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**pixantz** · 07-18-2014, 12:42 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Anybody tried to refer the problem to a trusted local mech. by any chance? Why are you guys sweating it out for no reason? Im sure people who work with this stuff on a day to day basis will have a quick sure-fire remedy.... No?

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**SriramEfunds** · 07-18-2014, 12:58 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by pixantz View Post

Anybody tried to refer the problem to a trusted local mech. by any chance? Why are you guys sweating it out for no reason?

I wont use TRUST and MECHANIC together because they don't cheat.

**s1d** · 07-18-2014, 01:19 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by pixantz View Post

Anybody tried to refer the problem to a trusted local mech. by any chance? Why are you guys sweating it out for no reason? Im sure people who work with this stuff on a day to day basis will have a quick sure-fire remedy.... No?

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If that was the case & we all did that, then 90% of discussions going on here would cease to exist

We need some fodder to munch on too..

**ravi@17bhp** · 07-18-2014, 01:25 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

As far as I know, I don't think there is USHA made bore kit for Karizma/ZMR (correct me if I am wrong). There is only one kit with SAL cylinder and SAL Piston with USHA piston rings. I got this same combination. My original bore kit that came with bike also had SAL bore and piston with USHA piston rings.

When I rebored, I used USHA piston and rings. The compression was within limits and it did well, though I replaced the setup with new bore kit recently due to some unnecessary suspicion. The new bore kit is SAL made and its doing good.

In my opinion, any stock size piston would work, be it SAL or USHA. Either USHA or SAL, Hero would ask them to make the parts based on the size, and not based on metallurgy. To be on safe side, get SAL piston if possible, else get USHA.

**pixantz** · 07-18-2014, 01:29 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by s1d View Post

If that was the case & we all did that, then 90% of discussions going on here would cease to exist

We need some fodder to munch on too..

Not really sid. I mean, I get your point, but dont you think that something as trivial and easy as sourcing an oe piston is not worth so many seasoned riders wasting so many pages on? Everyone enjoys a healthy discussion, still There are many much more irritating, complex, worrying, troubling, interesting problems with a zma Im sure...

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**The Pain** · 07-18-2014, 01:49 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by pixantz View Post

Anybody tried to refer the problem to a trusted local mech. by any chance? Why are you guys sweating it out for no reason? Im sure people who work with this stuff on a day to day basis will have a quick sure-fire remedy.... No?

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Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

I wont use TRUST and MECHANIC together because they don't cheat.

Originally posted by s1d View Post

If that was the case & we all did that, then 90% of discussions going on here would cease to exist

We need some fodder to munch on too..

I reallly wouldnt trust a local mech with this kinda stuff to be honest.

Originally posted by pixantz View Post

Not really sid. I mean, I get your point, but dont you think that something as trivial and easy as sourcing an oe piston is not worth so many seasoned riders wasting so many pages on? Everyone enjoys a healthy discussion, still There are many much more irritating, complex, worrying, troubling, interesting problems with a zma Im sure...

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Ouch! sorry for the wasted pages. But what you consider trivial may be of great importance to me. Im sure we all are anal about different things and i think this discussion has a lot of value to me cos im new to Karizmas.

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Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

As far as I know, I don't think there is USHA made bore kit for Karizma/ZMR (correct me if I am wrong). There is only one kit with SAL cylinder and SAL Piston with USHA piston rings. I got this same combination. My original bore kit that came with bike also had SAL bore and piston with USHA piston rings.

When I rebored, I used USHA piston and rings. The compression was within limits and it did well, though I replaced the setup with new bore kit recently due to some unnecessary suspicion. The new bore kit is SAL made and its doing good.

In my opinion, any stock size piston would work, be it SAL or USHA. Either USHA or SAL, Hero would ask them to make the parts based on the size, and not based on metallurgy. To be on safe side, get SAL piston if possible, else get USHA.

Thanks Ravi, the above makes sense. I think SAL/USHA will be the way to go. Thanks for your inputs buddy

**pixantz** · 07-18-2014, 01:50 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by The Pain View Post

I reallly wouldnt trust a local mech with this kinda stuff to be honest.

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I reallly wouldnt trust a local mech with this kinda stuff to be honest.

Ha ha. I understand your concern. We all feel the same. But believe me, good local mechanics do exist. The art is to pin point one. And also pinpoint which of them does which particular job best. Like, every mech doesn't do everything good. One may be good at fault finding whereas another maybe good at engine/clutch jobs and yet another may be an ace small job doer. Did you know that for instance there are markings on critical parts like clutchbell and hub center etc parts which need to be fitted in a particular order/sequence or position in order to get the optimum performance or life out of it? The good mechs know it. everyone who has experienced a good mech will agree. They are invaluable. You just have to find one.

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**pixantz** · 07-18-2014, 01:56 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by The Pain View Post

i think this discussion has a lot of value to me cos im new to Karizmas.

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Thanks Ravi, the above makes sense. I think SAL/USHA will be the way to go. Thanks for your inputs buddy

Ouch! I forgot that. No sweat dude. Have fun...[emoji2][emoji1]

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**The Pain** · 07-18-2014, 02:23 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by pixantz View Post

Ha ha. I understand your concern. We all feel the same. But believe me, good local mechanics do exist. The art is to pin point one. And also pinpoint which of them does which particular job best. Like, every mech doesn't do everything good. One may be good at fault finding whereas another maybe good at engine/clutch jobs and yet another may be an ace small job doer. Did you know that for instance there are markings on critical parts like clutchbell and hub center etc parts which need to be fitted in a particular order/sequence or position in order to get the optimum performance or life out of it? The good mechs know it. everyone who has experienced a good mech will agree. They are invaluable. You just have to find one.

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Originally posted by pixantz View Post

Ouch! I forgot that. No sweat dude. Have fun...[emoji2][emoji1]

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Thanks Buddy ,.. No worries. Will keep an eye open for a reliable mech

**SriramEfunds** · 07-18-2014, 06:03 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

The spares costs have gone high. Most of the mechanic will try to convince only to replace parts, whether its service centers or street shop. How many of us take old parts back? According to me best mechanic is the bike owner himself. Its just that none wants to get their hands dirty and learn. One goes to Mech leaves the bike and be at his mercy. I praise good workmanship but never trust and get my eyes off the bike.

**sibun** · 07-18-2014, 09:00 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by pixantz View Post

Ha ha. I understand your concern. We all feel the same. But believe me, good local mechanics do exist. The art is to pin point one. And also pinpoint which of them does which particular job best. Like, every mech doesn't do everything good. One may be good at fault finding whereas another maybe good at engine/clutch jobs and yet another may be an ace small job doer. Did you know that for instance there are markings on critical parts like clutchbell and hub center etc parts which need to be fitted in a particular order/sequence or position in order to get the optimum performance or life out of it? The good mechs know it. everyone who has experienced a good mech will agree. They are invaluable. You just have to find one. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

Ya! good mechanic do exist as i myself am sticking with my mechanic for last ten years and he is really good at his job. Many friends of mine have repaired there bikes from there and now are his permanent customer. Even our xbhpian ashish lakra have gone to my mechanic and once again has gone to my mechanic. This time he serviced his front forks and it is working much better almost like new and he is mighty pleased.

Originally posted by The Pain View Post

I reallly wouldnt trust a local mech with this kinda stuff to be honest. Ouch! sorry for the wasted pages. But what you consider trivial may be of great importance to me. Im sure we all are anal about different things and i think this discussion has a lot of value to me cos im new to Karizmas.----consecutive posts auto-merged-----Thanks Ravi, the above makes sense. I think SAL/USHA will be the way to go. Thanks for your inputs buddy

Sal pistons are good as after numerous complains Hero has changed the quality of pistons. I know in between year 2006-2008 most of the bike came under warranty as those sal pistons gave faults. Even my Joys piston ceased as i had used sal piston. But now there are no such complains in any bikes. Even now i am using sal blocks and there is absolutely no problems in my bikes. Some of the major piston companies are USHA, SAL, MAHLE, Goetze. Goetze rings are best as those rings have much temper in them and thus last long before smoking. I will search for USHA piston and will let you know.

**The Pain** · 07-18-2014, 10:55 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by sibun View Post

Ya! good mechanic do exist as i myself am sticking with my mechanic for last ten years and he is really good at his job. Many friends of mine have repaired there bikes from there and now are his permanent customer. Even our xbhpian ashish lakra have gone to my mechanic and once again has gone to my mechanic. This time he serviced his front forks and it is working much better almost like new and he is mighty pleased.Sal pistons are good as after numerous complains Hero has changed the quality of pistons. I know in between year 2006-2008 most of the bike came under warranty as those sal pistons gave faults. Even my Joys piston ceased as i had used sal piston. But now there are no such complains in any bikes. Even now i am using sal blocks and there is absolutely no problems in my bikes. Some of the major piston companies are USHA, SAL, MAHLE, Goetze. Goetze rings are best as those rings have much temper in them and thus last long before smoking. I will search for USHA piston and will let you know.

Thanks Sibun, Really appreciate it if you could source one. Thanks.

**The Pain** · 07-18-2014, 04:37 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

My original bore kit that came with bike also had SAL bore and piston with USHA piston rings.

Just checked the rings that came with the bore Kit. They are USHA.

So basically, Hero/HeroHonda is and has been using SAL Cylinders + Pistons and Usha rings for some time now i think.

**ravi@17bhp** · 07-18-2014, 10:03 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by The Pain View Post

Just checked the rings that came with the bore Kit. They are USHA.

So basically, Hero/HeroHonda is and has been using SAL Cylinders + Pistons and Usha rings for some time now i think.

There are Usha made bore kits for other Hero bikes I think, [MENTION=28527]sibun[/MENTION] can clarify on this. For karizma and ZMR, I think only SAL is the supplier.

**The Pain** · 07-18-2014, 11:47 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

There are Usha made bore kits for other Hero bikes I think, @sibun can clarify on this. For karizma and ZMR, I think only SAL is the supplier.

Possibly. I think [MENTION=28527]sibun[/MENTION] has a HH Joy with the USHA bore+piston kit.

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