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**ashwinprakas** · 06-24-2011, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

Still confused.Bro can you explain it in a simple way?

Active acceleration....
Im at standstill and i want to race so i rip the bike to reach a particular speed.

Passive acceleration....
I want to go to the market and i have lots and lots of time so i go leasurely.

**Aneesh@4GHz** · 06-24-2011, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

Active acceleration....
Im at standstill and i want to race so i rip the bike to reach a particular speed.

Passive acceleration....
I want to go to the market and i have lots and lots of time so i go leasurely.

Sudden Acceleration

Gentle Accelration

Simple.

**psr** · 06-24-2011, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

So my SVC uses Veedol fork oils,Is that ok? or should i buy any other? HOw much oil should we use on one fork?160 or 150ml?

Veedol is a good oil...my mech used 160ml..these mechs use what is available in market.

**Aneesh@4GHz** · 06-24-2011, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

Veedol is a good oil...my mech used 160ml..these mechs use what is available in market.

Ok,will get Veedol and will check manual for oil amount,Thanks sir,Will post results after change.

**ashwinprakas** · 06-24-2011, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

Sudden Acceleration

Gentle Accelration

Simple.

NICE.

**asif** · 06-24-2011, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

Yes,but i would like to know whether it makes any changes to my gear.

Guys,check out new Karizma-R's Battery compartment Area.Seems like its completely different from Older versions.

Just kidding guys.

Sorry aswinprakas

The quality of the plastic and parts seem to be improved on the newer bikes or is it just that its all new...

**pabi** · 06-24-2011, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

Get ZMR's Maintenance Free Tensioner,Its only 420RS and a direct fit.

I am using it in my karizma.

i heard its price is around 1.5K-2K . if its 420 then thats the best option . thnx bro.

**santoosh** · 06-25-2011, 12:04 AM

144.5 ml each iirc is hh says

**SriramEfunds** · 06-25-2011, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

For those who dont understand....
Active acceleration is when you RACE.
Passive acceleration is when you TOUR.

I learned something today. Well, this is also understood as redlining in every gear and gradual acceleration.

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

Ok,will get Veedol and will check manual for oil amount,Thanks sir,Will post results after change.

Aneesh, Veedol, Penzoil, Motul are good. There are also some local make fork oil, however, the difference you'll make out only in the long run (lasting). Have tried Motul & Penzoil on my RX and they are good.

**ashwinprakas** · 06-25-2011, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

I learned something today. Well, this is also understood as redlining in every gear and gradual acceleration.

Not exactly redlining.. But close... Active acceleration can be done in run in also i.e after warmup...

**kaynmantis** · 06-25-2011, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

Yup bro.. Cause we'r not riding in space...
Cause in active acceleration wind resistance is greater thus it takes 4000 to reach 60.. Where as in passive acceleration theres less wind resistance so it does 60 at 3500... Simple as that..

Its not as simple as that. I still maintain that RPM vis-a-vis Kmph cannot change unless there is something wrong. That is like saying the hands on a mechanical clock will move differently at different speed. No, the minute/hour hands on a mechanical clock will do the same minute hour rotation no matter how fast you wind them. i.e. the hour hand will always move by one hour every time the minute hand make a complete 360 rotation. Same principle.

Now coming back to the RMP thing, the wheel will always rotate the same at a given RPM for a given gear. What you are saying is not possible unless the clutch is weak resulting in engine spinning more than it should. Like depressing the clutch partially will make engine rev more while your speed is slow. Oh yes, this can also happen if clutch is not properly adjusted, meaning its too tight resulting in partial engagement.

**Aneesh@4GHz** · 06-25-2011, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by asif View Post

The quality of the plastic and parts seem to be improved on the newer bikes or is it just that its all new...

Didnt checked plastic quality,but seems like the metal quality is lower when compared to older models,just my thought.

Originally posted by pabi View Post

i heard its price is around 1.5K-2K . if its 420 then thats the best option . thnx bro.

Old ZMA's tensioner is was nearly 2200rs one year back,ZMR's is a direct fit.So go and get it.

Originally posted by santoosh View Post

144.5 ml each iirc is hh says

S0 150 is more than enough.Right? Then why mechs put 160ML?

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

Aneesh, Veedol, Penzoil, Motul are good. There are also some local make fork oil, however, the difference you'll make out only in the long run (lasting). Have tried Motul & Penzoil on my RX and they are good.

Thanks for the reply bro,Motul oils are not available here ,so i will go for Veedol.

**ashwinprakas** · 06-25-2011, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by kaynmantis View Post

Its not as simple as that. I still maintain that RPM vis-a-vis Kmph cannot change unless there is something wrong. That is like saying the hands on a mechanical clock will move differently at different speed. No, the minute/hour hands on a mechanical clock will do the same minute hour rotation no matter how fast you wind them. i.e. the hour hand will always move by one hour every time the minute hand make a complete 360 rotation. Same principle.

Lol.. The clock rotates at the same time phase no matter hw fast or slow we wind it.. Thats not rocket science, its so because our energy isnt directly transfered to the moving needle... Its transfered and stored in a passive state by the wind coil which is later on transfered to the needle... In a bike the entire scenereo is different, cause in a bike energy isnt stored...

Now coming back to the RMP thing, the wheel will always rotate the same at a given RPM for a given gear. What you are saying is not possible unless the clutch is weak resulting in engine spinning more than it should. Like depressing the clutch partially will make engine rev more while your speed is slow. Oh yes, this can also happen if clutch is not properly adjusted, meaning its too tight resulting in partial engagement.

Try going up an incline and try going downhill there will be a difference.. as is said.... Driving terrain has an influence too....

**psr** · 06-25-2011, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by kaynmantis View Post

Now coming back to the RPM thing, the wheel will always rotate the same at a given RPM for a given gear. What you are saying is not possible unless the clutch is weak resulting in engine spinning more than it should. Like depressing the clutch partially will make engine rev more while your speed is slow. Oh yes, this can also happen if clutch is not properly adjusted, meaning its too tight resulting in partial engagement.

You have answered the issue...Thanks

**abhijeet080808** · 06-25-2011, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

Try going up an incline and try going downhill there will be a difference.. as is said.... Driving terrain has an influence too....

Originally posted by psr View Post

You have answered the issue...Thanks

PSR, there is more to it than what meets the eye. Theoretically, it is impossible, but practically a difference comes up. Any idea why is that?

(On my R15 with 165cc block, all stock rpm-speed values have gone for a toss - in every gear, I can reach the same speed with lower rpms!)

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