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  • The only reason i see why people remove the stock chain cover is that the chain on the ZMA is lengthy and hits the chain case even when there is little slack in the chain.

    I think the other pics show a plastic chain cover and there is no comparison of weight reduction to the stock chain case.Its very obvious.

    @kaynmantis am still stumped.....what you are going to achieve from this setup on the bike...
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    • Originally posted by Race_Developed View Post
      @kaynmantis am still stumped.....what you are going to achieve from this setup on the bike...
      Ever clean your chain regularly?.

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      • Originally posted by santoosh View Post
        Tensioner is 420 rs .. Not 373 :-(
        Yeah,excluding VAT.

        Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
        @Aneesh :- Can you just let me know the benefit of having half chain cover on ZMA?

        Is it the style?
        Is it more convenient to clean?
        Reducing some amount of weight on rear stay?
        I think you had already told the answers.As a style,also easy to inspect,clean and lube chain as necessary,if its closed,you wont spend yur time for opening and cleaning it + 1 or 2kg weight reduction.just my thoughts......

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        • Originally posted by kaynmantis View Post
          What do you mean by this one? Full naked is better than this.

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          • Originally posted by kaynmantis View Post
            Ever clean your chain regularly?.
            The pics posted earlier were reference of what i had done on my bike.
            Its still very much accessible and can be cleaned easily without turning even a bolt.

            (Noting to offend) but the setup (mini-chain cover) on your bike looks only to cover the rear sprocket.
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            • Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post
              .As a style,also easy to inspect,clean and lube chain as necessary,if its closed,you wont spend yur time for opening and cleaning it + 1 or 2kg weight reduction.just my thoughts......
              An open chain gets dirty faster than a closed chain system..+ the sprockets also wear out faster....The chain Guard as it's name implies is there for a reason.
              When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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              • Originally posted by psr View Post
                An open chain gets dirty faster than a closed chain system..+ the sprockets also wear out faster....The chain Guard as it's name implies is there for a reason.
                You are true but still why many Indian bikes are coming with Half chain guard? also if the owner is read to clean it regularly will it be a problem?

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                • hey aneesh, could you get me a spare for my bike?.it's just a small rubber thing in he cylinder head.

                  part no 12271-383-000 -rubber,oil seal
                  byw is there cruicial parts of the zma in kollam?,i need some rubber,o ring for tappet bolt, tappet bolt/drainbolt etc

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                  • Originally posted by BOND_001 View Post
                    hey aneesh, could you get me a spare for my bike?.it's just a small rubber thing in he cylinder head.

                    part no 12271-383-000 -rubber,oil seal
                    byw is there cruicial parts of the zma in kollam?,i need some rubber,o ring for tappet bolt, tappet bolt/drainbolt etc
                    Is that an oil seal? and you can order tappet bold,drain bolt and other things,but its hard to get O rings.because they come in a pack of 10 or 20 and we only need one for our bike,so they don't order it or if we are willing to buy the whole pack they will order it.and all the o rings will cost you nearly 500rs.yesterday i had gone to svc for picking up my gaskets and some others,i had ordered o rings,but it didn't came,when asked, they told me this.

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                    • Originally posted by kaynmantis View Post
                      Ever clean your chain regularly?.
                      You can very well clean the chain with half case !!

                      Originally posted by Race_Developed View Post
                      The only reason i see why people remove the stock chain cover is that the chain on the ZMA is lengthy and hits the chain case even when there is little slack in the chain.

                      I think the other pics show a plastic chain cover and there is no comparison of weight reduction to the stock chain case.Its very obvious.
                      Other reason, when u put wider tyre it rubs the original case

                      Originally posted by Race_Developed View Post
                      @kaynmantis am still stumped.....what you are going to achieve from this setup on the bike...
                      +1

                      Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post
                      You are true but still why many Indian bikes are coming with Half chain guard? also if the owner is read to clean it regularly will it be a problem?
                      Bikes that come with half chain case has a O-RING Sealed chain. Anyway the maintainance on Open Chain is much more than Closed Chain.

                      But there is one plus with open chain case. If your chain is weak or if it gets cut (due to bad luck) at high speeds then in cover chain case chances of you falling is high. In open case the chain will fall down.

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                      • Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post
                        What do you mean by this one? Full naked is better than this.
                        Freshly oiled chain will spin oils and splash over your pants or the bike, that thing is there for a good reason.

                        Originally posted by Race_Developed View Post
                        The pics posted earlier were reference of what i had done on my bike.
                        Its still very much accessible and can be cleaned easily without turning even a bolt.

                        (Noting to offend) but the setup (mini-chain cover) on your bike looks only to cover the rear sprocket.
                        Re: covering rear s[rockets, as explained above, protection from splashing is required only from rear sprockets. btw, its much easier to clean/lube chain from both top and bottom and not only half. I have taken this in consideration.

                        Originally posted by psr View Post
                        An open chain gets dirty faster than a closed chain system..+ the sprockets also wear out faster....The chain Guard as it's name implies is there for a reason.
                        True, but closed chain does not MOST IMPORTANTLY tell you the condition of the chain. What you don't see, you don't know. I bet closed chain folks hardly clean/lube their chain. Before anyone jumps to saying "Its not required as often". I say how often do they check, lube or clean. Once in a month, once in 6 months, in a year etc. Some never cleans them and thinks service center takes care of them. That is IF they regularly service. Often service center people will lube them. Not clean them.

                        My bike had cover initially, within two weeks, the chain was so dirty I had to open everything and clean them, so open seems a better option. Besides chain covers looks nerdy. Granted, the cover does protects better than open, but not by a big margin. Dust and grime has a way of finding its way inside every nook and corner. And dust can act like fine sand paper. So merely lubing is not good enough, you need them to clean them as well.

                        If you care for the chain condition, then even covered chain requires lubing/cleaning at least once in a month. If you don't care, it'll still run. I have come across people who have never cleaned their chain. My brother use open chain, he never cleaned it since purchasing the bike in three years. Its still running. But I don't want something thats simply running, I like my machine in good condition.
                        Last edited by kaynmantis; 05-04-2011, 11:20 AM.

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                        • ^^^ i bet many manufacturers are listening and will take this point into consideration...LOL
                          Buddy understand a full chain cover is any day better than half/mini/no chain cover. i never wanted to do away with the chain case but had to... and still not fully satisfied with the half chain cover but there is no other option....
                          When the chain is covered its not going to get as dirty as when its open and hence the cleaning interval required is much lesser.

                          Its ones opinion and can't be changed. But listening to 100 people saying the same is no harm...
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                          • Originally posted by kaynmantis View Post
                            True, but closed chain does not MOST IMPORTANTLY tell you the condition of the chain. What you don't see, you don't know.

                            If you don't care enough even a open chain will be the victim of neglect.

                            I bet closed chain folks hardly clean/lube their chain. Before anyone jumps to saying "Its not required as often". I say how often do they check, lube or clean. Once in a month, once in 6 months, in a year etc. Some never cleans them and thinks service center takes care of them. That is IF they regularly service. Often service center people will lube them. Not clean them.
                            I had bought a pre-owned ZMA a month back maintained only by HH SVC.It had loud chain noise and I found the chain to be clean and oiled...I applied Catrol bearing Grease and after 100 Kms the noise had come down at least by 50%.Though what HH SVC did is accepted practice, it did not serve the purpose adequately.
                            I have a KB100 which had done 1,30,000 + Kms in which only 4 times the chain and sprockets have been changed..and personally looked after ,since the first month of purchase. It has closed chain& sprockets and I lube them every 1,000Kms,and clean every 5,000Kms...

                            My bike had cover initially, within two weeks, the chain was so dirty I had to open everything and clean them, so open seems a better option. Besides chain covers looks nerdy. Granted, the cover does protects better than open, but not by a big margin. Dust and grime has a way of finding its way inside every nook and corner. And dust can act like fine sand paper. So merely lubing is not good enough, you need them to clean them as well.

                            True, but cleaning and lube are dependent on the conditions in which the bike is used.

                            If you care for the chain condition, then even covered chain requires lubing/cleaning at least once in a month. If you don't care, it'll still run. I have come across people who have never cleaned their chain. My brother use open chain, he never cleaned it since purchasing the bike in three years. Its still running. But I don't want something thats simply running, I like my machine in good condition.
                            Good of you to take care of your bike
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                            • Originally posted by Race_Developed View Post
                              When the chain is covered its not going to get as dirty as when its open and hence the cleaning interval required is much lesser.
                              True but when it is closed people don't bother to clean it or even few don't bother to lube it. Thats what Kaynmantis is trying to tell. Its good to keep it open, take ur time to clean and lubricate it. Its applicable only to those who are ready to make their hands dirty and clean the chain and lube it.

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                                Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
                                True but when it is closed people don't bother to clean it or even few don't bother to lube it. Thats what Kaynmantis is trying to tell. Its good to keep it open, take ur time to clean and lubricate it. Its applicable only to those who are ready to make their hands dirty and clean the chain and lube it.
                                +1....

                                Personally i opted for chain cover after 3 years, firstly it looks good...

                                after opting the chain cover I have started taking care of the same....

                                Before that I was never concerned and never looked at it....

                                AS once what happened was the servicing of bike was done and they did

                                not see the chain or they where least bothered....

                                I somewhere felt the chain was loose but ignored it as i dint see it by my eyes.

                                But once at 1 am i was riding back home....on quiet road....I was able to hear the chain was rubbing to the chain guard...

                                so that was the biggest reason...I personally opted half chain cover..

                                As aneesh suggested Enticer chain cover was a direct fit....but made a hole for the same...

                                Thanks Aneesh for your help .
                                Last edited by BiKeLovER; 05-04-2011, 12:31 PM.
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