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  • Originally posted by sachin1111 View Post
    hi everyone!! I have done just about 2.5k with second service done.i regularly warm up engine for about a minute before departure in morning.my bike working satisfactory.The thing i have noticed is that after running about 20Km continuously from cold,bike feels slightly sluggish compared to when it was running initially.the engine sound feels touch higher after 20km and feels like it not as eager to move as it was during first 20km run in morning.in short engine feels bit stressed and needs little more throttle to get same pick up/performance.you wont notice the difference in engine sound level if you are wearing helmet bcoz difference is not high.what have been your experience and possible reason?i feel that 1)engine oil loosing its viscosity thus engine bit hotter offering more friction hence sluggish.2)silencer after it gets fully wormed up causes the change in sound level.

    also once i come to stop and turning off ignition key,there is a "Tuk Tuk" sound coming from silencer which lasts for 3-4 minutes.

    Dude, check ur engine oil. the service centre hasnt done anythin. they have jus topped up the oil. thts why u have the issue. check the tension of the chain and also stop the bike after 20kms and check the engine temp.

    I know the lazy fellows at service have done nothin but washin ur bike.

    And ya Hellsfury is right, tht sound comes from the silencer when its coolin down. its normal nothin to worry of..
    Last edited by Baazigar; 10-29-2010, 09:18 PM.

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    • Originally posted by Baazigar View Post
      Dude, check ur engine oil. the service centre hasnt done anythin. they have jus topped up the oil. thts why u have the issue. check the tension of the chain and also stop the bike after 20kms and check the engine temp.

      I know the lazy fellows at service have done nothin but washin ur bike.

      And ya Hellsfury is right, tht sound comes from the silencer when its coolin down. its normal nothin to worry of..
      Thanks baazigar!!
      did my third service today.i had two main problems.1)the bike feeling sluggish as i told earlier and 2)bike would jerk at about 80km/hr and cannot cross that speed.bike would stop and go thus jerking like when we run out of fuel.so i mentioned these two problems.i also wanted to put 20W40 oil.mechanic told me they have no stock of 20W40 and they are only using 10W30 for all twisters and other honda bikes. so i straight way went to assistant service engineer and told him i only want 20W40.I was shocked when he told me honda has stopped supplying 20W40 which comes in white color bottle.with no choice I had to settle for 10W30.
      next was the jerking problem. the dumb mechanic could not locate the fault.i had to wait for 6 hours while he was busy finding fault.he removed virtually every part.he checked air filter,fuel filter.he removed the carburetor and cleaned it.then fitted back then i went for a test ride along with mechanic.this time the bike was jerking at 55 km/hr and could not even cross 60km/hr thus came back to workshop.there was also some sort of burning smell coming from engine so i was worried.next mechanic changed the spark plug with new one but still problem continued.so before the mechanic does some more damage i went back to service engineer and told him the whole story. he gave some instructions to mechanic and the mechanic started checking all the electrical wiring.he removed the side cowls and the entire fuel tank etc.but still could not locate the fault.it was almost 6 hours time from morning 10 to 4.the showroom people told me to leave the vehicle to workshop and they would call me as soon as they solve the problem.i left my bike at showroom and called the showroom people next day.they were not even picking up the phone.so i straight way went to showroom and mechanic said bike is now Ok.i asked him what was the problem,he said the air suction pipe had a hole and thus some of sucked air was escaping.So he handed over the bike to me and i decided to to test it.I went on a highway and went full throttle.luckily jerking was not there and i reached top speed of 90km/hr without any problem.bike feels OK with slightly better pick up then before.
      I have not checked the sluggishness and fuel efficiency now after service.i will update it soon.
      total damage, oil+consumables+spark plug=140+14+94=248 RS

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      • I live in Mumbai what oil should I use??? 10W30 or 20W40..... It's currently really hot here.... Can I get the greasing of my chain done by a normal mechanic? My bike does not stay in shade and so should I cover it up? Can I use carnauba car wash wax to wash my bike?
        @sachin: I also once had a problem with the air suction pipe... Put a cloth in that place (The stupid showroom ppl didn't tell me not to keep anything there....) the bike never started properly... The mechanic figured out the problem in a few minutes....
        Last edited by Horror; 10-30-2010, 02:15 PM.
        I would rather be riding my bike thinking of God, than sitting in the temple thinking of my bike.

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        • Originally posted by Horror View Post
          I live in Mumbai what oil should I use??? 10W30 or 20W40..... It's currently really hot here.... Can I get the greasing of my chain done by a normal mechanic? My bike does not stay in shade and so should I cover it up? Can I use carnauba car wash wax to wash my bike?
          @sachin: I also once had a problem with the air suction pipe... Put a cloth in that place (The stupid showroom ppl didn't tell me not to keep anything there....) the bike never started properly... The mechanic figured out the problem in a few minutes....
          1)yup 20W40 is always a better option for hot weather and it comes in white color bottle whereas 10W30 comes in Grayish/silver bottle 2)the greasing can be done by normal mechanic..but why u want to use grease?i think oil is a better then grease bcoz dust will mix with grease and make it hard and thus will not provide sufficient lubrication and cleaning of chain wont be easy on the other hand oiling can be done by anybody,you can even use your old engine oil for chain lubrication(its same as doing cycle chain lubrication)3)covering bike will protect paint job and its shine.4)U can use car wash but avoid rubbing on paint.I just use a wet cloth(the soft one)dipped in water for cleaning paint area.never use dry cloth to wipe on paint as any dried dirt will cause a scratch when you rub it.give a shower to bike with water to soften any dirt before u wipe.
          Last edited by sachin1111; 11-03-2010, 01:33 AM.

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          • after third service report

            after third service my mileage is more or less same as before.getting 67-68km/lit.i was expecting a better figure though as i drive carefully in higher gear most time in near economy speed range.The engine still seems to be running bit hot,but i dont know how much temperature it is.any idea how to check engine temperature and what temperature is considered as hot and normal?

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            • Originally posted by BORN TO RACE View Post
              Has anyone done any body graphics in their bike....

              If yes then kindly post some pics...

              Hi everyone!!please have a look at this latest international honda bike released.its the 2011 edition of CB 1000R. it looks such a awesome,i have not seen better color combination on any bike till today.and guess what these color combination can be used on twister as well by exactly copying it at same places on twister.click in this link below and let me know what you think.

              Honda CB1000R gets new colours for 2011; photos and details

              Last edited by sachin1111; 11-03-2010, 08:57 PM.

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              • first post...

                hey guys, this is NandaGopal from mangalore. I bought a honda twister on august 24th and its second service is due on nov 24th(obviously!!).
                the meter shows around 1200 and currently gives 60kmpl (even with a combi of city and highways). After my first service i started taking it upto 80kph after consulting the mechanic,when the roads were empty, else its around 60-70.
                Some probs:
                when shifting from 4th to 3rd or 2nd to 3rd, the gear slips and i get a harsh sound(something like the chain slidig over the gears)
                -on closer look, i've noticed that the chain slides over the chasis(grease is applied at that portion, but is it common???)
                Last edited by NanGo; 11-08-2010, 10:59 PM.

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                • Originally posted by NanGo View Post
                  hey guys, this is NandaGopal from mangalore. I bought a honda twister on august 24th and its second service is due on nov 24th(obviously!!).
                  the meter shows around 1200 and currently gives 60kmpl (even with a combi of city and highways). After my first service i started taking it upto 80kph after consulting the mechanic,when the roads were empty, else its around 60-70.
                  Some probs:
                  when shifting from 4th to 3rd or 2nd to 3rd, the gear slips and i get a harsh sound(something like the chain slidig over the gears)
                  -on closer look, i've noticed that the chain slides over the chasis(grease is applied at that portion, but is it common???)
                  hi NandaGopal!! welcome to twister club.
                  i think its important to check at what speed you are changing the gears.gear ratios and gear range is different for different bikes.do you remember around what speed you normally change gears on speedometer?see if chain has become loose,there is one chain adjustment nut.sometimes few links of the chain get stuck due to dryness and dirt and do not roll over the sprocket smoothly. oil is better than grease for short trips.better stick to under 50 speed till you finish 2nd service and under 60 till 2.5k that will surely help in long run.whats been you mileage so far?
                  Last edited by sachin1111; 11-10-2010, 02:25 AM.

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                  • @ Sachin1111 - it is normal for a new engine to heat up quickly until broken-in i.e at 1000 kilo or so . Also if you are extracting 65-70 kmpl from your new engine , you are running it too lean which will also heat it up too much and cause damage . Get it tuned for a richer mix and less mileage untill it's a bit older IMHO .

                    1) The tuk tuk , tik tik clicking sound after killing the engine after a drive is from the catalytic converter inside the muffler ( silencer ) contracting as it cools fast . My new splendor+ has it too .

                    2) carnauba wax is not a car wash , it is a hard wax based polish for cars and other painted metal surfaces . Use it after a wash and polish/buff off with cotton cloth for a great lasting shine .

                    3) The proper lubricant for bike chains is SAE90 / EP 90 gear-box oil applied sparingly to each joint . But it will stick up lots of debris in an open chain , so for open chains Motul or other make chain-lubricant spray is recommended , it lubes well and doesn't get much sticky , but it's an expensive option .

                    4) earlier honda / hero-honda both were supplying and recommending 20w40 engine oil , but suddenly they changed that to their own make 10w30 oil , without changing any engine specs . I was amazed . Their own ( Hero-Honda ) new 10w30 is also specified by them as an extended-drain oil to be changed every 6000Kms in my splendor+ manual . Honda should be same/similar . Generally speaking 10w30 oil is lighter ( circulated quicker ) and more suited for cooler climates , while heavier cooler more-protective 20w40 is everyone's choice for Indian climate . I am still in 2-minds whether to stick to their recommendation or use shorter-drain period generic 20w40 oils in my new bike .

                    cheers
                    Last edited by Pinaki; 11-12-2010, 12:52 AM.

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                    • @ sachin1111 I always change my gears from 2 to 3 before it hits thirty, but this problem keeps occurring at any range. looks like I have to test drive it to the service ppl so that they recognize what's happening(!!).
                      It's given me 61 kmpl for the last fill

                      Yesterday evening after keeping my bike in a secluded spot of my college garage from 9 to 6, while starting it in the evening there was an extra sound like air whistles. I couldn't spot where the sound was coming from. The engine died within 2-3 seconds. It didn't start for the next few tries (even kick). when it started I kept it in const acceleration and somehow took it home. Today morning I took it to the service center where he told me that the connecting piece b/w air filter and the pipe that delivers air to engine has been damaged(it is a plastic casing with a rubber gasket inside. a small piece of the casing had broken) due to which air was leaking. Since he didn't have the required spare part I took it to a center in the city (taking the dying bike b/w a 1km long road block accepting the scoldings of fellow commuters when my bike stops just as the road infront of me clears!!). since i reached after 6, he told me that the apre shop was closed and so I'm waiting till tomorrow morning, when i'll do both repair and servicing.Do you have any idea as to how this piece was damaged. The mechanic said either due to overtightening of the screw or due to external damage. I'm sure there was no external agent that caused the damage. If tightening is the reason, it was last checked when i gave for servicing before 1 and a half month, and so much time is too much..
                      will post after tomorrow's solutions..
                      Last edited by NanGo; 11-13-2010, 12:02 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by NanGo View Post
                        @ sachin1111 I always change my gears from 2 to 3 before it hits thirty, but this problem keeps occurring at any range. looks like I have to test drive it to the service ppl so that they recognize what's happening(!!).
                        It's given me 61 kmpl for the last fill

                        Yesterday evening after keeping my bike in a secluded spot of my college garage from 9 to 6, while starting it in the evening there was an extra sound like air whistles. I couldn't spot where the sound was coming from. The engine died within 2-3 seconds. It didn't start for the next few tries (even kick). when it started I kept it in const acceleration and somehow took it home. Today morning I took it to the service center where he told me that the connecting piece b/w air filter and the pipe that delivers air to engine has been damaged(it is a plastic casing with a rubber gasket inside. a small piece of the casing had broken) due to which air was leaking. Since he didn't have the required spare part I took it to a center in the city (taking the dying bike b/w a 1km long road block accepting the scoldings of fellow commuters when my bike stops just as the road infront of me clears!!). since i reached after 6, he told me that the apre shop was closed and so I'm waiting till tomorrow morning, when i'll do both repair and servicing.Do you have any idea as to how this piece was damaged. The mechanic said either due to overtightening of the screw or due to external damage. I'm sure there was no external agent that caused the damage. If tightening is the reason, it was last checked when i gave for servicing before 1 and a half month, and so much time is too much..
                        will post after tomorrow's solutions..
                        me too having somewhat similar problem.after i kick start my bike engine dies within 2-3 seconds and if i try to raise throttle within those 3 seconds(to prevent engine dying) engine dies the movement it twist throttle with a air sound something like one "thuus".I had a problem with air pipe as well before where mechanic said air pipe was loose and had some cut.I wonder if many twister are having problem or air pipe loose/holed etc.how ever this problem is only when engine is cold i.e once engine warms up this problem is not there.i suspect this problem could be due driving on rough roads where road shocks and vibrations are loosening/effecting this air connection by some way or the other.i have seen this problem only after driving above 80+km speed for long time.during my last service mechanic checked the carborator setting for Ideal RPM and is set to 1500RPM which is maximum.also air fuel mixture setting on carborator is changed but problem still persists.I need to revisit the showroom to know whats wrong.
                        Last edited by sachin1111; 11-13-2010, 01:05 PM.

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                        • I have already crossed 2200km so guess overheating should not have been there.but it is less than before.overheating is quickly noticeable when driving in lower gears like 2nd and third gear for long time as the engine revs hard.Most twister owners are getting around 65km/lit with default carb setting and it mostly depends on riding condition.
                          I also suspect it could be due to fuel quality as i have been filling from same station for long time now also when i checked my oil level last time it was about 1-2mm above max level.higher oil level is also known to cause also overheating.

                          Regarding chain lubrication,how do you remove the old hardened black oil/dirt before applying new oil? any easy way to do this job?thanks.

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                          • Originally posted by sachin1111 View Post
                            me too having somewhat similar problem.after i kick start my bike engine dies within 2-3 seconds and if i try to raise throttle within those 3 seconds(to prevent engine dying) engine dies the movement it twist throttle with a air sound something like one "thuus".I had a problem with air pipe as well before where mechanic said air pipe was loose and had some cut.I wonder if many twister are having problem or air pipe loose/holed etc.how ever this problem is only when engine is cold i.e once engine warms up this problem is not there.i suspect this problem could be due driving on rough roads where road shocks and vibrations are loosening/effecting this air connection by some way or the other.i have seen this problem only after driving above 80+km speed for long time.during my last service mechanic checked the carborator setting for Ideal RPM and is set to 1500RPM which is maximum.also air fuel mixture setting on carborator is changed but problem still persists.I need to revisit the showroom to know whats wrong.
                            What I have noticed is that the "thuss" sound only comes while kick starting and not while electric starts. See how long does the engine last on kick start without accelerating. It should last for a very long time before dying down. What I have learned is that you never give throttle while kick start no matter how weak the engine sounds just put it into first gear and slowly take off. Dont expect a good pick up if the engine istnt warm enough.My bike hastnt had any problems of late, giving me a good average of 60-65 , I've done 1900kms on it.
                            I would rather be riding my bike thinking of God, than sitting in the temple thinking of my bike.

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                            • Sachin
                              "I also suspect it could be due to fuel quality "

                              Fuel quality cannot cause overheating , unless u are using grossly higher octane fuel than your engine design . stick to standard unleaded petrol .lean mixture is primary cause for overheating , not only from lack of petrol fuel , it can be that your air filter / hose is passing in too much air into carb . Easy way to check all the engine conditions inside is to check the spark plug . Check ths link ..you will know how .




                              "Regarding chain lubrication,how do you remove the old hardened black oil/dirt before applying new oil? any easy way to do this job?"

                              Old toothbrush and diesel oil in a flat shallow dish . place the dish with diesel under the chain ( bike in centre stand ) and briskly brush chain with
                              diesel-wet toothbrush , let the dirty diesel drain back into the dish , rotate wheel and repeat with whole chain . dry with cloth and let drip dry fully .
                              then lubricate with ordinary sae90/ EP 90 gearbox oil ( HP , IOL available in petrol pumps ) or Motul chain spray .
                              Last edited by Pinaki; 11-14-2010, 04:13 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                                Sachin
                                "I also suspect it could be due to fuel quality "

                                Fuel quality cannot cause overheating , unless u are using grossly higher octane fuel than your engine design . stick to standard unleaded petrol .lean mixture is primary cause for overheating , not only from lack of petrol fuel , it can be that your air filter / hose is passing in too much air into carb . Easy way to check all the engine conditions inside is to check the spark plug . Check ths link ..you will know how .

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                                "Regarding chain lubrication,how do you remove the old hardened black oil/dirt before applying new oil? any easy way to do this job?"

                                Old toothbrush and diesel oil in a flat shallow dish . place the dish with diesel under the chain ( bike in centre stand ) and briskly brush chain with
                                diesel-wet toothbrush , let the dirty diesel drain back into the dish , rotate wheel and repeat with whole chain . dry with cloth and let drip dry fully .
                                then lubricate with ordinary sae90/ EP 90 gearbox oil ( HP , IOL available in petrol pumps ) or Motul chain spray .
                                thanks for the useful info!! i have already changed spark plug with new one after just 2000km.although the old spark seems to be in good condition.i will go for SAE 90 based oil for chain lubrication.may be as you said the the air filter is passing too much air. during my last service retuning was done so probably the mixture has been made richer from leaner,because i did notice a slight drop in fuel efficiency by 3-4km with better pickup in lower gears. regarding overheating i have noticed it is much less now. as we are slowly approaching winter may be lower air temperatures doing the job.Thanks buddy!!

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