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  • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
    I think you have some doubt that oil going into the foam is blocking air-passage . No ? Well that is not the case here . When correctly oiled (and then squeezed), the oil is dispersed in form of tiny droplets stuck to the internal fibers of the open-cell type foam used here . Some air passage restriction is un-avoidable (as with any other such filter) .. but it should be very less , and the engine is designed to operate with this tiny restriction without any problems . Totally unrestricted air-intake for the engine = NO FILTER = totally unrestricted dirt also . Oiled-foam filters have the best balance of filtration , dirt-capacity and good flow
    Pinaki jee You conjured what i always doubted..My method is little diffrent..To enusre that oil is spread evenly i dip two filters in mug filled with 2t oil..squeeze out excess oil by wearing latex gloves..after that i roll it in some news paper to remove excess,,wait for a day and refit..
    The srvc manger of yamaha suggested me another method.take some soil in hand say about 10ml and smear the filter by rubbing them in b/w hands to avoid excess oiling....

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    • Originally posted by paul.1911 View Post
      If your compression is good then there is nothing to worry
      regarding your stalling engine....you should clean your carburetor using carb-cleaner frequently, every thing, and adjust AFR & ideal screw when engine is warm. Also check the valve clearance if not done

      I changed to Gulf 4T Plus 20w40 900ml recently got for Rs.230 & a 10rs coupon inside. Shopkeeper already charged me 10rs more.

      It will even last for 5000 kms. The shopkeeper itself uses Gulf, when mechanic checked after 5000 kms he told him it can still run "No need to change" he told.
      But i'd not recommend u to drain after 5000 its upon u. Gulf really last more than other oils. As per manual recommendations u can drive 4T Plus oils to up to 4000 kms.
      The engine stalling is now solved after oil change , so i think i leave the carburetor as it is .

      Will check the oil after some 100 kms if level is dropped then will topup it .

      Originally posted by Pinaki View Post

      You should also immerse a set of new clutch plates in fresh new engine oil overnight before you fit it . Atleast I've been doing that since my RX100, whensoever I do clutch change . But I don't think any damage done by a few seconds of run , there should be some residual oil still present in bearing recess and rings-landings . ( Sibun'Jee? ) .
      Since almost all the oil is drained during clutch work by opening the engine case, some of the oil is kinda "taken-up" soon after the fill and the level may decrease drastically . Always check oil level again after few days of new fill .
      Whenever case is opened for parts-change or clutch-work , change the oil early that first time around . Debris is shed by new bearings, parts and clutch-plates .
      This is a new label I am seeing for this 10w30 gulf . It's a very good oil for 2000kms .. from my personal experience with it . Remember that 10w30 oil will need frequent level checks & top-ups . Congrats for an well maintained engine .

      Never use mineral oil beyond 2500kms max in our conditions (Indian plains) , I don't even trust semi-synthetic beyond 2000 kilos . Or four months , if that comes earlier . Our small engines love quick oil changes .
      Yes that is what i have done " Quick oil change " around every 1500 kms resulted in internal parts of engine as brand new .

      Don't know that it is good to let the clutch plates in new oil overnight before using , maybe next time will do the same but hoping next time won't come early as this is after 10 years i changed clutch plates .

      Will check this oil frequently for top-up , change .

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      • Today i gone to the main Auto Market to search for a Cyclo carb cleaner and i got very disappointed when i searched in all shops and haven't got
        When i was asking for carb cleaner, many shopkeeper thought i'm asking for car cleaner ...then i spell individually its c-a-r-b carb cleaner, & the reply was NO from every one except one told me i was having but not now "supply nahi hai" he said . This makes me mad, still i keep on searching and went to one Car accessories shop, it was looking like i'll get here. I went & ask for carb cleaner by cyclo, he thought car shampoo i said its not car shampoo its carb cleaner c-a-r-b cleaner, its used to clean carbon from carburetor, spark plug, engine valves. He thought engine flush i said its not engine flush, engine flush is a different thing, i need a carbon cleanerrrrrrrr........again he irritated me, thought i'm asking for carburetor cleaner its a spray one, i said. He showed me one lubrication spray which was completely different thing. Then and there i understood he doesn't know what i'm asking for, in fact he dont know what is carb cleaner.
        When i said this is not i'm asking for, he said u r self confused, i'm in this line from many years and there is nothing like that, u dont know yourself what you want, i said i know what i want, you are not able to understand me. "Mechanic ko leke aaiye" he said two three times, also one customer standing there told me the same. I become so so angry on him that i wish if i could fracture his head throwing wall brick i'm not confused i said. i'll show the pic to that f***ing bullshit!!
        and i'll let him feel he dont know what it is.

        @ Pinaki ji
        I went to the HH SC for compression test. My mechanic told "wo meter se hota hai and we don't have it" what the hell...
        Last edited by paul.1911; 07-25-2012, 07:20 PM.
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        • Originally posted by Above_All View Post
          The engine stalling is now solved after oil change , so i think i leave the carburetor as it is .

          Will check the oil after some 100 kms if level is dropped then will topup it .



          Yes that is what i have done " Quick oil change " around every 1500 kms resulted in internal parts of engine as brand new .

          Don't know that it is good to let the clutch plates in new oil overnight before using , maybe next time will do the same but hoping next time won't come early as this is after 10 years i changed clutch plates .

          Will check this oil frequently for top-up , change .
          I changed the plates few weeks ago and I did not soak it in engine oil.
          No problem whatsoever but just remember that plates soak oil and swell up little and you "may" face clutch judder for few days, that's it.
          I got Makino clutch plates "Pre-soaked" for Rs.120 only.
          Its a good idea to change it every time the clutch cover is opened to clean the centrifugal oil filter because it damn cheap.
          Clutch cover packing costs Rs.30,steel Pressure plates cost Rs.75,springs Rs.30/-


          Originally posted by Gansan View Post
          Can' the same result be achieved by re-filling engine oil after reassembling the engine, and leaving it overnight before starting?
          That way only the lower part of the clutch plates will get soaked in oil bath and the remaining part of plates will not soak and that will result in
          un-equal swelling up of clutch plates.
          Last edited by shoeb2015; 07-25-2012, 06:19 PM.

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          • Had first accident with this bike today . Was riding along at leisurely 20kmph in traffic congested narrow road , and was passing a petrol-pump . Suddenly a Fiat Linea(I think) drove out of the petrol-pump in great hurry after filling and was about to hit me full on sideways . I saw him two meters to my right and instinctively leaped out of the bike to left and let the bike fall to left too . He had by then slammed his brakes hard , but could not avoid the collision . He hit the falling bike to my right and pushed it along side ways , before he stopped and the bike fell . When I got up from ground police had already got him and then they booked him too . I am ok , not a scratch .
            Problem is with the bike . It has a very scratched up leg guard now . no bends . When I was able to look at it , petrol was streaming out of the carb overflow tube fasst and I was seeing the checkered pattern at the bottom of the engine-block for the first time ever . Closed the tap . No broken parts , no scratches or dents .. infact no visible damage at all . Lucky that this car has kinda flexible plastic bumper at front . Policemen brought it back upright , put to neutral and tried to start it .. didn't start . Then I noticed clutch lever on handle left side is bend and is straining clutch cable . I bend it back into position with both hands , no breaks . clutch cable is no longer strained, lever closing completely now . Now it started up alrighty and I rode on to office in hurry , shaken but intact . It had rained today , so the bike also got soaked afterwards . While coming back from office the engine is not holding to idle and is stalling . Repeatedly . Engine shut down at every signal and minor slowdowns in traffic .
            What to do now ?
            I'm just too mad at that driver .
            On the plus side, now I know what this tube is for .... It drains the carb bowl in case of a severe tilt like this one . Pretty faltu idea , I think .. because if the fuel tap is on too , which is most likely in case of an accidental spill ... it'll drain the tank . I think I lost a liter .

            Last edited by Pinaki; 07-25-2012, 11:01 PM.

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            • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
              Had first accident with this bike today . Was riding along at leisurely 20kmph in traffic congested narrow road , and was passing a petrol-pump . Suddenly a Fiat Linea(I think) drove out of the petrol-pump in great hurry after filling and was about to hit me full on sideways . I saw him two meters to my right and instinctively leaped out of the bike to left and let the bike fall to left too . He had by then slammed his brakes hard , but could not avoid the collision . He hit the falling bike to my right and pushed it along side ways , before he stopped and the bike fell . When I got up from ground police had already got him and then they booked him too . I am ok , not a scratch .
              Problem is with the bike . It has a very scratched up leg guard now . no bends . When I was able to look at it , petrol was streaming out of the carb overflow tube fasst and I was seeing the checkered pattern at the bottom of the engine-block for the first time ever . Closed the tap . No broken parts , no scratches or dents .. infact no visible damage at all . Lucky that this car has kinda flexible plastic bumper at front . Policemen brought it back upright , put to neutral and tried to start it .. didn't start . Then I noticed clutch lever on handle left side is bend and is straining clutch cable . I bend it back into position with both hands , no breaks . clutch cable is no longer strained, lever closing completely now . Now it started up alrighty and I rode on to office in hurry , shaken but intact . It had rained today , so the bike also got soaked afterwards . While coming back from office the engine is not holding to idle and is stalling . Repeatedly . Engine shut down at every signal and minor slowdowns in traffic .
              What to do now ?
              Oh that was not good....thanks god that you are safe. Bike can be recover anytime. A person should be safe, thats the main thing.
              Take care!
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              • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                Had first accident with this bike today . Was riding along at leisurely 20kmph in traffic congested narrow road , and was passing a petrol-pump . Suddenly a Fiat Linea(I think) drove out of the petrol-pump in great hurry after filling and was about to hit me full on sideways . I saw him two meters to my right and instinctively leaped out of the bike to left and let the bike fall to left too . He had by then slammed his brakes hard , but could not avoid the collision . He hit the falling bike to my right and pushed it along side ways , before he stopped and the bike fell . When I got up from ground police had already got him and then they booked him too . I am ok , not a scratch .
                Problem is with the bike . It has a very scratched up leg guard now . no bends . When I was able to look at it , petrol was streaming out of the carb overflow tube fasst and I was seeing the checkered pattern at the bottom of the engine-block for the first time ever . Closed the tap . No broken parts , no scratches or dents .. infact no visible damage at all . Lucky that this car has kinda flexible plastic bumper at front . Policemen brought it back upright , put to neutral and tried to start it .. didn't start . Then I noticed clutch lever on handle left side is bend and is straining clutch cable . I bend it back into position with both hands , no breaks . clutch cable is no longer strained, lever closing completely now . Now it started up alrighty and I rode on to office in hurry , shaken but intact . It had rained today , so the bike also got soaked afterwards . While coming back from office the engine is not holding to idle and is stalling . Repeatedly . Engine shut down at every signal and minor slowdowns in traffic .
                What to do now ?
                I'm just too mad at that driver .
                On the plus side, now I know what this tube is for .... It drains the carb bowl in case of a severe tilt like this one . Pretty faltu idea , I think .. because if the fuel tap is on too , which is most likely in case of an accidental spill ... it'll drain the tank . I think I lost a liter .
                Thank god nothing serious happened,what you did is just because of experience from riding for many years.
                I bet a beginner would have panicked and would have rammed into the car that to at high speed.
                Vehicles here in Hyderabad come out of pumps suddenly and one has to be more alert near the exit of pump,there are many cases where some bikers fill petrol and zoom off without paying and get involved in accident.

                The leg guard and tank is just superb in splendor,it serves its purpose very well.Crash guard will have some marks but will not be easily visible.
                Left foot peg is not easily replaceable unlike right foot peg but any local mech can fix it.
                Replace the clutch lever,it costs Rs.40/-.

                Is the bike idling correctly in neutral ?

                I had mentioned about that the tube's function somewhere earlier.
                I close the fuel tap after parking the bike so that incase the bike falls tank will not get empty
                Sometimes it will leak petrol while scrapping foot pegs on sharp turns.
                Take Care,Drive safe.
                Last edited by shoeb2015; 07-26-2012, 12:47 AM.

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                • Yes , a full on collide would have really hurt - hitting a vehicle sideways , along the wheel axis, in low gear, is the best way to destroy it . They train drivers of VIP cars to do that , to avoid terrorist vehicles that may come in the way to stop you .
                  That guy braking hard and having softer fender, despite the petrol-pump exit having a downward slope , me traveling slow , also having flipped gear pedal to activate engine braking myself ... and the last second decision to let go the bike and leap , saved my right leg ... exactly where his fender made contact . I am always ready for this , forget the bike the moment you sense imminent contact or loss of control, have done this several times ... let the bike continue in it's own momentum and take the impact , you just try to fall/leap/slide off the seat sideways+backwards by lifting a leg, bikes aren't that costly .When it did contact , it was like a mild push , and his fender gave-in a bit too .. then in half a meter max everything came to stand still . Moreover I had left the bike falling sideways to left , so that it was already falling left when he hit from right . All this contributed to a scratch free day for me at least , I think . Pity is, The ACP(traffic)'s office is like 20 meters from the spot .. so naturally the guy got caught n booked .... else I could've just yanked his right RVM off for even .. sigh !
                  It could be just that bending and fixing-back the clutch lever had put the clutch out-of-adjustment causing the stalling . Actually the lever is fine , the mounting bracket that fixes it to the handle got bend or out-of-line ... But ,Yes , it is also stalling in neutral.. checked that . So something else .... maybe some water got into CDI or somewhere electrical or plug cable loose etc, the roads are all wet-puddles . Can check throughly in daylight only .
                  You are right , the left side footrest (one at front for the gear-lever) was half folded , when I picked her up .. but it just clicked back to normal position on spring-action as soon as I got the bike up , it's spring-loaded to fold like that no ? no damage . Infact I am amazed at the bike's ability to take the fall ... no bends or breaks even on leg-gurad(those usually bends on fall, even the best ones like Omesh), no scratches on any paint , few minor scratches on the guards and handle end only .. handle did not spin(this also usually happens) .
                  Last edited by Pinaki; 07-26-2012, 01:36 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by harish_gkumar View Post
                    Pinaki jee You conjured what i always doubted..My method is little diffrent..To enusre that oil is spread evenly i dip two filters in mug filled with 2t oil..squeeze out excess oil by wearing latex gloves..after that i roll it in some news paper to remove excess,,wait for a day and refit..
                    The srvc manger of yamaha suggested me another method.take some soil in hand say about 10ml and smear the filter by rubbing them in b/w hands to avoid excess oiling....
                    If you don't mind getting your hands oily, what is stopping you from holding the filter-element in left hand while you hold the oil-bottle in your right and pour forth directly onto it .. ?? Then squash it around in your hand and spread well n squeeze it hard .
                    That service-manager is an id1ot . It is because of such guys that I have had to replace air-filter foam every year or less on my RXs .

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                    • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                      Had first accident with this bike today . Was riding along at leisurely 20kmph in traffic congested narrow road , and was passing a petrol-pump . Suddenly a Fiat Linea(I think) drove out of the petrol-pump in great hurry after filling and was about to hit me full on sideways . I saw him two meters to my right and instinctively leaped out of the bike to left and let the bike fall to left too . He had by then slammed his brakes hard , but could not avoid the collision . He hit the falling bike to my right and pushed it along side ways , before he stopped and the bike fell . When I got up from ground police had already got him and then they booked him too . I am ok , not a scratch .
                      Problem is with the bike . It has a very scratched up leg guard now . no bends . When I was able to look at it , petrol was streaming out of the carb overflow tube fasst and I was seeing the checkered pattern at the bottom of the engine-block for the first time ever . Closed the tap . No broken parts , no scratches or dents .. infact no visible damage at all . Lucky that this car has kinda flexible plastic bumper at front . Policemen brought it back upright , put to neutral and tried to start it .. didn't start . Then I noticed clutch lever on handle left side is bend and is straining clutch cable . I bend it back into position with both hands , no breaks . clutch cable is no longer strained, lever closing completely now . Now it started up alrighty and I rode on to office in hurry , shaken but intact . It had rained today , so the bike also got soaked afterwards . While coming back from office the engine is not holding to idle and is stalling . Repeatedly . Engine shut down at every signal and minor slowdowns in traffic .
                      What to do now ?
                      pinaki ji, sad to know you met with an accident.you did the right thing by leaping out...after all their is saying "seer salamat to pagdi pachas". you should try to recover cost from that driver for the damage.i think the clutch is getting slip because of increased or decreased free play..normally 10-20mm. see if you can adjust the clutch. When i had an accident on my Twister i did a similar thing like you did....just leaped out of my bike and saved myself as the bike was falling on to my right side at 30km/hr speed. luckily the crash guard took the beating along with the foot rest which got bent and a miner paint scratch on silencer.
                      Last edited by sachin1111; 07-26-2012, 04:16 AM.

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                      • Pinaki Jii what a presence of mind and a great escape from getting your legs crushed and broken ....Thank GOD for it..
                        The tube on the side of carb is actually a vent for float bowl pressure ....When the throttle is opened there is vacuum in the carb's venturi and on the top portion of the Emulsion tube..This sucks up the Petrol from the float bowl in to the venturi, and gets into the engine. this also creates a mild vacuum in the float bowl,due to displacement of Petrol,and this will reduce the petrol delivered subsequently,unless it is negated...to do this the float bowl is exposed to atmosphere pressure which aids in better delivery of petrol through the Emulsion tube.
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                        • I'm getting oil in the spark plug thread what to do with that?

                          My ASC mechanic told me it is due to ring damage. But my block piston change was done 15000 kms before. Ring should not be damage too early

                          Firstly, mistakenly i've installed off market timing chain roller & MK clutch plates, and ran about 9000kms. After that due to change in sound of timing change, i changed to original chain, roller, clutch plates and also head cleaning done by mechanic.
                          Secondly, it was running with no valve clearance before, i've checked and cleared just few days before.

                          Now i think that off market timing chain & no clearance may have effect my engine a lot but the compression is good now, ASC mechanic have checked too.

                          Still i'm wondering what makes the oil comes to the spark plug thread washer??
                          May the oil passing o-ring or timing chain rectangular gasket damage?
                          Last edited by paul.1911; 07-26-2012, 01:25 PM.
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                          • Originally posted by paul.1911 View Post
                            I'm getting oil in the spark plug thread what to do with that?

                            My ASC mechanic told me it is due to ring damage. But my block piston change was done 15000 kms before. Ring should not be damage too early plates, and ran about 9000kms. After that due to change in sound of timing change, i changed to original chain, roller, clutch plates and also head cleaning done by mechanic.
                            Secondly, it was running with no valve clearance before, i've checked and cleared just few days before.
                            from what you have posted it looks like the Valve stem oil seals have gone bad,and needs replacement.
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                            • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                              Had first accident with this bike today...I think I lost a liter
                              Glad to hear there was nothing major, indeed a good news.
                              Don't know what's happening, everyone is facing one or another & this is 3rd news to me in last one month!!!
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                              • Originally posted by psr View Post
                                from what you have posted it looks like the Valve stem oil seals have gone bad,and needs replacement.
                                Thanks psr ji
                                I haven't opened the head, i want to do myself
                                so if u just tell me what other replacements may be required, coz i want to have every replaceable part with me before opening the head.
                                Does polishing is also required?
                                I doubt if oil is coming to the combustion camber then it may have created a layer of carbon in the valve set.
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