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  • Originally posted by sinnerz2000 View Post
    Maybe u guys are using a low grade oil which is losing its viscosity at high temps, is ur oil 10w30?
    Vishak bro => Shell AX5 10W40.
    Jerin bro => Gulf Pride 4T Plus 20W40.
    Sriram sir => IIRC At the time he was using Motul 7100 10W40.
    Me => Motul 5100 15W50.
    Motorcycling Experience:
    2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
    2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
    2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
    2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
    2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
    2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

    The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
    Adios Comrades!
    A.P. 2018

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    • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
      I have been using 10w40 FS oil since more than 10000 kms. Just some 150 kms back I changed to Honda Throttle 10w30 Fully Synthetic. I don't think its the issue with oil. My bike is 63k kms old.
      How about the timing chain?

      Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
      Vishak bro => Shell AX5 10W40.
      Jerin bro => Gulf Pride 4T Plus 20W40.
      Sriram sir => IIRC At the time he was using Motul 7100 10W40.
      Me => Motul 5100 15W50.
      Hmm then its not oil issue
      Last edited by The Monk; 02-16-2013, 02:07 PM. Reason: Back to back posts

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      • why don't they give tubeless tyres on this beautiful machine?
        anybody tried replacing the custom tyres with tubeless ones?

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        • Originally posted by HotShot View Post
          why don't they give tubeless tyres on this beautiful machine?
          anybody tried replacing the custom tyres with tubeless ones?
          You can go for tubeless if u wish as karizma has alloy rims. But best would be to use a good tyre+a tuff up tube from honda, this will be very tough to puncture.

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          • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
            PSR sir, for the past two days, I have been using kick starter to start the bike in the morning. After 3 initial kicks with ignition off, and then started the bike using kick with choke on (had to). The bike started smooth without the metallic sound from the head area. Need to open the clutch case and check for any clog in oil circulation. Any thoughts on what exactly could be the problem?

            And there is a sharp metallic noise at idle, when the engine is hot. I have been noticing this since a long time. This sound comes from the piston/bore area. Is that a piston slap or valves touching piston? And this metal sound comes only when the engine is very hot. Any inputs?

            And replaced the old G-power plug with new one. When I tightened it turned approximately half of full turn. And I couldn't tighten it any further. Guess I should not worry about the crushing/flattening of the ring.
            I feel it is due to the 10w30 oil that you are facing the metallic sound issue....In cars for older engines the recommended grade is 20w50 and they warn that if you use thinner oils there will be rattling noise and leaks..ie., meaning that a thicker oil is preferred...and after 63K Kms I think the same applies to your engine also...stick to 15w40 or 20w40 and do not use thinner oils. After running true for so many Kms the engine moving parts tolerance will be more than stock and this i think is causing the problem for you...
            When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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            • Originally posted by psr View Post
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              That sounds like the Timing Chain Tensioner. Change soon or it may warp your timing and cause expense

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              • Sure its timing chain? Cause it goes away with load. I was thinking along the lines of slack in conrod bearings.
                Motorcycling Experience:
                2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                Adios Comrades!
                A.P. 2018

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                • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                  Sure its timing chain? Cause it goes away with load. I was thinking along the lines of slack in conrod bearings.
                  Not timing chain. The TIMING CHAIN TENSIONER. Its what keeps the timing chain from getting extra slack. Its near the starter motor. If the noise was from any conrod component, the noise would have been permanent, I think.

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                  • Originally posted by psr View Post
                    I feel it is due to the 10w30 oil that you are facing the metallic sound issue....In cars for older engines the recommended grade is 20w50 and they warn that if you use thinner oils there will be rattling noise and leaks..ie., meaning that a thicker oil is preferred...and after 63K Kms I think the same applies to your engine also...stick to 15w40 or 20w40 and do not use thinner oils. After running true for so many Kms the engine moving parts tolerance will be more than stock and this i think is causing the problem for you...
                    I have been using this Honda Throttle FS 10w30 oil very recently from just 250 kms. Previously I had been using 10w40 Sprinta FS. This metallic sound was there when using the 10w40 too. Its been there since 7-8k kms.

                    Feedback on Honda Throttle 10w30. Its better than regular 10w30 oil, bike warms up easily being thin oil. And compared to Sprinta 5000 10w40 FS, I felt both are almost similar, but Honda oil has better pickup slightly, may be because its a thin oil compared to Sprinta. Even the fuel efficiency level went up 2-3 kmpl compared to Sprinta FS.

                    Those who are using regular 10w30 grade, can go for this oil.
                    HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                    Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                    Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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                    • I too have the same noise coming from my engine which has done 5000kms, but as per my friend he too had this sound when his engine was new and now its a lot better after 20000 kms hopw it will be the same with me. I changed my oil from Gulf20w40 to Throttle10w30 and now the accileration has improved considerably engine feels much more lively and free reving, while I was using the gulf oil never felt the engine is this much capable but on 20w40 the bike was a bit more silent but felt a lot of drag in the engine anyway I am happy with Hondas synthetic oil and hope it will do its duty well.

                      Today bike didnt restart after a good high speed short run, cranked it couple of times the bike did start but died after few seconds like there was no petrol, so I opened the fuel filler cap and started and the bike was back to normal. I was thinking that after hearing so many same experience from other Karizma owners that I was lucky not to get the same issue but unfortunately the story is same all over the place any way its my wings and do under stand that the wings gets tired once in a while same like everything

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                      • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                        I have been using this Honda Throttle FS 10w30 oil very recently from just 250 kms. Previously I had been using 10w40 Sprinta FS. This metallic sound was there when using the 10w40 too. Its been there since 7-8k kms.
                        In that case try changing the Timing chain Tensioner , and see if the sound repeats....if it does then something else,.... Timing Chain, cam,Valves,guides needs to be looked into...
                        When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                        • @Psr sir,
                          I was thinking about trying Diesel engine oil after going through your posts, but since my oil change is not due for another 3k's more, thought about trying it on my Zen since its due for an oil change. And on some googling this is what I stumbled upon.

                          Dear Ashwin,
                          Just tried to google and here it is:

                          Can I use diesel engine oil in my petrol engine?

                          This is an awkward question to answer. Diesel engines run much higher compression ratios than petrol engines and they run a lot hotter, so the oil is formulated to deal with this. Plus they produce a lot more dirt in terms of combustion by-products. Diesel-rated oils typically have more detergents in them to deal with this (see Using Diesel oil for flushing above). It's not unheard of for diesel oils to clean a petrol engine so well that it loses compression. Diesel-rated oils also have an anti-foaming agent in them which is unique to diesel engines, and not needed in petrol engines.
                          So is that the be-all and end-all answer? Well not really and that's why this is a difficult question to give a straight answer to. The above statement is more relevant to commercial diesel engines. Nowadays, just about all passenger car / light commercial oils (including OEM ones designed for both petrol and diesel engines) will carry the ACEA A and B specifications. ie. formulated to satisfy the requirements for both types of engine. So just because the oil is labelled "Diesel" doesn't mean it's not suitable for petrol engines - it will more than likely carry an ACEA A3 / OEM petrol spec as well.
                          However you do need to be a bit careful regarding choosing the right diesel spec - if you have a modern common rail / direct injection diesel, chances are it will require at least an ACEA B4 spec to cope with the higher piston temperatures that can cause piston deposits (and stuck rings). ACEA B4 is fine where B3 is recommended.
                          Another reference I found is at Difference between Petrol an Diesel Oils? [Archive] - XPowerForums - For MG, XPower & Motorsport Enthusiasts
                          So, whatever happened is very serious but at the same time its good that probably there is no much harm to the engine.
                          Am abit confused about the "cleaning out compression" part. Should I be worried?
                          Motorcycling Experience:
                          2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                          2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                          2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                          2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                          2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                          2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                          The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                          Adios Comrades!
                          A.P. 2018

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                          • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                            @Psr sir,
                            I was thinking about trying Diesel engine oil after going through your posts, but since my oil change is not due for another 3k's more, thought about trying it on my Zen since its due for an oil change. And on some googling this is what I stumbled upon.

                            Am abit confused about the "cleaning out compression" part. Should I be worried?
                            You should be worried, since your facts are not clear to you....My personal opinion to you...don't experiment with anything different from stock,till you are aware of what you are walking into, and have the knowledge to offset any setback in your experiments...
                            When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                            • Originally posted by psr View Post
                              You should be worried, since your facts are not clear to you....My personal opinion to you...don't experiment with anything different from stock,till you are aware of what you are walking into, and have the knowledge to offset any setback in your experiments...
                              For the time being planning to go for this, the spec says its suitable for both Petrol and Diesel blocks, nothing about ZDDP is mentioned though.

                              Motorcycling Experience:
                              2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                              2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                              2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                              2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                              2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                              2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                              The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                              Adios Comrades!
                              A.P. 2018

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                              • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                                For the time being planning to go for this, the spec says its suitable for both Petrol and Diesel blocks, nothing about ZDDP is mentioned though.

                                http://www.lubadmin.com/upload/produ...ang_5/1169.pdf
                                Read this...

                                When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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