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**santoosh** · 05-04-2011, 01:43 PM

The quality of the chain Matters ..Be it with the guard on or Off.

I have an R15 and a ZMa.. And maintain both the same way.

R15 -- DID O ring chain and Open--Its run 40k and its with stock sprokets and chain.
Wash and lube it every weekend.. Will last till 50k with ease.. Thats the quality of the chain.. No Loud noise even if Open.

ZMa - 19k with chain Guard .. 520 Pitch ordinary heavy rolon chain.. Makes hell noise even when the bike is Just rotated on main stand .Not oly mine , brand new bikes too.
Having the chain guard ,reduces the sound to a certain extent.. Avoids it getting dirty/mucky very quickly.
Lubing interval is longer compared to an Open chain.(By 200 kms or so).
Damage on sproket teeth is lesser to a large extent.

Even with all this the zma' chain will last oly till about 25k .. Not more.
I defintely want a lighter , stronger and quieter,chain and better sprokets for the zma.

@Racedeveloped / other bangalore Guys, U stay close to any HH showroom?

Santa

**Race_Developed** · 05-04-2011, 01:57 PM

@Santoosh there is a HH service center near my place...
But I dont service any of my bikes at a authorized service center.

**Shreeni0403** · 05-04-2011, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by santoosh View Post

The quality of the chain Matters ..Be it with the guard on or Off.

I have an R15 and a ZMa.. And maintain both the same way.

R15 -- DID O ring chain and Open--Its run 40k and its with stock sprokets and chain.
Wash and lube it every weekend.. Will last till 50k with ease.. Thats the quality of the chain.. No Loud noise even if Open.

ZMa - 19k with chain Guard .. 520 Pitch ordinary heavy rolon chain.. Makes hell noise even when the bike is Just rotated on main stand .Not oly mine , brand new bikes too.
Having the chain guard ,reduces the sound to a certain extent.. Avoids it getting dirty/mucky very quickly.
Lubing interval is longer compared to an Open chain.(By 200 kms or so).
Damage on sproket teeth is lesser to a large extent.

Even with all this the zma' chain will last oly till about 25k .. Not more.
I defintely want a lighter , stronger and quieter,chain and better sprokets for the zma.

@Racedeveloped / other bangalore Guys, U stay close to any HH showroom?

Santa

By any chance did you check if R15 chain/sprocket can be a retro on ZMA?

P200/220's rear sprocket is a straight fit but the O-Ring chain of Pulsar's will be short by 2 or 3 links. And again no comments on quality.

Originally posted by Race_Developed View Post

@Santoosh there is a HH service center near my place...
But I dont service any of my bikes at a authorized service center.

Can we know ur name and where do u stay.

**Race_Developed** · 05-04-2011, 02:56 PM

@Shreeni : My name is Asif (that's was my previous id before the site crashed)...i stay on Bannerghatta Road.
Was a silent observer on the forum till 3 years back when i was working in Delhi, but now am back in Bangalore.

**santoosh** · 05-04-2011, 03:25 PM

Hmmm , wanted some parts , I have a HH show room very close to my house , But my timings dont allow me :-(

Needed a Tank rubber and Bolt , Mine seems not ok and I get Free crazy massage on my thighs .
These parts are rare , so wanted to check if its available.

Santa

**BOND_001** · 05-04-2011, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

Is that an oil seal? and you can order tappet bold,drain bolt and other things,but its hard to get O rings.because they come in a pack of 10 or 20 and we only need one for our bike,so they don't order it or if we are willing to buy the whole pack they will order it.and all the o rings will cost you nearly 500rs.yesterday i had gone to svc for picking up my gaskets and some others,i had ordered o rings,but it didn't came,when asked, they told me this.

so you're saying that that part is not available.?

is there an alternative for the above part.
btw, it is the 7th one.

**Aneesh@4GHz** · 05-04-2011, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by BOND_001 View Post

so you're saying that that part is not available.?

is there an alternative for the above part.[ATTACH]42236[/ATTACH]
btw, it is the 7th one.

Yes,here i cant get that part alone.

If it is not available at your place ,then took it to the svc,they will get it in anyway.

**adarshkr** · 05-06-2011, 05:13 PM

What is the mileage of new karizma r 2011 if we ride at 50-60kmph constatnly..is there any improvement in mileage as compared to previous model...??planning to buy it next month..

**SriramEfunds** · 05-06-2011, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by adarshkr View Post

What is the mileage of new karizma r 2011 if we ride at 50-60kmph constatnly..is there any improvement in mileage as compared to previous model...??

I would think ZMA is a performance touring bike. Your question would have been more appropriate if that was pointed towards a commuter. The new ZMA sports in cosmetic change and there is zilch change to the engine, so would think it would be the same mileage of previous model.

Originally posted by adarshkr View Post

planning to buy it next month..

Oh, you mean to say it is readily available off the shelf in your town/city? Interesting.....

**Naveen1985** · 05-06-2011, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

Oh, you mean to say it is readily available off the shelf in your town/city? Interesting.....

yes zma is readily available in some parts of delhi and haryana.....

**psr** · 05-06-2011, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

I would think ZMA is a performance touring bike. Your question would have been more appropriate if that was pointed towards a commuter. The new ZMA sports in cosmetic change and there is zilch change to the engine, so would think it would be the same mileage of previous model.

The Karizma of 2004 and before,had an aggressive ignition mapping to give better pickup, at the expense of mileage.Later from 2006 it was changed, and the Karizma R has a relatively passive ignition mapping..
The other change is to the number of friction plates in Karizma-R.The older non R models had 5 plates while from R the number of friction plates had been increased to 6 plates.
The timing chain had also been improved for longivity.
The ZMR timing chain is supposed to be the more stronger and cross compatible...No factual info on this available, so cannot confirm this.
The new ZMA s are giving much higher mileage than the older versions due to this.
Sane riding of 50-60 Kmph and proper maintenance can give close to 40 Kms/L easily.

**onlinesatish** · 05-06-2011, 10:40 PM

Are Zma's Chain cover / guard hard to get? tried few months back did'nt get it. not using the Zma much so i didnt bother. and now it sound's like a rattle snake

Tried to weld it, but it did'nt hold for more than a month. Hw much does the chain cover cost anyway?

@santoosh

When did you get a Zma?

**adarshkr** · 05-06-2011, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

I would think ZMA is a performance touring bike. Your question would have been more appropriate if that was pointed towards a commuter. The new ZMA sports in cosmetic change and there is zilch change to the engine, so would think it would be the same mileage of previous model.

Oh, you mean to say it is readily available off the shelf in your town/city? Interesting.....

yes it is so because its delhi and you can get anything off the shelf..

**SriramEfunds** · 05-06-2011, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by Naveen1985 View Post

yes zma is readily available in some parts of delhi and haryana.....

I envy.

Originally posted by adarshkr View Post

yes it is so because its delhi and you can get anything off the shelf..

Nice to know about Delhi thing Adarsh

**SriramEfunds** · 05-07-2011, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by psr View Post

The new ZMA s are giving much higher mileage than the older versions due to this.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I've read about the ignition in the pre-2004 models which used to be slightly advanced so the mileage aspect fell much below expectation. Also it is known that pre 2004 ZMA models had more Japanese components than the latter model.

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