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**SatSon** · 04-19-2015, 03:37 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by sunny_ View Post

Ah, yes. That's why I wanted to reduce the possibility of this, and was trying to confirm here. Claiming and asking for the part number directly would further neglect any such chance. 1st gen Xtreme won't sound that promising to them, what I think.

Ask for Hunk alloy. I think first gen Xtreme and current Hunk has the same alloy (5 spoke). Hunk is having the 5 spoke alloy since its launch.
But do confirm with them if it fits Karizma.

**dream_victor** · 04-20-2015, 12:39 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Manoj76 View Post

Thank you for clarifying your purposes of purchasing a Pre-owned Karizma. I cannot comment on 150CC bikes apart from HH CBZ classic and CBZ-Extreme. When we compare these models with the Karizma, the Karizma seems a much better proposition. You have something extra on tap when you are riding @45-50mph. The engine is extremely reliable and the bike is an excellent handler. My Bike's done almost 1L Kms in the last 7 years(i bought mine pre-owned). The drawback is the sporadic unavailability of parts which again depends upon your city.

Things that I would certainly check while purchasing.

1. Should not have excessive oil leaks and Vibrations. Sometimes, there is oil leakage seen around the Stator Cap and around the Cam- Chain tensioner. These can be rectified by changing the respective gaskets and O-Rings. See that you are getting a less used example, say odo reading between 4500-13500 Kms.

2. Check for any accidental damage, i.e. misaligned forks, bent wheels, tweaked frame etc.

3. Check the plastics thoroughly. Quality of plastics are a Achilles heel of the Karizma. One drop and the plastic stays on the inside of the fairing are the first to kick the bucket. To add to our misery, each plastic part costs a bomb

If you are going to trawl in the local market, make sure you bring your friend/mechanic who can give a second opinion. Check 10 bikes alteast as Karizmas in the used market were not generally treated Kindly by their previous owners.

others may also chip in, and, do go thru the thread. It has very valuable info.

I'm too in the lookout for an abused 2003-2004 model karizma for rehabilitation

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Thanks for the comments buddy, Any inputs on how comfortable is the seating position ( I kind of prefer a commuter position than a sporty position, afraid of wrist pain) from test drives didn't feel much difficulty but couldn't make much out of a very short drive The suspension did feel a little stiff
I did browse through this thread and from what i make out the cons of Karizma are mostly low mileage and expensive spares/availability, let me know if I missed anything else

**kety213** · 04-20-2015, 01:17 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by dream_victor View Post

Thanks for the comments buddy, Any inputs on how comfortable is the seating position ( I kind of prefer a commuter position than a sporty position, afraid of wrist pain) from test drives didn't feel much difficulty but couldn't make much out of a very short drive The suspension did feel a little stiff
I did browse through this thread and from what i make out the cons of Karizma are mostly low mileage and expensive spares/availability, let me know if I missed anything else

Some inputs from me...it has a commuter position, front suspension is soft rear you can adjust...if you ride it sanely it will give you easily 40 in city at 60 kph and 45 plus on highway at 90kph.

Yes spares are costly as they are of good quality. But that too depend what spares are you looking at, as for some spares you can try local ones like brake pads. You won't be needing spares regularly. All this I can tell from my 7 1/2 yrs of experience.

P.S: If ever need to buy plastic parts, go for the local ones. I had changed my front fender four times as suspension being soft, and you go across pothole the nose dives in hard.

Sent from my Panasonic P81 using xBhp Connect mobile app

**undergroundrider** · 04-20-2015, 12:48 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Got the zma serviced on the weekend, switched to gulf pride 4t plus 20w40 and boy oh boy what a change... the bike is now smother than what it was

Previously, I had issues with the gear being too hard during down shifts, got the lever adjusted and that too has now become butter smooth (don't know if the engine oil did the trick)

Got the entire chain/chain area detached, cleaned it and lubed it as well

and last but no the least, previously I had reported of a noise coming from the front wheel when I used to apply the front discs, there used to be a single 'tak' sound coming, the mechanic took the bolts from the handle area off and adjusted some nut there which was loose and now that noise has gone away too

**shirish** · 04-21-2015, 09:13 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Manoj76 View Post

Unfortunately, there are no other alternatives(that I know of) apart from Joel's petal disk advertised on the race concepts Website. The OEM disc will cost around INR 1300 and do make sure that the disc bolts(5 nos, each approx INR 6.50) are also changed. Use blue loctite on the bolts.

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Originally posted by AK3D View Post

~1600 last year

The OEM disc will do the job just fine, the OE bolts cost 20 rupees each.

Thanks for your replies guys. Will get it replaced with the OEM disc

**pratikraykar** · 04-21-2015, 02:52 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Hi everyone,

Just been added to the Xbhp family

, i own a turquoise karizma an 06 model and its been 9 years of great fun having it with me

, however for the past 2 months i have been having major issues with it,whenever i am at a traffic signal the engine just stalls, i tried adjusting the rpm to 1200 rpm but then there is another problem altogether this time when i press the clutch to change the gear the RPM would rise by 400-500 RPM's. I got the air vacuum changed in the carburettor but the problem still persists, i have no clue as to what might the issue be here, The HH technician have told me to get the piston rings and the clutch plate changed because of the age of the bike, but i am pretty sure that the bike would idle better but would not solve this problem of Stalling in stop's . Any advice over my problem ???

**chand_cbz** · 04-21-2015, 04:09 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by pratikraykar View Post

Hi everyone,

Just been added to the Xbhp family

, i own a turquoise karizma an 06 model and its been 9 years of great fun having it with me

, however for the past 2 months i have been having major issues with it,whenever i am at a traffic signal the engine just stalls, i tried adjusting the rpm to 1200 rpm but then there is another problem altogether this time when i press the clutch to change the gear the RPM would rise by 400-500 RPM's. I got the air vacuum changed in the carburettor but the problem still persists, i have no clue as to what might the issue be here, The HH technician have told me to get the piston rings and the clutch plate changed because of the age of the bike, but i am pretty sure that the bike would idle better but would not solve this problem of Stalling in stop's . Any advice over my problem ???

Have a similar problem on my 2000 model CBZ.. After short rides in stop - go traffic, the engine gets very hot and revs as high as 3k rpm when set to neutral.
When I took the bike to the mechanic, they just adjusted the idling setting and now it stalls every time I pull the clutch and the pick up took a hit as well.

The mechanic also suggested that I get a new carburetor. I'm not sure that that would solve the issue. Please advise.

**Only Amit...** · 04-21-2015, 04:25 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by pratikraykar View Post

whenever i am at a traffic signal the engine just stalls, i tried adjusting the rpm to 1200 rpm but then there is another problem altogether this time when i press the clutch to change the gear the RPM would rise by 400-500 RPM's. I got the air vacuum changed in the carburettor but the problem still persists

Welcome to XBHP!!!
There might be a problem with the carburator. The carb butterfly can be the culprit and as far as I know HH SVC folks wont repair that. They will ask you to change the carb if the issue persists.
I am not very sure though, wait for GURUs to respond

**pratikraykar** · 04-21-2015, 05:21 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Yes even i feel the same, they would always opt to change the carburettor,but a carburettor for a karizma can cost upto 5k and i am really not sure that i will go ahead and change the carb as i also have to get the clutch plate and the piston rings changed,no idea of how much more parts would be added once they open up the header :'(. I am planning of getting the carb checked with a carb expert and then see what he has to say, as of now i am really annoyed with the problem going on...

**dream_victor** · 04-23-2015, 12:13 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by kety213 View Post

Some inputs from me...it has a commuter position, front suspension is soft rear you can adjust...if you ride it sanely it will give you easily 40 in city at 60 kph and 45 plus on highway at 90kph.

Yes spares are costly as they are of good quality. But that too depend what spares are you looking at, as for some spares you can try local ones like brake pads. You won't be needing spares regularly. All this I can tell from my 7 1/2 yrs of experience.

P.S: If ever need to buy plastic parts, go for the local ones. I had changed my front fender four times as suspension being soft, and you go across pothole the nose dives in hard.

Sent from my Panasonic P81 using xBhp Connect mobile app

Thanks Kety213, unfortunately by the time I could decide and work out a deal the bike was sold already. Let me continue looking for others

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Originally posted by kety213 View Post

Some inputs from me...it has a commuter position, front suspension is soft rear you can adjust...if you ride it sanely it will give you easily 40 in city at 60 kph and 45 plus on highway at 90kph.

Yes spares are costly as they are of good quality. But that too depend what spares are you looking at, as for some spares you can try local ones like brake pads. You won't be needing spares regularly. All this I can tell from my 7 1/2 yrs of experience.

P.S: If ever need to buy plastic parts, go for the local ones. I had changed my front fender four times as suspension being soft, and you go across pothole the nose dives in hard.

Sent from my Panasonic P81 using xBhp Connect mobile app

Thanks Kety213, unfortunately by the time I could decide and work out a deal the bike was sold already. Let me continue looking for others

**The Pain** · 04-25-2015, 10:06 PM

Cam Tensioner Noise?

Hi Guys,

My 12000 Kms Karizma just started making a strange knocking sound. Ive made a recording of the sound below:

https://youtu.be/tuUpo7iWQaU

Can anyone guide me on what the exact issue may be. It just started about 30 minutes ago. I saw a video online that indicates that it may be a cam tensioner noise.

Is this the case? What is the best way to sort this out and what are the expenses to be incurred.

Other relevant info:

Bike worked fine till this occured.

Oil was changed around 500 kms ago. Synthetic 10w40 oil.

Any help you can provide will be appreciated. Cheers!!

**The Pain** · 04-26-2015, 02:06 PM

Re: Cam Tensioner Noise?

Originally posted by The Pain View Post

Hi Guys,

My 12000 Kms Karizma just started making a strange knocking sound. Ive made a recording of the sound below:

https://youtu.be/tuUpo7iWQaU

Can anyone guide me on what the exact issue may be. It just started about 30 minutes ago. I saw a video online that indicates that it may be a cam tensioner noise.

Is this the case? What is the best way to sort this out and what are the expenses to be incurred.

Other relevant info:

Bike worked fine till this occured.

Oil was changed around 500 kms ago. Synthetic 10w40 oil.

Any help you can provide will be appreciated. Cheers!!

Hi Guys, Any inputs would be great. Is the timing chain tensioner a part that is replaced under warranty?

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Originally posted by The Pain View Post

Hi Guys,

My 12000 Kms Karizma just started making a strange knocking sound. Ive made a recording of the sound below:

https://youtu.be/tuUpo7iWQaU

Can anyone guide me on what the exact issue may be. It just started about 30 minutes ago. I saw a video online that indicates that it may be a cam tensioner noise.

Is this the case? What is the best way to sort this out and what are the expenses to be incurred.

Other relevant info:

Bike worked fine till this occured.

Oil was changed around 500 kms ago. Synthetic 10w40 oil.

Any help you can provide will be appreciated. Cheers!!

Hi Guys, Any inputs would be great. Is the timing chain tensioner a part that is replaced under warranty?

**pratikraykar** · 04-26-2015, 03:50 PM

Re: Karizma Carburetor Slide Cleaning

Hi Aneesh,

Really liked your post,this was the exact same problem i was facing and i had to get my vacuum changed,but even after getting it changed from hero i still face a problem,the RPM is been set at 1500 rpm as now because if i keep it any lower the engine stalls the minute i press the clutch, and the biggest problem of keeping it at a higher RPM is the time i change gears the RPM will boost by 300-400 for 3-4 seconds,can you tell me what i need to look at in order to get this problem rectified,the guys in the SC are telling me to change my clutch plate as its been 9 years now and also change my piston ring because i have some vibration issues in my engine,but i fail to understand that how is this relevant with the problem that i am facing. I have planed to get this checked with a carburettor expert first but i would like your advice before i make a visit.

**s1d** · 04-27-2015, 01:02 AM

Re: Cam Tensioner Noise?

Originally posted by The Pain View Post

Hi Guys,

My 12000 Kms Karizma just started making a strange knocking sound. Ive made a recording of the sound below:

https://youtu.be/tuUpo7iWQaU

Looks like something is not right with the valve timing or clearances. Do get the tensioner,cam chain,valve clearances and the timing checked.
Only an inspection would pinpoint the issue.

**SriramEfunds** · 04-29-2015, 04:45 AM

Re: Cam Tensioner Noise?

Wierd but true..

My bike was making some cluttering noise during the gear shift and while going slow speed. Infact the chain rubbing was even more evident. The morning start and engaging first gear would be little more than normal with a loud sound and as if the front sprocket just loosened itself.

After a long time thought would give it some treatment, changed the engine oil to Shell AX7 10w40 and also replaced chain sprocket.

Observations:-

The gear shift is damn smooth. Idling is better than before, viberations have reduced and very evident on my footrest. Engine sounded mellowed...but the kind of sprint I used to do, is not the same. It is asking me to shift to 5th gear at 60kmph.

There is no chain noise nor any sound from the chain guard rubbing etc. I can feel the engine response with the turn of throttle.

After changing the above, couple of times, I had a bad experience that my rear used to wobble crazy, infact I pulled off the road only to find that the rear wheel alloy is all hot! Realized that the brake was tight. So loosened up a bit to get the wobble free ride. But that happened twice. Now the issue seem to be subdued. Well, I'm concerned with my next observation which is the acceleration. The previous engine oil used was Castrol mineral and 15w40. I would say it performed decent.

I have only done the water wash and changed the engine oil and chain sprocket, why am I feeling that the bike is not zooming like before..kind of sluggish? Could this be....
1. The engine oil needs to set in? Say need to take the bike beyond 6k RPM?
2. Could be because of chain sprocket is not fitted properly? (FYI.. I did rotate the rear wheel and it is moving free which out any catch today)
3. Or am I completely paranoid?

FYI.. I'm completely out reach via mobile, blame the handset.

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