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**Praful** · 07-23-2011, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by abhee View Post

Hi guyz......my carb 220 has clocked 34k+. I wanted to understand whether a clutch plate can withstand that much. I normally ride between 60-90, sparsely around 100-120 and very rarely at 125+.

The acceleration seems to have dropped than what used to be & bike seems sluggish when with pillion

......but not sure whether its the general wear and tear or my clutch plate has gone kaput

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Any pointers on how to judge the clutch plate wear?

Figure out what speed does the Dtsi 220 does at say 5K or 6K rpm in topgear. And check your bike's speed at the same RPM, if your clutch is bust then it will be showing lesser speed due to clutch slippage!

Originally posted by Mik View Post

My first clutch plate did 45k km and it was still good for a few thousand more.
When the acceleration drop is unacceptable or you are going on a long ride to the hills - its time to change it.

45K! Holy shite, Mine are generally finished by 20K, sometimes even earlier!!

**forcooler** · 07-23-2011, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by mav1234 View Post

For the first 100-200 KM you will feel the handling a bit hard, but after the tyre is set perfectly to the rim, you will just love it. The Acceleration will increase quite a bit. But the Top End will reduce.

The Braking is fine. You can blindly believe Pirelli..

REAR - 130/70/17 - Price: 3500

FRONT - 100/80/17 - Price: 2500

( Now, there is 10% increase in the import duty of the tyres, so i dont know what will be the price as of now..)
Below is the picture of the same.

Ok..Price is on the high side but i guess..thats pirelli..so i'm ok with it

I'm a lil concerned about the profile of the rear, 130/70 would be on the lower side of the stock right..and coming from a Sirac(high) down to this one,wouldn't it rev my engine quite a bit higher at the same speeds compared to the old tyre? For eg. what's your speed at 4k rpm in 5th gear? And I'd prefer top end to acceleration.

@Praful: You've used an IRC front tyre right? I cant remember the name and the profile,I'd like to know your view on those and any other tyres you could suggest.And whats the difference in the feel of a Zapper vyde and the Sirac,I assume you ridden on both.

Thanks in advance

**abhee** · 07-23-2011, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Mik View Post

My first clutch plate did 45k km and it was still good for a few thousand more.
When the acceleration drop is unacceptable or you are going on a long ride to the hills - its time to change it.

Thanks Mik.
The acceleration drop is something i can live with since its not that substantial. However when with heavy pillion the bike tends to loose it

. Uphills riding single isn't a problem though...recently did a trip to a fort and had to ride a couple of kms uphill....no problem whatsoever.

**Praful** · 07-23-2011, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by forcooler View Post

I'm a lil concerned about the profile of the rear, 130/70 would be on the lower side of the stock right..and coming from a Sirac(high) down to this one,wouldn't it rev my engine quite a bit higher at the same speeds compared to the old tyre? For eg. what's your speed at 4k rpm in 5th gear? And I'd prefer top end to acceleration.

Yep, the 130/70 profile will make the bike shorter geared compared to stock! i.e. more revvy in nature. You will be doing the same speeds at higher rpms. With stock tyres , the Fi does 83 @ 6K RPM, with the Sirac it does 88 @ 6K RPM, I think it does about 80 @ 6K RPM with the PSD.

Do you have the same speedo as Mav? If not then the speedo readings will be the same. I have the older black back speedo.

Originally posted by forcooler View Post

@Praful: You've used an IRC front tyre right? I cant remember the name and the profile,I'd like to know your view on those and any other tyres you could suggest.And whats the difference in the feel of a Zapper vyde and the Sirac,I assume you ridden on both.

Thanks in advance

I've used the IRC Wildflare WF-920 90/90-17 tyre. That's the best front tyre I've used on my bike ever. If you find it do lemme know, I will pay for the shipping charges

Vyde is awesome, fantastic for cornering. Straightline braking grip is a little lesser than both the Sirac and stock FS though. And its a really soft compound tyre, mine wore off in 10K kms.

**forcooler** · 07-23-2011, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Praful View Post

Yep, the 130/70 profile will make the bike shorter geared compared to stock! i.e. more revvy in nature. You will be doing the same speeds at higher rpms. With stock tyres , the Fi does 83 @ 6K RPM, with the Sirac it does 88 @ 6K RPM, I think it does about 80 @ 6K RPM with the PSD.

Do you have the same speedo as Mav? If not then the speedo readings will be the same. I have the older black back speedo.

I've used the IRC Wildflare WF-920 90/90-17 tyre. That's the best front tyre I've used on my bike ever. If you find it do lemme know, I will pay for the shipping charges

Vyde is awesome, fantastic for cornering. Straightline braking grip is a little lesser than both the Sirac and stock FS though. And its a really soft compound tyre, mine wore off in 10K kms.

Hmm,I kinda like the higher gearing with the Sirac,lovely for highway-rides.
So maybe the pirelli rear's are not for me.

My old speedo(black) conked off around 29k kms :-/ .I have the new(old) white ones now,but how will the speeds be the same?

I doubt I'll be able to find the IRC if YOU can't find it

.Which is the best choice after that?

Just out of curiousity,how long did your Sirac's last?mine have started slipping and sliding quite a bit after 18k kms.

**Praful** · 07-23-2011, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by forcooler View Post

Hmm,I kinda like the higher gearing with the Sirac,lovely for highway-rides.
So maybe the pirelli rear's are not for me.

Yep PSD's are not for tourers!

Originally posted by forcooler View Post

My old speedo(black) conked off around 29k kms :-/ .I have the new(old) white ones now,but how will the speeds be the same?

The white ones are prone to higher error and hence there is a difference between the reading between the two.

Originally posted by forcooler View Post

Just out of curiousity,how long did your Sirac's last?mine have started slipping and sliding quite a bit after 18k kms.

The first Sirac started skidding at about 10-12K, replaced it at 16K. The new Sirac started skidding at 2K. Done about 15K now, wondering what to replace it to.

The second Sirac was atleast 50% less grippy than my first one. Michelin India has refused that there is any compound change, and I can't just can't digest that!

**forcooler** · 07-27-2011, 04:24 PM

Hi,

finally for the rear i've decided to go for the Sirac again,its one helluva tyre.

Now for the front,I've given up on wildflare,so its between the zapper or the pirelli PSD front.i dont want to go for the fz front tyre again.

How well will the PSD front work with the Sirac? any idea?

**Praful** · 07-27-2011, 04:45 PM

Congrats.. for getting a Sirac

. Its not available here in BLR

Front tyre even I'm for the front tyre after trying heaven and hell for sourcing the Wildflare front. Have almost given up for now, will never go for Zapper FX EVER!

You can give PSD a shot, will be better than Zapper FS mostly!

**AashishS** · 07-27-2011, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Praful View Post

Congrats.. for getting a Sirac

. Its not available here in BLR

Front tyre even I'm for the front tyre after trying heaven and hell for sourcing the Wildflare front. Have almost given up for now, will never go for Zapper FX EVER!

You can give PSD a shot, will be better than Zapper FS mostly!

why dont you ride to delhi then

...you will get the Wildflare over here. I also need to change my bike's wildflare now. It totally bald now!

**mav1234** · 07-28-2011, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by forcooler View Post

Hi,

finally for the rear i've decided to go for the Sirac again,its one helluva tyre.

Now for the front,I've given up on wildflare,so its between the zapper or the pirelli PSD front.i dont want to go for the fz front tyre again.

How well will the PSD front work with the Sirac? any idea?

Congrats for the SIRAC (once again ).. Once a Sirac, Always a Sirac.

For the front, I would better suggest with Pirelli SD, which will be a perfect Match. They OK regarding grip and roadholding ( which I am feeling it currently with mine).
But, these are quite sensitive to uneven roads when a bit worn.

**forcooler** · 07-28-2011, 02:17 PM

Pirelli SD it shall be..

will start looking now..any idea about where in Pune i could get it?

Originally posted by A@shIsh View Post

why dont you ride to delhi then

...you will get the Wildflare over here. I also need to change my bike's wildflare now. It totally bald now!

Sorry to butt in,but i have to ask,is the wildflare available easily in delhi? If yes,then i'll try to source it somehow.

**Anoop Desai** · 07-29-2011, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by Praful View Post

Congrats.. for getting a Sirac

. Its not available here in BLR

Front tyre even I'm for the front tyre after trying heaven and hell for sourcing the Wildflare front. Have almost given up for now, will never go for Zapper FX EVER!

You can give PSD a shot, will be better than Zapper FS mostly!

Sirac is no where available in Bangalore. I tried for almost 2 weeks and at last spoke to Mr. Venkat @ Autoservice. He recommended me Bridgestone Battlax or MRF Vyde after knowing the roads i commute on.

I am running on IRCs for 10k kms, the rear one has lost its life and provides no grip in rains. So which one do you suggest? PSD doesn't seem apt to my usage. I commute on horrible stretches of K'kpura Roads.

PS: Check this out Michelin Sirac Tire. Size: 120/90-17 - 2,750.00Rs

**mansuryayas** · 07-29-2011, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Anoop Desai View Post

Sirac is no where available in Bangalore. I tried for almost 2 weeks and at last spoke to Mr. Venkat @ Autoservice. He recommended me Bridgestone Battlax or MRF Vyde after knowing the roads i commute on.

PS: Check this out Michelin Sirac Tire. Size: 120/90-17 - 2,750.00Rs

Sirac is available here in Ahmedabad, if anyone is interested do let me know I can check the price and also ship it over if you need

**salman_sk** · 07-30-2011, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by forcooler View Post

Pirelli SD it shall be..

will start looking now..any idea about where in Pune i could get it?

Sorry to butt in,but i have to ask,is the wildflare available easily in delhi? If yes,then i'll try to source it somehow.

dude by putting sirac in rear , suppose a puncture occurs ! how d o u deal with it ? as the tyre is non tubeless.

i had this concern straight from start but never asked.

i knw it can be fixed directly to the rear as tubless but if puncture occurs ?
and does it lose air frequently ? ?

and i have a IRC front tyre changed it 1 k back and the tyre is best to what i have ridden. I dont knw its name but its 110/70 (only the width size increase) gives awesome braking, conering is simply good. bought it for Rs2k will post the pics soon (right now me in office)

**forcooler** · 07-30-2011, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by salman_sk View Post

dude by putting sirac in rear , suppose a puncture occurs ! how d o u deal with it ? as the tyre is non tubeless.

i had this concern straight from start but never asked.

i knw it can be fixed directly to the rear as tubless but if puncture occurs ?
and does it lose air frequently ? ?

and i have a IRC front tyre changed it 1 k back and the tyre is best to what i have ridden. I dont knw its name but its 110/70 (only the width size increase) gives awesome braking, conering is simply good. bought it for Rs2k will post the pics soon (right now me in office)

I've used it as a tubeless and had a couple of punctures in the 18k kms.It behaves just like a tubeless tyre incase of a puncture.So don't worry about that.

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