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**Jagzxbhp** · 05-22-2016, 09:43 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by VR. View Post

[MENTION=41586]Divya Sharan[/MENTION], [MENTION=22265]SriramEfunds[/MENTION] sir, [MENTION=52772]AK3D[/MENTION] : Thanks a lot for all your support and valuable inputs on this issue.

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Rotor seems damaged, eroded too much , as per the picture.

**Saleh Talha** · 05-23-2016, 06:59 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

[MENTION=84140]Saleh Talha[/MENTION]

Sure you'll get help, however we are missing some crucial details such as bike age, odo done, known issues, bike condition, last serviced, oil used, etc.

Post the details so it helps to get an overview and try suggestions.

Thanks for the valuable response.

Bike's age is 7.5 yrs.

Odo is 58k+ kms.

Bike condition is 70%

Last service 2 weeks before.

Oil used is veedol 10w40 synthetic.

Thanks again.

**VR.** · 05-23-2016, 11:43 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Jagzxbhp View Post

Rotor seems damaged, eroded too much , as per the picture.

Got the rotor replaced around a month back.

I suspect that this uneven wear on the rotor is due to the uneven brake pads.

The reason for uneven brake pads I assume might be due to the previous rotor (which was replaced because it had scorings in it).

P.S : Brake Pads changed around 3 months back.

**Saleh Talha** · 05-24-2016, 08:14 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Saleh Talha View Post

Hello everyone.

I am new here with some issues regarding my karizma-R.
Please help me sorting out.

Issues are as follows.

1. Bike not gaining 70+ speed easily.

2. In 3rd gear some kind of noise is coming from the engine.

3. Also there is a lot of vibration at 40+ speed.

Please help.

Any prediction for above issues?

**RTR996** · 05-26-2016, 03:49 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Saleh Talha View Post

Any prediction for above issues?

PS: I Am Not A Zmatic, Replying Only Because You Are In Such A Hurry

Please Check Your Airfilter And Air fuel Ratio,clean Airfilter and Carburettor if necessary and Tune for optimum AFR.
Also Check Your Chain & Sprocket, If Wornout Please consider Replacement, Chain Must Be Cleaned & Lubed Properly
If Problems Still Persist it could be a chance of Engine Crying For A Rebore.
PS again: I am not a 4 Stroker, And I Could Be Wrong Too!

**Divya Sharan** · 05-26-2016, 04:06 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Saleh Talha View Post

Any prediction for above issues?

1. Bad air filter.
2. Dirty carb.
3. Bad clutch plates.
4. Worn out sprockets.
5. Bad engine oil.

**rreneav1987** · 05-26-2016, 04:58 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Saleh Talha View Post

Any prediction for above issues?

does this happen all of a sudden or does it happen all the time? I faced similar issue once and [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] sir explained the reason to me.. I am quoting the 3 year old post here for better understanding of what I faced.

Originally posted by psr View Post

What you had experienced is the Honda sticky Valve....it is a known problem in early Honda Motorcycles...what happens is , because of close tolerances in the Valve, seal, seat and guide, any sticky coating will cause the valves to become lazy in opening and closing...even bad Petrol will have the same effect...after a spirited run the valves will become free and everything will become normal....one way to check is ,when the problem arises,..to try and kick start the engine...you will feel the kicker going down freely as if in decompression mode....I and many other members have gone through this problem before.....it happens mainly on humid conditions, late evening or mornings , esp., after a ride and stop for a break.....where the effect is more than normal, the engine cannot be started, and after resting for 5~10 minutes, bike will start and no further problem will happen...till the next time....anyway nothing to worry since with usage after a few hundred Kms the problem totally disappears...

But this is only if it happens some times.. Otherwise, what are the other things that your bike shows? Smoking? have you checked the oil level? how old is your bike?

**Saleh Talha** · 05-27-2016, 11:20 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by RTR996 View Post

PS: I Am Not A Zmatic, Replying Only Because You Are In Such A Hurry

Please Check Your Airfilter And Air fuel Ratio,clean Airfilter and Carburettor if necessary and Tune for optimum AFR.
Also Check Your Chain & Sprocket, If Wornout Please consider Replacement, Chain Must Be Cleaned & Lubed Properly
If Problems Still Persist it could be a chance of Engine Crying For A Rebore.
PS again: I am not a 4 Stroker, And I Could Be Wrong Too!

I approched to a mechanic regarding this issue 3 weeks before he done the full service and suggested me following on my demand.

1. Air filter is in working condition.

2. Carb. Is tuned well. Idle rpm is 1100.

3. Chain set is in good condition and lubricated.

4. Engine oil refilled is veedol Synthetic 10w40.

Though the above service is done the bike is not going easily 60+kmph and when trying to accelerate more lot of heat is feeled on the legs.

May be it is a time for rebore as my bike has done 58k+ kms. And its age is 7.5 yrs with optimum condition.

**Saleh Talha** · 05-27-2016, 11:30 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

1. Bad air filter.
2. Dirty carb.
3. Bad clutch plates.
4. Worn out sprockets.
5. Bad engine oil.

Thanks a lot for your valuable response.

But I would like to mention here that
1. Airfilter is good.
2. Carb. is serviced and cleaned by mechanic. Idle rpm is 1100.
3. Clutch plates are changed once till and in good working condition as there is no hard shifting of gears.
4. Chain set is also changed once till and in good working condition.
5. Engine oil refilled 3 weeks before at the time of servicing is Veedol synthetic 10w40.

Thank you

**Saleh Talha** · 05-27-2016, 11:35 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

does this happen all of a sudden or does it happen all the time? I faced similar issue once and [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] sir explained the reason to me.. I am quoting the 3 year old post here for better understanding of what I faced.

But this is only if it happens some times.. Otherwise, what are the other things that your bike shows? Smoking? have you checked the oil level? how old is your bike?

It happens all the time when i tracks on highway where i try to ride the bike above 100+ kmph.

Bike not smoking even at high rpms like 6k+ rpm.

Oil level is at max level.

Bike is 7.5 yrs old and have done 58k+ kms till now.

Thank you.

**Divya Sharan** · 05-27-2016, 11:39 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Saleh Talha View Post

3. Clutch plates are changed once till and in good working condition as there is no hard shifting of gears.

Just hard shifting doesn't mean that clutch plates are bad.
When your bike's speed doesn't increase relative to the RPM, it is time to look at clutch (and pressure) plates.

Just to be sure, do the following things:
In 4th gear, 3000 RPM should be 39 kmph, 4000 RPM should be 52 kmph, 5000 RPM should be 65 kmph (13 kmph per 1000 revs in the powerband).
In 5th gear, 3000 RPM should be 45-48 kmph, 4000 RPM should be 60-64 kmph, 5000 RPM should be 76-80 kmph (15-16 kmph per 1000 revs in the powerband).

If the figures on your bike are off by a noticeable margin, it is time to change clutch plates.

Originally posted by Saleh Talha View Post

May be it is a time for rebore as my bike has done 58k+ kms. And its age is 7.5 yrs with optimum condition.

Are the tappets set correct?
Both inlet and exhaust clearances must be 0.1mm and they must be set with a feeler gauge and not by hand!

**Saleh Talha** · 05-27-2016, 12:12 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Just hard shifting doesn't mean that clutch plates are bad.
When your bike's speed doesn't increase relative to the RPM, it is time to look at clutch (and pressure) plates.

Just to be sure, do the following things:
In 4th gear, 3000 RPM should be 39 kmph, 4000 RPM should be 52 kmph, 5000 RPM should be 65 kmph (13 kmph per 1000 revs in the powerband).
In 5th gear, 3000 RPM should be 45-48 kmph, 4000 RPM should be 60-64 kmph, 5000 RPM should be 76-80 kmph (15-16 kmph per 1000 revs in the powerband).

If the figures on your bike are off by a noticeable margin, it is time to change clutch plates.

Are the tappets set correct?
Both inlet and exhaust clearances must be 0.1mm and they must be set with a feeler gauge and not by hand!

Sir.

3 days before i've checked the rpm on 5th gear, the rpm needle was between 5 and 5.25 at 80-85 kmph.

Though i will test the rpm according to margin reference provided by you and upload the details soon.

Tappets are adjusted by mecahnic 3 weeks before by hand. But sometime it makes noise in 2nd gear.

Thanks a lot.

**rreneav1987** · 05-27-2016, 12:38 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Saleh Talha View Post

It happens all the time when i tracks on highway where i try to ride the bike above 100+ kmph.

Bike not smoking even at high rpms like 6k+ rpm.

Oil level is at max level.

Bike is 7.5 yrs old and have done 58k+ kms till now.

Thank you.

Can you check the spark plug cable condition?
Check if there is any blockage to the air inlet? Under the seat..
How is the sprocket condition?
Engine oil grade being used?
when was the carb last cleaned? since when are you facing this issue?

**Divya Sharan** · 05-27-2016, 01:05 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Can you check the spark plug cable condition?
Check if there is any blockage to the air inlet? Under the seat..
How is the sprocket condition?
Engine oil grade being used?
when was the carb last cleaned? since when are you facing this issue?

He has answered most the these queries in the previous page. http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...ml#post1233198
However, I feel he should should revert to mineral from the FS Veedol he's using currently.

**rreneav1987** · 05-27-2016, 01:11 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

He has answered most the these queries in the previous page. http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...ml#post1233198
However, I feel he should should revert to mineral from the FS Veedol he's using currently.

If the engine heats up, then it should be the problem with clutch plates.. Like you suggested..

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