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**RAKHSUP 26** · 11-12-2008, 02:01 PM

Has anybody tried the Castrol power 1 racing ?? whts the cost in mUmbai?

How good is it ?

**Aryan** · 11-12-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by RAKHSUP 26 View Post

Has anybody tried the Castrol power 1 racing ?? whts the cost in mUmbai?

How good is it ?

I have tried the oil on my P-180 Classic and I loved it. Gear shifts felt smooth, engine felt nice and smooth and the vibrations were comparatively low.

P.S:
I am yet to shift to a synthetic oil for my P-200.

**pranay** · 11-12-2008, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

My answers in blue

Btw, you mentioned about lateral spread, please note that chaging your bulb will not result in increase in light spread. The spread of light depends on your reflector/lens setup. What will increase is the brightness of area that was illuminated by the OEM lights.

Originally posted by burnrubbernotursoul View Post

guys !! iam thinking of replacing my current headlamps with osram nightbreaker H7 or philips xtreme power H7. i have a few queries

Hmm. Interesting. I thought the 220 lights were powerful enough.
@burnrubbernotursoul: If you go ahead with the mods, can you post the pics after u r done plz? And 1 more question: when u meant headlamps: did u mean the high beam bulb only? or both?

**pranay** · 11-12-2008, 02:22 PM

Some interesting info if u want to know about the parabolic and ellipsoidal lamps in 220.

Headlight systems descriptions

What are the names of the 3 different headlight types?

Parabolic: The light source hits a parabolic reflector that will determine the main focus of the beam. Then the front glass will dispurse the ligth more to each side. Ie. Mercedes up until model year 2000.
Free form: Same as parabolic, but front lens is clear. Ie. Volvo V70 below:

Ellipsoidal: Light source hits a parabolic reflector, gets horizontally cut off in the first focal point, then projected back straight again with a curved lens. Ellipsoidals is also known as projector headlights.

What is the difference between a projector and a reflector design?
Efficiency:

Parabolic: 27%
1st Generation Ellipsoidal (found on early 90s BMW): 36%
Free form: 45%
2nd Generation Ellipsoidal (found on late 96+ Audi, late model BMW): 52%

There has been a trend that more and more wehicles go away from the traditional parabolic headlamp. The thick glass that are needed makes it a loser in the game of efficient lighting. It seems like the majority of auto manufacturers select ellipsoidals, but they weren't up to par in the first generation. The lower 180 degrees of the bulb output were practically not getting out of the housing. The second generation is designed with another focal point to increase efficiency.
Beam Cutoff:
Projectors create a much sharper cutoff than reflectors. Although some parabolic reflectors can create pretty decent cutoffs, a projector will always be better. The main advantage of projectors is the fact that they can be aimed higher than reflectors because no stray light (above the cutoff) will exist to cause glare to oncoming drivers. This is especially important with high intensity light sources like HID and the new HIR halogen bulbs.
Universality:
Projectors can be designed to be easily switchable from left drive to right drive beam patterns without loss of light. This usually done by turning the reflector housing in reference to the shield and you get the full 'opposite' beam pattern. UK needs this ability to drive legally on the continental Europe. This is why some cars for the UK market have projectors where the rest of the world do not. With a parabolic reflector, the 'kick up' part of the lens has to be taped up (so you lose the kick up completely).
Versitality:
Projectors are normally not used in combined high/low beam setups, although it iss possible to have a moveable shield and this is just what happens with "bi-xenon projector" setups, but this would be very costly in a economy car with halogen setup. A regular H4 or 9007 application is much more cost effective.
Source: www.hidforum.com

also a wikipedia website:

Headlamp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**chilled_fire** · 11-12-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Aryan View Post

I have tried the oil on my P-180 Classic and I loved it. Gear shifts felt smooth, engine felt nice and smooth and the vibrations were comparatively low.

P.S:
I am yet to shift to a synthetic oil for my P-200.

Aree bhai ye 10W40 hai na ?? so no no for 220

**mitesh_singh** · 11-12-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by Durvesh View Post

ok...bro i ask to manger of d sai service borivali but he said that oil void ma bike warrenty so im in trouble becoz that catsrol oil is max 1200km after that i needs to change so that's y m asking to put motul?
but he is saying no?

what i do?

durvesh please check your PM

**RAKHSUP 26** · 11-12-2008, 03:36 PM

Aryan: Thnks mate.

Chilled: Thnks yaar.. I was planning to buy this one.
Ab to Motul hi lunga.

**Praful** · 11-12-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by pranay View Post

Hmm. Interesting. I thought the 220 lights were powerful enough.

The lights are OK if you are doing sub 100kmph speeds, infact I'd personally say that after 80kmph the lights are not exactly enough.

At higher speeds ideally one would prefer to have as much area illuminated as possible.

**pranay** · 11-12-2008, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

The lights are OK if you are doing sub 100kmph speeds, infact I'd personally say that after 80kmph the lights are not exactly enough.

At higher speeds ideally one would prefer to have as much area illuminated as possible.

I'd go for a HID bulb for the high beam in such cases. Have you put it in yours? Or have you seen someone put it in theirs? I saw a youtube video. Looks ok but not so clear. I would be interested in putting that bulb because I do a lot of night traveling. How much does this Osram Nightbreaker cost? And is it available in bangalore.

BTW the videos link:

YouTube - pulsar 220 HID...

YouTube - pulsar 220 HID...

**Praful** · 11-12-2008, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by pranay View Post

I'd go for a HID bulb for the high beam in such cases. Have you put it in yours? Or have you seen someone put it in theirs? I saw a youtube video. Looks ok but not so clear. I would be interested in putting that bulb because I do a lot of night traveling. How much does this Osram Nightbreaker cost? And is it available in bangalore.

BTW the videos link:

YouTube - pulsar 220 HID...

YouTube - pulsar 220 HID...

HID is pretty controversial and getting it onto a electrical risk prone bike is a multi-million dollar question for me. So I'd probably go for it only after the warranty period has gotten over after another year.

Nightbreakers are pretty good from what I've heard!

**need4torque** · 11-12-2008, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by pranay View Post

Some interesting info if u want to know about the parabolic and ellipsoidal lamps in 220.

Headlight systems descriptions

What are the names of the 3 different headlight types?

Parabolic: The light source hits a parabolic reflector that will determine the main focus of the beam. Then the front glass will dispurse the ligth more to each side. Ie. Mercedes up until model year 2000.
Free form: Same as parabolic, but front lens is clear. Ie. Volvo V70 below:

Ellipsoidal: Light source hits a parabolic reflector, gets horizontally cut off in the first focal point, then projected back straight again with a curved lens. Ellipsoidals is also known as projector headlights.

What is the difference between a projector and a reflector design?
Efficiency:

Parabolic: 27%
1st Generation Ellipsoidal (found on early 90s BMW): 36%
Free form: 45%
2nd Generation Ellipsoidal (found on late 96+ Audi, late model BMW): 52%

There has been a trend that more and more wehicles go away from the traditional parabolic headlamp. The thick glass that are needed makes it a loser in the game of efficient lighting. It seems like the majority of auto manufacturers select ellipsoidals, but they weren't up to par in the first generation. The lower 180 degrees of the bulb output were practically not getting out of the housing. The second generation is designed with another focal point to increase efficiency.
Beam Cutoff:
Projectors create a much sharper cutoff than reflectors. Although some parabolic reflectors can create pretty decent cutoffs, a projector will always be better. The main advantage of projectors is the fact that they can be aimed higher than reflectors because no stray light (above the cutoff) will exist to cause glare to oncoming drivers. This is especially important with high intensity light sources like HID and the new HIR halogen bulbs.
Universality:
Projectors can be designed to be easily switchable from left drive to right drive beam patterns without loss of light. This usually done by turning the reflector housing in reference to the shield and you get the full 'opposite' beam pattern. UK needs this ability to drive legally on the continental Europe. This is why some cars for the UK market have projectors where the rest of the world do not. With a parabolic reflector, the 'kick up' part of the lens has to be taped up (so you lose the kick up completely).
Versitality:
Projectors are normally not used in combined high/low beam setups, although it iss possible to have a moveable shield and this is just what happens with "bi-xenon projector" setups, but this would be very costly in a economy car with halogen setup. A regular H4 or 9007 application is much more cost effective.
Source: www.hidforum.com

also a wikipedia website:

Headlamp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pranay, Thats a very informative post. It would be even better with diagrams explaining the working. I plan to check out the source to see if they have any.

**nitrosatya** · 11-12-2008, 06:39 PM

The motul 300v has worked wonders! The change is noticeable only when u rip her hard! Now my bike redlines so easily on 2nd and 3rd gear! Also balancer shaft overloading has smoothed her a lot!

**pranay** · 11-12-2008, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by need4torque View Post

Pranay, Thats a very informative post. It would be even better with diagrams explaining the working. I plan to check out the source to see if they have any.

Thanks, bro and about the working diagrams. If you check out the Wikipedia link I have posted, it has a proper diagrammatic explanation. Anyways, here is the link again:

Headlamp - Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlamp#Projector_.28polyellipsoidal.29_lamps

PS:-Just Checked in Osram India Bangalore office. The NightBreaker is not available yet.

**jigar** · 11-12-2008, 10:20 PM

hey guys... my bikes chain had come pretty lose.. the gears were making a loud thud noise and i cud feel drop in power owing to it.. there was a lot of play in it! So, today i got it tightened at my local mechanic, and now its very tight. Doesnt move from its place (up & down) at all. Is such a tight setting ok or shud i ask him to loosen up a bit? Does a tight chain cause problems? Also, after this, chain emits another "zrrrrrrr" sound too which was not there before.. so is something wrong? Pls help me!

And what shud be the ideal tightnes of the chain.. how freely shud it move up & down?

**Aryan** · 11-12-2008, 10:27 PM

@jigar: As far as I know, too much slackness is bad no doubt, but too much tightening is also bad! It should be just right..

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