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**rreneav1987** · 06-18-2013, 10:20 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by psr View Post

The front Disc brake is quite sharp, and once my ZMA did a stoppie in traffic, when a tourist taxi did a sudden stop,without brake lights .
If the braking is not good, then check the brake Pads(wear), brake disc(scoring and warp),and change brake oil to DOT4 ....

Sir.. the DOT4 brake fluid is not easily available in the market.. can you just tell me the difference between the DOT3 and DOT4??

**psr** · 06-18-2013, 10:40 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Sir.. the DOT4 brake fluid is not easily available in the market.. can you just tell me the difference between the DOT3 and DOT4??

Dot3 is older spec brake oil...it absorbs more moisture,has less stability, and deteriorates much faster( 6 months~1 year)...and it's wet and dry performance is lesser compared to DOT 4.
Dot 4 absorbs less moisture, has better thermal and compression stability,and deteriorates slowly both Wet and Dry conditions...(1~2 years or 12,000 Kms) .

Here is a very good link on brakes......

Car Bibles : The Brake Bible

**rreneav1987** · 06-18-2013, 10:43 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by psr View Post

Dot3 is older spec brake oil...it absorbs more moisture,has less stability, and deteriorates much faster( 6 months~1 year)...and it's wet and dry performance is lesser compared to DOT 4.
Dot 4 absorbs less moisture, has better thermal and compression stability,and deteriorates slowly both Wet and Dry conditions...(1~2 years or 12,000 Kms) .

Here is a very good link on brakes......

Car Bibles : The Brake Bible

Sounds good.. but it is not easily available.. if at all.. which brand to get??

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**veryhiphop** · 06-18-2013, 10:50 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Sounds good.. but it is not easily available.. if at all.. which brand to get??

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i recently buy the DOT4...of Castrol....and has change the same in my ZMR....

**rreneav1987** · 06-18-2013, 10:53 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post

i recently buy the DOT4...of Castrol....and has change the same in my ZMR....

Where did you get it from?? shop address please

any difference in braking after the change??

**veryhiphop** · 06-18-2013, 10:57 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Where did you get it from?? shop address please

any difference in braking after the change??

I got it from the shop near to Nafed building (near Aasram)....Shop no.102. Bhandari Motors...from same shop i got the Veedol Swift engine oil....

DOT4 Brake fluid seems to be good as compared to DOT3...braking too has improved...

**rreneav1987** · 06-18-2013, 11:01 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post

I got it from the shop near to Nafed building (near Aasram)....Shop no.102. Bhandari Motors...from same shop i got the Veedol Swift engine oil....

DOT4 Brake fluid seems to be good as compared to DOT3...braking too has improved...

Thats quite far from where I stay

I guess I will have to wait for the weekend to get it.. did the mechanics clean the oil pipe or something when changing the brake fluid?

**veryhiphop** · 06-18-2013, 11:06 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Thats quite far from where I stay

I guess I will have to wait for the weekend to get it.. did the mechanics clean the oil pipe or something when changing the brake fluid?

Drain complete brake fluid through a cloth or a pump..like a medicine dropper.....no need to open the pipes or get them empty....but it is recommended to change oil during a disc pad change...

i recently get my front disc pads changed...during that time i change to DOT4....for rear i just change oil...no disc pads as they still in very good condition...

**New guy** · 06-18-2013, 01:58 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Will ask Mech which grade oil was used when replacing brake fluid.
Compared to RTR where I had to just squeeze a few mm to feel the braking start, here I find the brakes to be a bit spongy at start and bite comes at end.
Maybe its more of adjusting to Zma's braking characteristics. And yes Engine braking is too good when you downshift.

The water drain hole under tank cap was clogged. Temporarily disconnected the pipe as it gets clogged very often in rains.

**psr** · 06-18-2013, 06:54 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by New guy View Post

Will ask Mech which grade oil was used when replacing brake fluid.
Compared to RTR where I had to just squeeze a few mm to feel the braking start, here I find the brakes to be a bit spongy at start and bite comes at end.
Maybe its more of adjusting to Zma's braking characteristics. And yes Engine braking is too good when you downshift.

The water drain hole under tank cap was clogged. Temporarily disconnected the pipe as it gets clogged very often in rains.

The water drain hole from the tank is routed to ground through a large rubber pipe...there is no way it can get clogged...I think you have a kink in the rubber tube in the middle near center of chassis...when I bought my ZMA as pre-owned I faced the same problem and found the kink in the rubber tube and straightened it...in two years never faced a repeat problem.... RTR and ZMA have different brake setup and feel...in ZMA the brake is progressive and grabs only when you increase the lever pressure to full...

**NIGHTMARE** · 06-18-2013, 08:36 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

I had same clogged issue once, so my Mech cut 4 to 5 cm pipe from top because some how the pipe was bent from any angle that why water was stuck on tank cap.

**ashwinprakas** · 06-19-2013, 11:50 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Took everything apart and cleaned every bit of the fuel line, installed a new fuel tap as well. The earlier mentioned bogging while accelerating after deacceleration is still there, happened after 70kms of riding. Why is it so?

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**preetham78** · 06-19-2013, 11:56 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

Took everything apart and cleaned every bit of the fuel line, installed a new fuel tap as well. The earlier mentioned bogging while accelerating after deacceleration is still there, happened after 70kms of riding. Why is it so?

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Does she gets off while in that stage or just boggs & becomes proper??

**ashwinprakas** · 06-19-2013, 12:04 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

When the bogging starts i just crack open the throttle and shes back on her feet. But even though she bogs, she does idle well. Something somewhere is fishy! Dad suspects the sp, but since its iridium i ruled it out, bit another thing to consider is that its approximately 30~40k old. But am reluctant to change it since its a self cleaning plug.

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**shirish** · 06-19-2013, 02:08 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by pixantz View Post

I got it for 1660/- without tube as my tube is new Dunlop one already so I didn't get a new one. But it would normally cost about 1750/- and about 2250/- with tube. Seems like medium compound. Real grippy. Its bliss after that awful Sirac Street.

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[MENTION=18406]pixantz[/MENTION]: Hows the wet grip of this Dunlop. The stock tire sucks big time. Also does dunlop have a profile for the front tire?

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