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**Praful** · 04-14-2009, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post

YEP!

I am now really scared man!! This should not have happened! But one thing, I felt no difference in performance or anything!!

Dnt worry too much, I had to ride 350 kays with the engine oil at lower than lower mark!

Just re-check all the possible points for any leaks, especially the drain bolt!

Top up karwa lo....if it still drinking oil then you need to worry!

**niks_devil666** · 04-14-2009, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by kaushikramadas View Post

@ Niks
If the fuel pump priming is happening then a push start will work. There needs to be sufficient juice in the Battery to pump the fuel to the injector else the bike cannot start.

The battery had drained completely , not even the fuel pump was priming , called for break down vehicle

**rx100.7050** · 04-14-2009, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

Dnt worry too much, I had to ride 350 kays with the engine oil at lower than lower mark!

Just re-check all the possible points for any leaks, especially the drain bolt!

Top up karwa lo....if it still drinking oil then you need to worry!

Arrey that is also bit weird. No leakage. I park my bike inside my house, in the driveway. No stains, nothing!! lets see. Thank you man!!! And others too.

Niks_devil666: That is also a scary problem. Imagine happening it while touring!!

My advise change to no-maintenance battery now. Hope its is a minor problem.

**niks_devil666** · 04-14-2009, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post

Niks_devil666: That is also a scary problem. Imagine happening it while touring!!

My advise change to no-maintenance battery now. Hope its is a minor problem.

I don't think it will be a major problem while touring, the breaks we take are hardly for 15-20 mins , my bike took a break on sunday night from 11-10 in the morning , still managed a push start easily.And even if this happens you can always get the battery disconencted and get it charged somewhere just to take it to a pbk SC.

p.s.:220 is very reliable , trust me.My bike is now 2yr old and now its definitely time for a battery replacement.Might also get all the electicals done again.

**Praful** · 04-14-2009, 12:06 PM

I've had the same problem while touring twice! And that too on the same trip! Second time happened despite the PBK 'fixing' it!

The 220 is a reliable bike and its the electricals that I don't trust!

**rx100.7050** · 04-14-2009, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by niks_devil666 View Post

I don't think it will be a major problem while touring, the breaks we take are hardly for 15-20 mins , my bike took a break on sunday night from 11-10 in the morning , still managed a push start easily.And even if this happens you can always get the battery disconencted and get it charged somewhere just to take it to a pbk SC.

p.s.:220 is very reliable , trust me.My bike is now 2yr old and now its definitely time for a battery replacement.Might also get all the electicals done again.

Waisey i am also one of the very satisfied customer of P220. But being less educated in this tech field & hearing about some unique probs makes me sometime really scared. I am planning to do a solo trip (short - just 1200kms) shortly. That's why, you know...

btw, how good are sensors in P220, any idea??

**HydBiker** · 04-14-2009, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by onlinesatish View Post

Vishnu's bike still running on Mobil 1?

Now it is on Petronas. The day he filled it he said he didn't find the bike to be smooth as it generally is when it comes out of service... but two days later he said it is very smooth and he can feel better response from the bike...

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

Either there is little or no juice left in the battery. If the self test+fuel pump priming is happening then you can push start it.

If thats not happening, then god help you...

One day I left the keys on my R15 with ignition on and covered up the bike. Went down to the bike after a day with spare keys (thinking that my kid would have misplaced the keys) to find out the mistake I made. Battery completely drained... no console or nothing else works. Sat on the bike, put it in 2nd gear, gave two pushes with my leg and released the clutch, one jerk and the bike came to life...

Are you sure that the P220 cannot be push started if the console doesn't light up?

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

Dnt worry too much, I had to ride 350 kays with the engine oil at lower than lower mark!

Does that by any chance explain why you had to get your piston rings changed?

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

The 220 is a reliable bike and its the electricals that I don't trust!

reminds me of someone commenting similar about the Ducati's...

**niks_devil666** · 04-14-2009, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post

btw, how good are sensors in P220, any idea??

1200 is short , he he , good going

Sensors are good , atleast on my bike including the fuel guage(which is very accurate).The only thing that bothers me for the last 5k kms is the oil sensor , which starts to blink as soon as some water is splashed on it.Again some issue with open wires , should be fixed after I'll get all the electricals changed.

@praful : I would blame the quality of service and not the bike for this issue.My old p150 used to very good , but one day after I had clocked 23000 kms+ , the electricals went bad , got it fixed by a mechanic , all wires replaced and things were good again.

**niks_devil666** · 04-14-2009, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by HydBiker View Post

Are you sure that the P220 cannot be push started if the console doesn't light up?

reminds me of someone commenting similar about the Ducati's...

Ducati? still leaps and bounds ahead of BAL.

I tried to push start atleast 10 times, 3 times on declines , at 18-19kmph push speed.On flats at 14-15 kmph , didn't work.I thought it would be easier to call a breakdown vehicle which charges only 150/- for the service.

**pranay** · 04-14-2009, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by HydBiker View Post

Does that by any chance explain why you had to get your piston rings changed?

Hmm. I guess it does.

Praful, dude, no wonder. But thankfully nothing else happened on the route.

**Praful** · 04-14-2009, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by HydBiker View Post

Are you sure that the P220 cannot be push started if the console doesn't light up?
Does that by any chance explain why you had to get your piston rings changed?

If the battery is so dead that the fuel pump is not getting primed then there is no way that the bike would start, unless helped by supernatural powers. On your bike there must have been enough juice in the battery to prime the fuel lines.

No way it wasnt like the bike was running with no oil, there was enough oil to be seen through the oil window, but it was lower than the lowest level mark. Something that happened 20000 Kms cannot be the cause the piston ring replacement now!

Originally posted by niks_devil666 View Post

@praful : I would blame the quality of service and not the bike for this issue.My old p150 used to very good , but one day after I had clocked 23000 kms+ , the electricals went bad , got it fixed by a mechanic , all wires replaced and things were good again.

Isn't that the case with all bikes, they come fantastic from the factory...its the service that kills them!

@Pranay: Something else did happen, It was on that trip to Chennai that I had my second time electrical failure!

**niks_devil666** · 04-14-2009, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

Isn't that the case with all bikes, they come fantastic from the factory...its the service that kills them!

yeah , so true! (even R1 is facing such issues i guess , Akhil's R1)

Any idea how much a full synthetic engine oil costs ,and which one is the best , would want to try it once atleast

**Praful** · 04-14-2009, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by niks_devil666 View Post

Any idea how much a full synthetic engine oil costs ,and which one is the best , would want to try it once atleast

Motul 300V all the way! Have'nt used for some time now, will be going back to it at the next oil change.

You just have to use that oil for your next ride

anything lesser is a torture on extended speed runs!

**HydBiker** · 04-14-2009, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

If the battery is so dead that the fuel pump is not getting primed then there is no way that the bike would start, unless helped by supernatural powers. On your bike there must have been enough juice in the battery to prime the fuel lines.

There was absolutely nothing left in the battery... Nothing worked. no indicator, no horn no console even after turning off the key, wait for abt half a minute and then on again... it was a completely drained out battery then.

Now, what can it be that started the bike - is it the maintenance free battery in the R15 (crap option) or is it the R15 itself that can still start???

or is it the brilliant coil in the R15 at work here?

But yes, I was not able to start an MPFI Alto and Swift how much ever I tried when their batteries were drained out.

**Praful** · 04-14-2009, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by HydBiker View Post

There was absolutely nothing left in the battery... Nothing worked. no indicator, no horn no console even after turning off the key, wait for abt half a minute and then on again... it was a completely drained out battery then.

Now, what can it be that started the bike - is it the maintenance free battery in the R15 (crap option) or is it the R15 itself that can still start???

or is it the brilliant coil in the R15 at work here?

But yes, I was not able to start an MPFI Alto and Swift how much ever I tried when their batteries were drained out.

Well I got no idea about batteries/electricals but the 220 needs fuel to pumped at pressure higher than that created by gravity and hence the fuel pump runs and primes the lines (IIRC at 2-3 psi). Without this additional pressure ignition cannot take place AFAIK.

I hope some tech guru can clarify this better.

No idea at all about the setup on the R15 though!

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