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  • Originally posted by n_aditya View Post
    Got the 4th service completed over the weekend. The odo reads 24,800 odd kms in exactly 2.5 yrs.

    There was a bit of squeak that was bogging me for a few weeks so got that checked out. Turned out that the timing chain tensioner needed adjustment. Got the adjustment done along with the vacuum synchronization. Vacuum sync is done to maintain uniformity in the fuel being sprayed by the injectors and also ensures both cylinders are firing correctly. The readings were slightly off and in no way compromising performance of the bike.

    After the vacuum sync, i was requested to replace the roll over sensor damper (more on this here (A green Ninja 250R it definitely is!)) as there were complaints from other owners about their bikes engine shutting off at a particular RPM. To replace this unit, the fuel tank is removed and the damper is replaced. Took around 10 mins for the replacement since the fairings and tank were already off the bike for the 4th service activities.

    In addition to the above, engine oil was replaced with Motul 7100 (fully synth, 4T, single ester, 20W50), rear brake pads were replaced, both front and rear brakes cleaned and serviced, battery checked and found healthy, brakes bled and fluid topped up with DOT4 brake fluid (Motul), clutch cable lubricated, chain adjusted and spark plugs cleaned and checked if replacement was required.

    The spark plugs were good so they were not replaced. Air filter was cleaned and plonked back in. Coolant was within the required level so no top-up was needed. I however used the 3M engine flush (Rs. 130/-) which was recommended for smoother engine performance and to remove any unwanted deposits. The 50ml solution was poured into the engine and the engine was set to idle for 20 mins with occasional revvs to ensure proper circulation. After this the oil was drained out and replaced with a fresh oil filter and oil.


    Total service cost me Rs. 4200/- excluding cost of oil (2 liters of oil cost me Rs. 1400/-) inclusive of Rs. 2000/- for labor.

    Edit - I would recommend fellow owners to get their clutch cables cleaned and lubed as often as possible. A cleaning agent from a pressurized can was sprayed into the cable till all the gunk (i was horrified to see so much black muck) flowed out from inside the cable. I dont remember the spray but it was a clean+lube.
    Aditya, where did you get this service done? At probiking itself? I've not had a very pleasant experience with them in mumbai, but happy to go with them here in blore if thats your recommendation.

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    • Originally posted by n_aditya View Post
      Edit - I would recommend fellow owners to get their clutch cables cleaned and lubed as often as possible. A cleaning agent from a pressurized can was sprayed into the cable till all the gunk (i was horrified to see so much black muck) flowed out from inside the cable. I dont remember the spray but it was a clean+lube.
      Alternatively use a clutch yoke cover from an R15. All Indian motorcycles have it for good reason.

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      • Does anyone know what OS, Dynojet's power commander software supports? All their demos show Windows Xp and nowadays when one goes to buy a laptop we usually get Windows 7 / 8 bundled as the OS.

        Edit:
        The dynojet guys said it does work. Gonna buy a net book instead of a lap top though! Works fine on that as well and is superb for portability!
        Last edited by jeofpereira; 12-30-2012, 03:37 AM. Reason: Update!

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        • Pathetic Service Support for Ninja 250R by Bajaj!!

          Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
          Even my Ninja is having the same issue.

          Ride over 120km/hr and the engine just shuts down itself. Upon further inspection, i found out that even on neutral while revving the bike over 10k rpm, the engine shuts down. I havent yet reported it at svc. The sensor is probably the Lean angle/roll over sensor which might be giving wrong signal to the ECU which eventually cuts down the fuel supply.

          Seems like particular batch is having the issue.

          Any other thoughts?
          Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
          The technician came and inspected the bike. As i was expecting the roll-over sensor to be the culprit, to my surprise it was found out that both the spark plugs were not getting proper power which resulting in cutting off the power.

          Now i wonder how could this be possible on a bike which did only 800kms on-board(the first instance when the said problem was noticed). Right now my ODO reads 3600kms. Upon contacting the dealer to my dismay i came to know that i have to bear the charges for the replacement of the spark plugs. Is this for real? I mean, i know spark plug is considered as a consummable but still is it designed to fail in the bike so early and ultimately the customer has to pay for it time and again?

          Same thing goes for the Brake pads. As per the technician, the front pads are gone and wont last more than 500-600kms. Pathetic to say the least, is the life of the said "world class" product is only 4000kms? And this when i was not able to rip the bike, now when the bike is running Ok and hitting 14k rpm i expect the brake pads not to last more than 2000 kms. To put things in perspective, my RTR needs pad replacement every 15-16k kms and offers 80% of the braking feel of the Ninja.

          These are the questions which have left me in a tizzy. Why did i pay more for a bike like the Ninja, only to be ripped right across and center by Kawasaki/Bajaj ? Even the silencer is showing signs of rusting.








          If someone from Kawasaki/Bajaj is reading this, please consider these issues as critical as premature brake wear and engine shut down issue has cropped in bikes manufactured during last 6 months which is a case to ponder.
          Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
          Ninja is back again showing its stalling issue.

          Now its virtually impossible to ride, the bike stalls down randomly at any rpm/any gear. Escaped couple of lethal situations while overtaking. Have stopped riding the bike!!

          Will be taking the bike for servicing/check up this Monday. God knows what's the issue. The spark plugs were changed during the first instance at around 3000kms and now at exactly 6000kms the same problem has cropped but this time with worse symptoms. With pillion it goes max 100 metres and then it stutters and stalls!!

          Any pointers?

          Now Enough is Enough!!

          I have had enough of riding this mockery on 2 wheels. From past 5 months i am suffering with this stalling issue.

          As per the above quotes, things were resolved and similar problem with different symptoms have arised and despite of reporting it to the Senior Manager-Service of Bajaj things are not getting resolved.

          My bike has become a mere guinea pig for Bajaj in trying their diagnosis. First the damper kit was replaced and now despite the sensor replacement the same issue persists and now they are clueless of how to go in from here. To my utter surprise and disgust the Regional manager-Service is asking to try out the spark plugs of some other ninja (owner) in city for diagnostic purpose. I mean WTH, how can i allow a used bikes' spark plug(which is supposedly a vital internal component)to be tried out on my bike. I mean is this the way a premium offering from Bajaj is being serviced by Bajaj's so-called Probiking setups?

          My situation is nothing different from a regular Platina owner who takes circles around the outlet just to get his bike rectified. I mean, 3.5 lakhs is no joke and after spending so much of my hard earned money on a bike like this,is this the customer support being offered by Bajaj by its Probiking outlet to its premium customers.

          And inspite of riding long emails describing the symptoms and the rusting issue, no one is even bothered to act upon it.

          This is simply heights. Definitely not being expected from a Kawasaki Product.

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          • Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post

            Now Enough is Enough!!

            I have had enough of riding this mockery on 2 wheels. From past 5 months i am suffering with this stalling issue.

            As per the above quotes, things were resolved and similar problem with different symptoms have arised and despite of reporting it to the Senior Manager-Service of Bajaj things are not getting resolved.

            My bike has become a mere guinea pig for Bajaj in trying their diagnosis. First the damper kit was replaced and now despite the sensor replacement the same issue persists and now they are clueless of how to go in from here. To my utter surprise and disgust the Regional manager-Service is asking to try out the spark plugs of some other ninja (owner) in city for diagnostic purpose. I mean WTH, how can i allow a used bikes' spark plug(which is supposedly a vital internal component)to be tried out on my bike. I mean is this the way a premium offering from Bajaj is being serviced by Bajaj's so-called Probiking setups?

            My situation is nothing different from a regular Platina owner who takes circles around the outlet just to get his bike rectified. I mean, 3.5 lakhs is no joke and after spending so much of my hard earned money on a bike like this,is this the customer support being offered by Bajaj by its Probiking outlet to its premium customers.

            And inspite of riding long emails describing the symptoms and the rusting issue, no one is even bothered to act upon it.

            This is simply heights. Definitely not being expected from a Kawasaki Product.
            I am just a random visitor in this thread, and now, feel sorry reading ur case.. I can understand ur frustration, with the pathetic service provided, against the premium price charged.
            My suggestion wud be to threaten the Bajaj guys abt going to Consumer FORUMN. Also, u can try exchanging e-mails directly to Kawasaki, complaining abt the pathetic service, and the cheap consumables, and stuffs..
            All the Best!!
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            • Originally posted by Shibadip View Post
              I am just a random visitor in this thread, and now, feel sorry reading ur case.. I can understand ur frustration, with the pathetic service provided, against the premium price charged.
              My suggestion wud be to threaten the Bajaj guys abt going to Consumer FORUMN. Also, u can try exchanging e-mails directly to Kawasaki, complaining abt the pathetic service, and the cheap consumables, and stuffs..
              All the Best!!
              No response yet(since yesterday's event) from any of Bajaj's representatives speaks volumes about the inefficiency of their service support inspite of my direct mails to the Senior Manager. I highly doubt the existence of any communication along the hierarchy of Service Division in Bajaj.

              Can anyone PM me the mail id of Kawasaki or any other responsible person of Bajaj?

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              • Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
                No response yet(since yesterday's event) from any of Bajaj's representatives speaks volumes about the inefficiency of their service support inspite of my direct mails to the Senior Manager. I highly doubt the existence of any communication along the hierarchy of Service Division in Bajaj.

                Can anyone PM me the mail id of Kawasaki or any other responsible person of Bajaj?


                My Friend,

                First of all, let me assure you that I have nothing to do with PBK or Kawasaki!

                That said, I must say that as a 250 and 650 owner, I have experienced nothing but the very best ownership experience with both.

                Reading your comments, I cannot but observe that your comparison between the brake pads of the RTR and 250r is not logical. The N250r weighs a lot more, is much faster and therefore will require more braking force than the RTR. The Ninja is also completely front biased which means the entire stopping power is from the front brake, so wear is obviously going to be more than on the RTR. I myself used to run through front brake pads at about 5k Kms. Another reason amongst new owners is the thrill of quick acceleration followed by amazing braking - naturally leading to faster wear.

                Regarding the spark plugs, the most common reason for failed spark plugs in India is poor fuel quality. Since your bike has already changed spark plugs earlier, the RM was obviously trying to see if the issue was the plugs again, and the easiest way to do that would be to swap the plugs off another bike to see if that was the problem. If the bike runs well with a properly running bikes plugs, then it means your plugs are the problem and the most likely culprit is your regular fuel station! If that be the case, you can hardly blame Kawasaki for that.

                I definitely agree though that your local PBK and RM should be more transparent and elucidate their diagnostic thought process. My suggestion is that instead of losing it ( though your mental agony is completely understandable ), try to assist the RM with finding a solution. In my humble opinion, the N250r is still the best engineered and built bike sold in India and remember, it could not be the best selling 250 in the world for 20 years by being a dud.

                Unfortunately your bike does have a gremlin and being new, your frustration and anger are totally justified but please keep your cool and focus on solving the problem! I don't know if it can help but if you want, I can give you the number of the RM South, who is very helpful and knowledgeable.

                Wishing and hoping you find a solution soon!

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                • Originally posted by Sunnyside_up! View Post
                  My Friend,

                  First of all, let me assure you that I have nothing to do with PBK or Kawasaki!

                  That said, I must say that as a 250 and 650 owner, I have experienced nothing but the very best ownership experience with both.

                  Reading your comments, I cannot but observe that your comparison between the brake pads of the RTR and 250r is not logical. The N250r weighs a lot more, is much faster and therefore will require more braking force than the RTR. The Ninja is also completely front biased which means the entire stopping power is from the front brake, so wear is obviously going to be more than on the RTR. I myself used to run through front brake pads at about 5k Kms. Another reason amongst new owners is the thrill of quick acceleration followed by amazing braking - naturally leading to faster wear.

                  Regarding the spark plugs, the most common reason for failed spark plugs in India is poor fuel quality. Since your bike has already changed spark plugs earlier, the RM was obviously trying to see if the issue was the plugs again, and the easiest way to do that would be to swap the plugs off another bike to see if that was the problem. If the bike runs well with a properly running bikes plugs, then it means your plugs are the problem and the most likely culprit is your regular fuel station! If that be the case, you can hardly blame Kawasaki for that.

                  I definitely agree though that your local PBK and RM should be more transparent and elucidate their diagnostic thought process. My suggestion is that instead of losing it ( though your mental agony is completely understandable ), try to assist the RM with finding a solution. In my humble opinion, the N250r is still the best engineered and built bike sold in India and remember, it could not be the best selling 250 in the world for 20 years by being a dud.

                  Unfortunately your bike does have a gremlin and being new, your frustration and anger are totally justified but please keep your cool and focus on solving the problem! I don't know if it can help but if you want, I can give you the number of the RM South, who is very helpful and knowledgeable.

                  Wishing and hoping you find a solution soon!
                  Hi, thanks for your reply and I do agree to what you have said.

                  And yes the comparison with the RTR brakes is also not logical but you should understand that as my bike was shutting down @ 100km/hr for the first 3000 kms, so the bike was hardly ripped. and with that kind of usage if the brake pad life is so low then it's really outrageous. Rear brake pad has still have life left in it.

                  Bad fuel quality is out of question as I regularly change the petrol bunks and none of the ninja 250/650 owners have faced any fuel quality issues here.

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                  • I remember once someone(Can't recall the forum member) tried the PCV and Auto tune-200 on the Ninja 250.
                    Did you have to weld a bung in to install the Auto tune on the exhaust or were you able to just remove the stock O2 sensor and use the same bung. If you welded a new bung is it possible for you to put up snaps. I need to install this for my bike and need an idea of how or rather where to do so. Will also be installing the LCD-200.
                    Thank you in advance for the assistance.

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                    • Hi guys, my 1st post here (on this thread).

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                      • My Ninja for sale

                        Hey guys, my Ninja 250R is finally up for sale

                        I have already added a classified ad on Team-BHP, but I am unable to add it on xbhp.

                        for sale in - Team-BHP Classifieds

                        Well Maintained Kawasaki Ninja 250R 2010 for sale - Pune - Motorcycles - Scooters

                        Please spread the word. Thanks.
                        Last edited by Hyperion; 12-30-2012, 02:11 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by Hyperion View Post
                          Hey guys, my Ninja 250R is finally up for sale

                          I have already added a classified ad on Team-BHP, but I am unable to add it on xbhp.

                          for sale in - Team-BHP Classifieds

                          Please spread the word. Thanks.
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                          • Originally posted by ROCKRZ View Post
                            Listing with specified ID is not active
                            Its pending moderator approval there. Thanks for pointing out. Post updated with OLX link.

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                            • Originally posted by Hyperion View Post
                              Its pending moderator approval there. Thanks for pointing out. Post updated with OLX link.
                              can i request you as a long timer in this thread what can be the reason for sale of your 250 ? and also are you going in for a bigger bike ?
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                              • Originally posted by harikeshpk View Post
                                can i request you as a long timer in this thread what can be the reason for sale of your 250 ? and also are you going in for a bigger bike ?
                                Surely. Yes, I too am planning for a bigger bike and want to save money. That is the reason for sale. I have had a wonderful ownership experience otherwise.

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