Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

sir a known one of mine working as a engineer in hero moto
haridwar uttarakhand,where hero bikes are assembled he told me that
"after a bike is discontinued,the company gives the order to a third company and third company sell them in hero packaging.
Earlier when zma was in production
if there was a mistake of 1cm in the part,no matter how much costly it is ,how much unit of that part produced, hero moto wont accept it.
As of now they dont look that all spares are perfect or not,they just sell them no matter
what it might be."
This might be the reason for decline in quality of hero original spares

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This is the reason why, many people get rid of their bikes, once the model is discontinued. Including me
There is no other choice. Yes, we can run the bike, but the resale keeps dropping and more pain with respect to spares and service.

If they have launched next version of Zma, then situation would have been completely different. but they didn't want to.

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true ,i am also planning to keep my zma. for 1.5 years more,till i graduate.
After that i would be moving to other city for masters or job
then there i would get myself a new bike

but still i know a more hardcore fan of zma
who is riding zma since last 15 years
covered over 3.5 Lakhs kms total on his bike
when zma was discontinued he was 25 years old
He calculated that he would be riding zma
till age of 60
so thats 35 years from then
So he bought all the things which would be required to run zma for 35 years in a single go
to get all best quality spares
he has 10 full body kits, 20 clutch plates,25 timing chain,15 chain set to name a few
and all the parts which could be required to completely overhaul a zma 5 times.
considering he does a overhaul each after a span of 5-6 years
the total bill was around 5 lakhs
he was able to afford it ,as he had a good running family business
the biggest fan of zma i have met till now
is him

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Never heard of such a stupid person in my life. He could have bought 5 new ZMA's with that cost, which would have given him similar life.
Also, Mechanical parts in bikes keep changing in a good way. The new bikes are more powerful and more fuel efficient day by day. Its always wise to keep switching to newer ones after 4/5 years, if one runs ~10-15K kms in a year. Its economical and good for the environment too. Also, bikes run fine for the first 100000 Kms, without any issues. Just changing bore kits wont help in long run. other parts needs to be changed too. the gears take a major hit after 3 lakh kms. From where will he procure those?

- The Fuel injection technology increases power ~2-4 BHP for every 100 CC and Mileage by ~2-5.
- Trellis light weight frame could help in power increase too. lets say 1 bhp and FE increase by ~1 KMPL.
- The upcoming direct injection could increase power by almost 20% and increasing FE too.
- The future pressurized combustion could increase power and FE over 15% when compared to direct injection.
- The Turbo Charging and Super Charging technologies could help in increasing power by 50%.
We are seeing over 100% power increase if the above five technologies are implemented. The FE also goes up in the similar ratio. why should one stick to one old Carburetor bike?

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he only likes riding zma nothing else
absolutely nothing else
he is crazy about his zma
keeps it like a baby
and regarding spares of gears he has them too
all the cogwheel etc

as i said he has all parts to run zma for next 35 years ,no matter what get damaged he has all the neccessary things to get it replaced
including carb ,cdi unit as well

regarding implementation of newer technologies ,he can buy bike with latest technologies,
his elder brother has couple of superbikes
he has test ridden all but did not find anything near to zma.
many call him stupid,for wasting so much money but he always say one thing
"the feel,happiness and pleasure i get riding a zma
till now i havent found in any other bike till now ,and will continue to ride it till the end of my life"

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It is an interesting discussion. Nobody of us is sure till when the spares of Karizma will be available.
While speaking to one of the spares managers at one of the ASC, he mentioned that the Karizma's spare cost has tripled and Hero is making a good money by selling them.
Also, the upcoming Hero Xpulse shares a lot of parts with Karizma including the fuel tank. Using the existing inventory, they put together Xpluse in considerably less time for Milan Expo.

Also, I am not sure about the engine and its peripherals, but a few bits are shared among other bikes like Xtreme etc.

So there are hopes but nobody can confirm it.

Regarding some Karizma freak buying spares required for 35 years, I am bit surprised too. But then I think of a guy in my office who bought Triumph Daytona, a 10+ lakh bike and he rides it around the city most of the times as there is no race track near Pune to enjoy the true potential of the bike and long distance touring on it will be doable but it is not the best bike to do so!

So everybody has a choice how and on what they want to spend their money as far as the money gets them happiness.
I would surely like to get in touch with this Karizma freak. In case my Karizma needs any of the parts that he has in plenty, maybe I can request him to give me that part!
And if he is a money minded guy then he can surely reap good returns by just selling those parts (profit= selling cost - buying cost!)

The new bikes are fuel efficient, are powerful, are safe and great in many ways. But they are also costly, have technology that makes DIY jobs impossible etc.
A person like me who wishes to ride his bike on an everyday basis and also do multi-day tours, yet need a cost-effective option and can perform DIY jobs to learn about his bike, keep the servicing cost low and just to seek the happiness in fixing issues, keeping aside the cost and headache of parts shortage, Karizma ticks all the boxes.

It is the not best bike available out there, but people who own it and maintain it surely understand the joy this bike gets on every ride. Those who don't simply sell of and move on!

Just to add, Mr Bharadwaj Dayala is the first Indian to complete a solo trip around the world. any guesses for the bike he used? link
The team at the Overdrive Magzine ran 3 Indian made bikes nonstop continuously on a race track for 24 hours setting up a national record in year 2013 which is still valid. All the 3 bikes were same models, any guess which bike? link

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since when hero tripled cost of spare?
i got a original timing chain 2 year ago for 470
and yesterday i bought it for rs 490
minimal difference of rs 20

Xpulse- It would be a huge suprise for me
if hero launches it,hastur was showcased and was never launched ,i dont think so hero would launch anything more than 150 cc

That karizma freak ,he is one of the most rich person in his town surely he wont give anything to anyone
He knows about each and every screw of zma
Regardless of being so rich, that he can buy a. whole service centre ,he always do DIY without any sort of help
that shows his love for his bike

And yes mr. bharadwaj completed world tour on a yellow karizma r ,one the same engine
that shows the capability of zma

frankly speaking dont know about overdrive record but it must be a zma[emoji12]

zma is a flawless bike
if it spares were easliy available and bit cheap
if there was no breakage of body panels
if there was just some significant upgrades
i bet it would sell in huge number till date

most of people sold their zma
only because of its body and high cost of spares.

and the number of zma in india is decreasing very fast.

In last month i have seen 5 zma sold in scrap

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Dude, if this part is being used in other hero's bikes, then the price wont rise. But all specific parts of Zma will see a significant rise in prices.

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does anyone know the cost of karizma rocker set?

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Less than 500

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Dude, I think you have some misconception on the new vehicles being complex for DIY's. That's not true (With some Exceptions ).
The new bikes have most of the components attached to Fuel Tank and engine block, instead of other areas. You just need to remove more parts to gain access to them. Once you reach them, nothing is complex. Learning is a continuous process.
New bikes may be expensive, but we have to move towards them. i don't see these old bikes being allowed on our roads down the line. look at what happened in Delhi Smog. The air is not breathable. You want the whole nation to take this route? expect some serious clamp down of old vehicles by government soon.

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Has anyone used a fuel additive in zma
2t oil or something?
Any noticable differences?

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As I am planning the same modification to my 2005 Karizma ZMA, I have few doubts to be clarified before I go on with the full restoration.

1. How was the ride quality after this setup? Was it on the softer side in high speeds? I'm planning to do some highway trips and ghat roads need the ride to be assuring.
2. Is the speedometer assembly carried over from the Impulse or the Karizma? Is it a direct fit? Any other modifications required?
3. Any idea on which mudguard you used?

Thank you for your time.

Ridesh.J

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Hi,

1. Ride quality was stiff! My suggestion is to go for the same 18" dia wire spoke instead of 19". My 19" impulse setup loaded the front shocks and there was almost nil action.

2. I didnt change the speedo setup.

3. I used the zma mudguard with some minor mods. If u use an 18" dia wheel, no mods will be needed. .

Keep us updated about ur modification...

Cheers,

Karthik

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

The air filter box is oily when I checked it. Is it normal? Also my bike gives hiccups sometimes. Mostly after upshifting to second. What could be the problem?