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**psr** · 12-02-2013, 01:39 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by sounakray View Post

Thank you, PSR sir, for the very detailed reply!
(BTW, I'm rather new here, and have no idea why everyone calls you "sir", but I've seen that folks here have a great respect for you, so I'll address you the same too

)
I'm continuing with the same breaking in process, and will until the first servicing. Removed the cardboard already.
However, what I'm a bit confused about is the oil change process.
Just as you have recommended, I also was thinking of getting the first oil changed in 250-300 km to clear the initial debris, but here are some (potentially dumb) questions:

Are you saying that I should take the bike for 1st servicing at 250-300 km and change the oil to the standard Hero one, and then after 250 km from that (around 500-550 km on odo) switch to Shell AX7? Please clarify
I'm advised by some other member here to switch to Shell only after 5-6k, and that it can damage the engine if I start using it too early before the breaking in process is completed. So, I'm a bit confused about these two contradictory advises. (I don't intend to start a debate here - just want to know what's the best thing to do)
Can I ask the Hero SVC guys to put Shell instead of the Hero one if I provide them the oil?
Will using Shell AX7 void the warranty even if I use the recommended is 10w-30 grade?

Thanks in anticipation!

You don't have to mention Sir for me...I had requested a few members not to do so, but they do out of their own will...may be because I am old

1. Change oil after first 250 Kms to clean out the crap, and at that time change to Shell AX 7 .
2. Buy AX7 and carry it with you and insist on getting the oil changed to shell for better protection..stay near and get the oil changed...it does not void warranty.
3. Changing to AX7 at 250 Kms will do a world of Good to your engine, and the break in will give good results...In chennai we have used Shell Rimula R4 on a new 350 Kms old engine without warranty issues, and the bike is giving good FE and acceleration now at 6K Kms...AX7 has same good additives with less detergents as R4...

**antan_shank** · 12-02-2013, 01:39 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

For god sakes, NO! It has no center groove. All front tyres from MRF have names starting from F. FS, FQ, FY etc.

Okk then any other options for the front.. Though the change not immediate, just want to gain some knowledge...

**sounakray** · 12-02-2013, 06:26 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by psr View Post

You don't have to mention Sir for me...I had requested a few members not to do so, but they do out of their own will...may be because I am old

1. Change oil after first 250 Kms to clean out the crap, and at that time change to Shell AX 7 .
2. Buy AX7 and carry it with you and insist on getting the oil changed to shell for better protection..stay near and get the oil changed...it does not void warranty.
3. Changing to AX7 at 250 Kms will do a world of Good to your engine, and the break in will give good results...In chennai we have used Shell Rimula R4 on a new 350 Kms old engine without warranty issues, and the bike is giving good FE and acceleration now at 6K Kms...AX7 has same good additives with less detergents as R4...

Thanks once again, PSR sir, for your detailed reply! (yes, I decided to stick to the "sir" thing

)
I'll do as directed!

One quick question though....
As per the Shell India site, the only grade available in India for Shell AX7 is 10w-40, while the Hero recommendation for the ZMR is 10w-30.
Link: Shell Advance AX7 - India

Should that be a problem - both performance wise and warranty wise?
I did some quick reading on the way multi-grade oils are labelled, and it appears to me that using an oil with higher range is better since it'll retain it's viscosity across a larger temperature range. i.e. 10w-40 should be better than 10w-30. Is this understanding correct? Is there any technical downside to using a higher grade oil than the recommended?

This is probably obvious, but just wanted to confirm that if an oil meets JASO MA2 formulation, does it mean that it meets JASO MA as well ?

Update:
Just saw that Shell recommends the AX5 and the Ultra for Karizma as standard and premium oils respectively.
Link: The Shell global homepage - Shell Global
Is the above link specifically referring to the "Karizma R" (carburetted engine)?

I'm not doubting your (or anyone else's) recommendations here, and am sure you must have seen this yourself earlier already, but I'm really curious to know the rationale behind recommending AX7.

**Divya Sharan** · 12-02-2013, 07:27 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by sounakray View Post

As per the Shell India site, the only grade available in India for Shell AX7 is 10w-40, while the Hero recommendation for the ZMR is 10w-30.

Though we've discussed it to death earlier on this thread, let me summarize it for you:

Karizma engines (both versions) are technically the same since 2003 with very minor updates. From 2003 to 2008 odd, the recommended grade was 20w40 and later it was declared in favor of 10w30. Hence, we can use w40 grade oil without any concern.
If, it comforts you, let me tell you that I've been using Rimula R4 DIESEL engine oil 15w40 grade for 20k kms now and the engine is healthy.

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Now, let me thank @Shiv_beam, @AK3D bhaijaan and @psr sir for inducing sense in me for changing the front tire. Moreover, the skid yesterday was enough to give me a restless night's sleep. Though I suffered a loss of 2k since the dealer didn't budge, it got the stock front fit today.

MRF Zapper FS 80-100/18. I can tour peacefully in the next 15 days now.

Here is the pic of (new but discarded) Zapper Y with the new(er) Zapper FS.

**psr** · 12-02-2013, 10:18 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by sounakray View Post

Thanks once again, PSR sir, for your detailed reply! (yes, I decided to stick to the "sir" thing

)
I'll do as directed!

One quick question though....
As per the Shell India site, the only grade available in India for Shell AX7 is 10w-40, while the Hero recommendation for the ZMR is 10w-30.
Link: Shell Advance AX7 - India

Should that be a problem - both performance wise and warranty wise?
I did some quick reading on the way multi-grade oils are labelled, and it appears to me that using an oil with higher range is better since it'll retain it's viscosity across a larger temperature range. i.e. 10w-40 should be better than 10w-30. Is this understanding correct? Is there any technical downside to using a higher grade oil than the recommended?

This is probably obvious, but just wanted to confirm that if an oil meets JASO MA2 formulation, does it mean that it meets JASO MA as well ?

Update:
Just saw that Shell recommends the AX5 and the Ultra for Karizma as standard and premium oils respectively.
Link: The Shell global homepage - Shell Global
Is the above link specifically referring to the "Karizma R" (carburetted engine)?

I'm not doubting your (or anyone else's) recommendations here, and am sure you must have seen this yourself earlier already, but I'm really curious to know the rationale behind recommending AX7.

The Original Karizma came with 20w40 oil. The CRF 230 engine recommends the same...So a 10w40 is actually an improvement, while a 10w30 will lead to quicker oil demise and heating of engine....I had been using Shell Rimula R3x / R4 Diesel oil with good effect, since it contains higher level of ZDDP and detergents which keep the engine clean and less friction...

Here is the Original spec of HH Karizma....

Specifications

Engine

Service Data

Type	4-stroke, single cylinder, air-cooled
Valvetrain	2 valves, OHC
Displacement	223 cc
Bore x Stroke	65.5mm x 66.2mm
Comp Ratio	9.0:1
Carburettor	Keihin CV carb
Max Power	16.7bhp@7000rpm
Max Torque	18.35Nm@6000rpm
Power to Weight	111.73 bhp/ton
Ignition	Digital twin-map
Idle Speed	1500rpm
Air Filteration	Dry paper pleated type
Oil Filteration	Wire mesh
Lubrication	Forced
Oil Pump type	Gear pump
Fuel	Unleaded Petrol
Starting	Electric/Kick

First Inspection	500-750 km
Service Interval	2000km
Engine Oil Grade	SAE 20W 40
Engine Oil Capacity	1.2 litre
Oil Filter Change	4000 km
Oil Change interval	4000 km
Spark Plug	Champion PRA 7HC,NGK-DPR8EA-9-PRA7HC
Spark Plug gap	0.9mm
Cyl Compression	13.0kgf/cm2
Ignition timing	NA
Valve Clearances (cold)
Intake	0.1mm
Exhaust	0.1mm
Tyre Pressure
Front / Rear	25psi/28psi (solo)
Warranty	2 years or 30,000 kms

General Data

Transmission

Kerb Weight	150 kg
Gross Weight	280 kg
Max payload	130 kg
Wheelbase	1355 mm
Length	2125 mm
Width	755 mm
Height	1160 mm
Saddle Height	795 mm
Ground Clearance	150 mm
Fuel Tank Capacity	15 litres
Reserve	2 litres

Clutch	Wet multiplate
Primary Drive	Gear
Final Drive	Chain & sprocket
Primary reduction	3.0909
Final reduction	3.0769
Gearbox	5- speed constant mesh

Gear	Ratio	kmph/1000rpm
1st	2.769	4.44
2nd	1.722	7.14
3rd	1.263	9.74
4th	1.000	12.30
5th	0.815	15.09

Electricals

Chassis

Battery	12V 7AH
Alternator	188 W
Head lamp	35/35W
Tail lamp	5W
Stop lamp	21W
Turn signal lamp	21W
Fuse	20A Main

Type	Single downtube with engine as stressed member
Suspension
Front	Telescopic forks
Rear	Swingarm with twin adjustable hydraulic shock absorbers
Brakes
Front	276mm dia disc
Rear	130mm dia drum
Wheels and tyres
Rim (F/R)	1.85 x18/ 2.15 x 18Die-cast wheels
Tyre (F/R)	2.75x18"/ 100/90 x 18"

Instrumentation

Test Conditions

200kmph speedometer, tachometer, digital display for speed, rpm, fuel gauge and clock.

Terrain	All tarmac
Temperature	C
Distance	790 km

Performance

Acceleration

Braking

Time To Speed	Seconds
0-20kmph	1.48
0-30kmph	2.05
0-40kmph	2.77
0-50kmph	3.73
0-60kmph	4.70
0-70kmph	5.76
0-80kmph	7.34
0-90kmph	11.10
0-100kmph	14.05
0-110kmph	19.09
0-120kmph	33.56

Minimum Stopping Distance
From 80kmph	30.68m/2.70s
From 60kmph	21.75m/2.07s
Control	Very Good
Brake Feel	Excellent
Overall Brake Rating	Excellent

0-400m

18.83s @109.95 kmph

Roll - on

kmph	3rd	4th	5th
30-70	6.94s	7.54s	12.89s

Fuel Economy

Top Speed

IDC	NA*
Overall	40.66 kmpl
Best	54 kmpl
Worst	28 kmpl
City	40 kmpl
Range	610 km
*Manufacturer claimed at constant 40 kmph

Max Speed	125.6 Kmph*
Speedo read	140.0 kmph
*Top speed achieved in fifth gear using Racelogic VBOX \|\| system with DGPS

**AK3D** · 12-02-2013, 11:45 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Now, let me thank @Shiv_beam, @AK3D bhaijaan and @psr sir for inducing sense in me for changing the front tire. Moreover, the skid yesterday was enough to give me a restless night's sleep. Though I suffered a loss of 2k since the dealer didn't budge, it got the stock front fit today.

MRF Zapper FS 80-100/18. I can tour peacefully in the next 15 days now.

Here is the pic of (new but discarded) Zapper Y with the new(er) Zapper FS.

Nothing to thank, it was a big risk. I was surprised you bought a rear tyre for the front.
I suggest you write to (or call) the MRF local distributor asking them if they can advise on the tyre buyback since it's essentially unused. Someone in a managerial position will be more inclined to help rather than a dealer.

**rreneav1987** · 12-03-2013, 12:09 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Though we've discussed it to death earlier on this thread, let me summarize it for you:

Karizma engines (both versions) are technically the same since 2003 with very minor updates. From 2003 to 2008 odd, the recommended grade was 20w40 and later it was declared in favor of 10w30. Hence, we can use w40 grade oil without any concern.
If, it comforts you, let me tell you that I've been using Rimula R4 DIESEL engine oil 15w40 grade for 20k kms now and the engine is healthy.

---------------------

Now, let me thank @Shiv_beam, @AK3D bhaijaan and @psr sir for inducing sense in me for changing the front tire. Moreover, the skid yesterday was enough to give me a restless night's sleep. Though I suffered a loss of 2k since the dealer didn't budge, it got the stock front fit today.

MRF Zapper FS 80-100/18. I can tour peacefully in the next 15 days now.

Here is the pic of (new but discarded) Zapper Y with the new(er) Zapper FS.

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I am Back

by the way.. is this the tire that you were talking about?? the rear tire that you were using as front tire?? bro.. you took a bigger risk than I did..

I finally got the rear tire changed.. to Zapper Q 110/90-18.. wasn't sure if it is a Tubeless or Tube Type.. I am using it as a Tubeless at the moment and when I get a chance.. I will change it to Tube Type.. got the Tire and the tube for 2150/- in Delhi Karol Bagh..

Got the Oil Leaking issue fixed.. the Drain Bolt had a crack on it due to which the Oil was leaking. Topped up the Oil as well after changing the Drain Bolt.

Finally.. Got myself a new LS2 helmet

cost me 2700/- could have got it for a little cheaper price.. but damn..

Well.. another thing I did during these 10 days was.. got a chance to finally attend the Delhi G2G last Sunday.. had a wonderful time with [MENTION=13887]prateek2210[/MENTION]

got to meet [MENTION=38603]The Monk[/MENTION] as well.. it was a pleasure meeting the guys in person..

Got a chance to see some SBKs

While waiting for Prateek bhai early morning on Sunday 7:32 AM.. he was 2 minutes late

Some of the SBKs and some of the bikes

Got the xBhp sticker on the visor of my Black Pearl..

Looks wonderful and also got "El Shaddai" on the visor.. meaning "The Saviour"

and got the visor a 3D Vinyl Treatment..

Feels Good to be back

**ryan.virgo** · 12-03-2013, 12:57 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

I am Back

by the way..

Feels Good to be back

Welcome back, so many changes you have done during the ban period

**Rakesh Rok** · 12-03-2013, 01:15 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

I am Back

Welcome back, got some company now

. . .

Cheers!!!

**Divya Sharan** · 12-03-2013, 01:21 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

I am Back

Welcome back! Nice investments there.

Good to see you discard that Ninja and upgrade to LS2. Nice color too.

Regarding my tire experiment, all I can say is LOL. It took just one skid.

**Abhishek Nama** · 12-03-2013, 08:10 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Welcome back [MENTION=27501]rreneav1987[/MENTION] glad to have to you back.

hey guys!

I have done almost 250 kms, and as psr sirs suggestion to get the oil changed to Shell AX7 10W40 oil:

Q I plan to get it changed at 300kms, this is fine right?
Q. Should I get it changed at SVC or is it okay to get it done at a local mechanic?
Q. Although PSR sir has reassured, this change won't void the warranty right? (Just to confirm).

1. Change oil after first 250 Kms to clean out the crap, and at that time change to Shell AX 7 .2. Buy AX7 and carry it with you and insist on getting the oil changed to shell for better protection..stay near

and get the oil changed...it does not void warranty.
3. Changing to AX7 at 250 Kms will do a world of Good to your engine, and the break in will give good

results...In chennai we have used Shell Rimula R4 on a new 350 Kms old engine without warranty issues, and

the bike is giving good FE and acceleration now at 6K Kms...AX7 has same good additives with less

detergents as R4...

**Daniel16** · 12-04-2013, 12:28 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

I am new here.. Just now after reading many posts I had upgraded my bulb to philips xtreme bright, which works like a charm.. I have been reading posts from the 700+pages but I am confused on which oil to use and which tyre to buy.. Please suggest me

thanks in advance

**abhi7013** · 12-04-2013, 01:02 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Daniel16 View Post

I am new here.. Just now after reading many posts I had upgraded my bulb to philips xtreme bright, which works like a charm.. I have been reading posts from the 700+pages but I am confused on which oil to use and which tyre to buy.. Please suggest me

thanks in advance

Welcome! As you might have read, rimula has a lot of positive feedback as a best oil for karizma but if you are not interested in risking it, then there is the shell advance. Just look a few pages back and you will get to know of which oil in shell to use apart from rimula.
Regarding Tyre, again even this topic has been discussed loads of times and i guess pirelli is a good option as i feel it sticks to the road, the only down-side being that it is a soft compound. Other members have recently changed to mrf so lets wait for their review to come out.

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**snehithpereira** · 12-04-2013, 02:24 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Daniel16 View Post

I am new here.. Just now after reading many posts I had upgraded my bulb to philips xtreme bright, which works like a charm.. I have been reading posts from the 700+pages but I am confused on which oil to use and which tyre to buy.. Please suggest me

thanks in advance

Having used Rimula r3x/r4 for 22k odd kms and later(currently) shell advance ax7 for past 12k odd kms, I must admit I do find the ax7 to be much better, [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] sir has also explained the advantages of this oil over the others a few pages back.

With ax7 (semi-synth) I change the oil about every 2.5k kms now. Rimula being pure mineral change interval would be around 1.5k kms.

For tyres here is a simple formula:

Better grip, shorter life: Pirelli
Decent grip, longer life: stock MRF/ other TT by MRF.

**Divya Sharan** · 12-04-2013, 08:13 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post

Other members have recently changed to mrf so lets wait for their review to come out.

Originally posted by snehithpereira View Post

Better grip, shorter life: Pirelli
Decent grip, longer life: stock MRF/ other TT by MRF.

Request members to avoid PSD for now. Like Michelin's M45, PSDs have a huge demand and as a result there are a lot of fakes in the market. Even the 110 and 120 section tires look like 100 section ones.

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