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**kmk0311** · 05-24-2014, 07:41 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

The engine goes through numerous cycles of heating and cooling. The metal naturally expands and contracts making the bolt tight. If you use short-length spanner, it won't come easily. You need to use 17 bit with lengthy handle to turn it easily. One should have lot of experience and technique to remove it with just regular spanner.

Take it to a mechanic. He would break the cap with a screwdriver bit. The cap is built fragile for this purpose.

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I tried using the one which came with the bike's tool kit at first, its called the hex driver I think. It did fit perfectly to the drain bolt. Only next did I switch to the normal spanner. I didn't smoothen the drain bolt entirely though..

Should I use a 17mm socket wrench next time?

**ravi@17bhp** · 05-24-2014, 07:46 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by kmk0311 View Post

I tried using the one which came with the bike's tool kit at first, its called the hex driver i think. It fit perfectly to the drain bolt. Only next did I switch to the normal spanner. I didn't smoothen the drain bolt entirely though..

Should I use a 17mm socket wrench next time?

For now go to mechanic and get it replaced. Next time use a 1/2" 17 bit with long T handle.

**kmk0311** · 05-24-2014, 08:23 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by anilkumar9

Can you please post the tool kit T spanner photos ? How to remove the chain cover? how much mm to remove this?
Tell me the best brand tools to buy?

You could just google the photos of the tools, instead..
Taparia is a good brand to buy.

And for removing the ZMR's chain cover you'd require a 10mm T bar.

**kmk0311** · 05-25-2014, 04:01 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Expert help needed

@sibun, @psr, @shoeb2015, @Divya Sharan

one of our members, [MENTION=63816]chulubuly[/MENTION], required some help so he pm-ed me. I'm posting on his behalf.

"sir,my friend has a Glmour PGM FI which has already clocked 60k.now his bike misfires.so he had showed it to HH service center.they said that he needs to replace both fuel pump and injector which costs 27000 INR without warranty !

he had checked the injector manually and he says it injects the fuel but doesn't close the valve itself entirely.so it pours out the fuel every time.

he had also checked the pump.in which he noticed that the metal lid ( see the blue arrow ) near the regulator is corroded and has some holes.so the pressure fades away with the time.

so is this misfire problem prone to this Glamour PGM FI motorcycles

does it happen even in Karizma ZMR

coz most services say that it temps to misfire after hitting 20k on odo.please advice me to help him.thank you."

Thanks

**SparKot** · 05-25-2014, 04:40 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by kmk0311 View Post

...one of our members required some help so he pm-ed me. I'm posting on his behalf. ...

And you want to keep his/her identity to yourself?

**kmk0311** · 05-25-2014, 04:44 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

[MENTION=36366]SparKot[/MENTION] ooops sorry forgot to mention

it was [MENTION=63816]chulubuly[/MENTION] who needed help!

**muztariq** · 05-25-2014, 06:13 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by sibun View Post

Iftex system G, in have been using for nearly 5 years when the bottle was priced at Rs.200 and now at Rs.350 also i am using. Its benefits are so much that i cannot think of stopping to use. Using it in my Joy, CBZ, and pleasure.

Benefits in carburetter bikes are so much and in fuel injected bikes it will be more. Because i was using it in my car and the mileage was more and also Throttle response was better.

Even in my bikes the throttle response is very sharp almost feels like FI bikes. In order to experiment i had stopped using for two tank fills and some of the changes i noticed were:-

1. Bike throttle response became blunt or we can say that when i blipped the throttle rpm didn't climbed fast as when using additives.

2. My bike idles with even strokes and upon stopping using it idle would be little uneven.

3. Smoothness was reduced somewhat and also bike was feeling strained near red-line.

4. Bike sound was also little rough.

Mind it this i am telling after stopping use of system G. A normal person cannot feel these differences like me.

Hi Sibun, Read this post of yours... I would ask you to use something less costly.

Please add 5 ml of Acetone in 5 Litre of fuel and see what happens. You can source it from here http://www.sdfine.com/pricelistpdf.pdf it should cost 276 ml/500 ml.

System G has either Acetone or other strong solvents. Acetone helps in cleaning the engine/fuel lines but it is not recommended for everyday use. It also increases the mileage. Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage

I did extensive research on the use of acetone and tried it on my bike. The bike felt so smooth. I added 15 ml in around 5 litres and the petrol just vanished within 30 kms of spirited ride... it decreased the FE of my bike immensely. Never overuse it. Also, dont use it regularly. And if you want to store the bike for long, never keep the bike with acetone+fuel in it. There are youtube videos on use of acetone and technically sound people never suggest use of acetone, nor does vehicle manufacturers.

Regular use of acetone would damage the fuel supply system including pipes and carb/injectors. See these images from @shv18 's bike http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...fz-s-1637.html when he left it for 4 months. He is a regular System G user. And now I know why the fuel knob looked how it looked in these images.

I would definitely use Acetone again.. but this is how:

Acetone (1 ml/1 litre) in one tankful every 5000kms. That means just once every six months for my kind of usage.

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**shv18** · 05-25-2014, 07:40 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by muztariq View Post

Hi Sibun, Read this post of yours... I would ask you to use something less costly.

Please add 5 ml of Acetone in 5 Litre of fuel and see what happens. You can source it from here http://www.sdfine.com/pricelistpdf.pdf it should cost 276 ml/500 ml.

System G has either Acetone or other strong solvents. Acetone helps in cleaning the engine/fuel lines but it is not recommended for everyday use. It also increases the mileage. Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage

I did extensive research on the use of acetone and tried it on my bike. The bike felt so smooth. I added 15 ml in around 5 litres and the petrol just vanished within 30 kms of spirited ride... it decreased the FE of my bike immensely. Never overuse it. Also, dont use it regularly. And if you want to store the bike for long, never keep the bike with acetone+fuel in it. There are youtube videos on use of acetone and technically sound people never suggest use of acetone, nor does vehicle manufacturers.

Regular use of acetone would damage the fuel supply system including pipes and carb/injectors. See these images from @shv18 's bike http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...fz-s-1637.html when he left it for 4 months. He is a regular System G user. And now I know why the fuel knob looked how it looked in these images.

I would definitely use Acetone again.. but this is how:

Acetone (1 ml/1 litre) in one tankful every 5000kms. That means just once every six months for my kind of usage.

Hi,

just saw my name popping up here.

Actually later the culprit was found out. It was not System G but one of my friends had borrowed the bike for riding. He took it to a local mechanic thinking that getting the fuel filter and the tank cleaned after 4 months of non-usage would be a good idea. When the fuel filter was screwed back in, the holding screws were not tightened correctly. As a result petrol dripped from the tank slowly but steadily eventually forming a brown gooey like deposition on the fuel filter - reserve knob.

Have never heard of System G making the bike feel rough or anything or causing any gumming up of the fuel lines if left alone for longer periods. It other way round keeps the petrol from gumming up. It does what it promises just like REDEX in UK:

Fifth Gear's Jason Plato services Volkswizard's VW Corrado VR6 to see if can produce more power - YouTube

Alternatively one can also use System 23 on motorcycles. Have been trying it out with positive results on my FZ.

Hope this clarifies everything..

Cheers,

**shoeb2015** · 05-25-2014, 09:46 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by kmk0311 View Post

Expert help needed

@sibun, @psr, @shoeb2015, @Divya Sharan

one of our members, @chulubuly, required some help so he pm-ed me. I'm posting on his behalf.

"sir,my friend has a Glmour PGM FI which has already clocked 60k.now his bike misfires.so he had showed it to HH service center.they said that he needs to replace both fuel pump and injector which costs 27000 INR without warranty !

he had checked the injector manually and he says it injects the fuel but doesn't close the valve itself entirely.so it pours out the fuel every time.
he had also checked the pump.in which he noticed that the metal lid ( see the blue arrow ) near the regulator is corroded and has some holes.so the pressure fades away with the time.

That is the fuel pressure regulator vent. It is supposed to have holes to release excess pressure and send the fuel back into tank.
If he is really worried about the pump then ask the ASC mechanic to hook-up a gauge and find out the fuel pressure at idle RPM, at half throttle and with engine off but key in on position.

If the injector leaks internally then the engine would be flooded and difficult to start. Is this happening ?

If the injector is found to be leaking then get it cleaned on a machine by a car injector/Diesel pump repair shop, 9 out of 10 times this solves the problem.

Also ask that mechanic to verify whether the misfire is fuel related or ignition related.
At what RPM does it misfire ?

Originally posted by muztariq View Post

See these images from @shv18 's bike http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...fz-s-1637.html when he left it for 4 months. He is a regular System G user. And now I know why the fuel knob looked how it looked in these images.
I would definitely use Acetone again.. but this is how:

That brownish deposit you saw is nothing but varnished petrol.

If a carburetor's vent tube is removed then also a similar kind of deposit can be found after a few weeks.

**Dr.Hemant Gajendra** · 05-26-2014, 12:41 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

was doing some photoshopping and got this inspired by the logo as written on maximum sports bikes.
i kind of dont like that big ZMR logo on my red bike that logo looks cool on white and black ones but not in red just my view
so was thinking would this look good on my bike as well???? [MENTION=28527]sibun[/MENTION] [MENTION=41586]Divya Sharan[/MENTION] [MENTION=27021]padfootmoony2006[/MENTION] [MENTION=53321]abhi7013[/MENTION] what do you say about this one any advice you would like to give???

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sorry for the bad photoshopping skills

**jack_daniels** · 05-26-2014, 03:27 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

[MENTION=67572]Dr.Hemant Gajendra[/MENTION] Why don't u try the new Yamaha Movistar logo?? It looks awesome in my opinion.[emoji16]

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**worrisomebear** · 05-26-2014, 05:39 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by kmk0311 View Post

God damn service centre people have over tightened my drain bolt from the last service!!

wanted to change engine oil today and I wasn't able to unscrew it.

tried to use a #17 spanner, it was sooooooo damn tight!!! Had to use all my strength and all I got in return was smoothened edges of the bolt.

This happens, and normally while trying what you did, it cracks as well. I had once had this issue on zmr and zma both.

**abhi7013** · 05-26-2014, 10:17 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Dr.Hemant Gajendra View Post

[ATTACH=CONFIG]145730[/ATTACH] was doing some photoshopping and got this inspired by the logo as written on maximum sports bikes.
i kind of dont like that big ZMR logo on my red bike that logo looks cool on white and black ones but not in red just my view
so was thinking would this look good on my bike as well???? [MENTION=28527]sibun[/MENTION] [MENTION=41586]Divya Sharan[/MENTION] [MENTION=27021]padfootmoony2006[/MENTION] [MENTION=53321]abhi7013[/MENTION] what do you say about this one any advice you would like to give???

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sorry for the bad photoshopping skills

Doesn't the bottom part of the upper fairing look plain? And it would be good if you added EBR in big fonts just below it. Since the logo is theirs

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**kmk0311** · 05-26-2014, 01:30 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by worrisomebear View Post

This happens, and normally while trying what you did, it cracks as well. I had once had this issue on zmr and zma both.

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

For now go to mechanic and get it replaced. Next time use a 1/2" 17 bit with long T handle.

Got it done after going to the mechanic. He started to shape out the drain bolt for his convenience so that the spanner would sit properly. Now its completely deformed!!

Have to get that replaced.

After a point he gave up as he couldn't open it with the T handle, and gave a light tap on the thread. And he started unscrewing with his hands only!!

I was like what the fudge* man you are unscrewing with your hands!!

He replied saying this and all is nothing da, I just loosened the thread a little and voila..

**Divya Sharan** · 05-26-2014, 02:59 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by kmk0311 View Post

Got it done after going to the mechanic. He started so shape out the drain bolt for his convenience so that the spanner would sit properly. Now its completely deformed!!

Have to get that replaced.

Use a Pulsar 200's drain bolt (not 200NS). It has a bigger head and more easily accessible/open-able.

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