Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Okay.. Agreed on both of your points. but i think the scenario is as follows.

- But, they have too many splendor and passion versions as of now. Few months ago, they were tired of this strategy and discontinued few such version too. So, there is no scope in launching again the same product.
- Remember, the segment size is fixed. If they launch another splendor or passion, buyers move from one model to another model. Its of no use. It just increases cost to manufacture and reduces margins further. R&D cost, advertising cost and all others for what? for reduced sales from existing models.
- They need more numbers, which they could get only by entering new segments, where they don't have anything now.
- Honda is the #1 in 2 wheeler sales in india now. Yes. Last month they overtook Hero. Read somewhere. They need numbers. More numbers.
- 200-250 CC is the new 150CC segment. Yamaha back then when they launched FZ16, they clearly said that this is the most growing segment and they want to be in that. Now, they launched a 250. Which clearly means that this is the new growing segment.
- P220 still sells in good numbers. Not at all bad. So, there is good market for cheaper 200+ cc bikes.
- The actual ZMA engine was from a Honda 250+ CC bike, which was lowered down to ~235CC (pre 2007? guessing. It was only ZMA then) initially for tax benefits and was further lowered to 223CC (post 2007 with new name ZMA-R) for better efficiency(IIRC). So, they could technically bore it up to a 250. No?

Think,
- Honda had a good success, when they launched the 150 Unicorn. It bought good numbers from that segment and they are back in business in 150CC category.
- Maybe Hero could have similar success by launching the old Zma - R version. It was a good hit back then, but its numbers were so minuscule when compared to their splendors, so it got bad treatment. But the margins on it were too high. may be more than from 3 splendors. The actual numbers weren't that bad either. they looked bad among the numbers of splendors and passions, which is quite understandable.
- The ZMA-R shares too many parts with splendor. Front forks, Tcone, and many other components, so they have many things in place already. Only few different parts needed for this new product.

Lets wait for a day more and see what they launch.

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Hey all the zma owners
post the average of your bike

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As far as I know Zma dose not share anything with splendor

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35 should be ideal under 50% traffic conditions. highways <80 should be ~42-45. highways above 80 should be ~30
And thats my babe, when new...

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the forks are same i believe. Also, the alloys were same as Xtreme. After few upgrades, xtreme now has different alloys. Earlier, the scenario was different.
the electrical components are almost same, with minor changes. thats true to all bikes though. No?

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In response to many queries here on the Karizma and N650...

1. The Valve clearance adjustment, ie., tappet adjustment is required at 3,000 to 6,000 Kms of use depending on the type of riding ..A person who revs the bike often would require the tappet adjustment more often than one who rides sedately.

2. The American Ninjas of the early times came with Carburetor. In fact in the early days, most American bikes used Carburetors ...

3. The Karizma has same engine as the Honda CRF230.. It is the overbored version of CRF 150 . Kits abroad are available for taking the CC to 250 with Crank case machining . This engine cannot be overbored reliably above this. The CRF250 is a different engine with LC...

4, The HH splendor speedo cable is direct replacement for Karizma speedo cable and lasts longer since it is slightly longer and flexible..

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Foam pad which fits inside front cowl.

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Can't argue on that Sir! Infact, the 2009 - 2012 Ninja 250 sold in the United States came with Carb.. But then I am talking about the Ninja 650 2013 - 2016.. and isn't safexbike being an Indian website offering Carb to FI bike? That makes me feel they aren't completely reliable! but yes, I haven't done shopping with them that can make me think otherwise!

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So took the bike to my mechanic for a thorough inspection and here are the things which need attention :

1. Entire bore kit needs to replaced (engine oil drying up and lot of noise from the valves)
2. Timing chain to be replaced
3. Clutch plates & clutch cable to be replaced
4. Valves to be replaced
5. Disk pads
6. Fork cone set and oil seals

These are just the major works and minor jobs like indicators, speedo not functioning etc etc. need attention as well. We called the Hero dealer for the engine bore kit and he said it costs around 3.6 K but is out of stock and in shortage, no time estimate given.

Just for the above works we have arrived at an estimate of 6 to 7 K which I am thinking is very high. I thought of using the bike if the engine is in good condition but that's the major thing that needs attention on the bike right now. My mechanic isn't suggesting to go ahead and spend so much.

What do the fellow owners have to say about this ? Should I take the plunge or give back the bike to my cousin. He is anyways trying to sell it off.

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which side?
Does it reduce fairing vibrations

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It is OE part and is present on all vehicles.i think it is for damping vibrations.

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see what i told you
they launched 2018 super splendor,passion pro and passion xpro

no 200cc bike,no zma
dont expect anything from them

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please do post the pic,when you install it on your bike

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I think you, yourself will be the right person to judge the situation and make a decision.

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Hi all,

Thinking of getting rid of the chain covers, but I know this will accelerate the chain wear and tear.
Has anybody changed the chain (with sproket) to the O-type (the ones that come with new bikes)?

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Thanks @Om1234 and @kris123456 for putting the details together.
The issues are very much true for Karizma and my experience is no different.

Every time I think of selling my Karizma off and buying another bike, I plan and take her for multiday trip.
After the trip I realize:-

1. Since it is a simple design (i.e. no FI, no sensors, no oil cooling ), there are less chances of it breaking down and relatively simple to fix.
2. Since it shares parts with other Hero bikes, with some juggad even at a non-Hero garage, I can make it to a nearby big city. Availability of the required parts is a question mark though, but at least I won't be stranded at a remote village.
3. Due to refined engine and balanced seating ergonomics, even after a days riding the fatigue levels are comparatively less.
4. If ridden with sane mind, it returns respectable mileage.
5. Since it a outdated now, it does not attract much of unwanted attention when parked in public places
6. Contrary to above point, as a owner, I have big wide smile every time I walk towards it. The design is timeless for me.
7. I bought for 98,000/- 5 years back without the need to break my bank.
8. There are tons of articles available on xbhp itself if you wish research about the bike
9. A few practical modifications (saddle bag stay..etc), and this bike keep take you to places without much issues.

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Lol. I had some hope. Now they proved they are a hopeless company.

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never loose hope bro
someday things will change
probably when we would be are in 60's