Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

[ayushkant]

Guys i am planning to change the headlight bulb to Osram NB in my FZ16...

1) Is there any problem doing that?
2) Any battery issues?
3) Which model is suitable for FZ16?
4) Is it really worth it changing to NB?

Have been using NB on my FZ since last 1 year. No prob on battery and it is really worth the penny.

Another option available is Philips Premium 55W. Costs just 100/- in comparison to 850/- of NB.

[Shreeni0403]

Hi guys, I have karizma ZMR

Can I use the philips BlueVision H4 60/55 W directly? I want to avoid putting relays, coils since they may void my warranty.

Please Help

Here is my answer.

zmr is having a huge 18 pole stator capable of pumping 180+watts.
55/60 is a direct fit and will not melt reflector.however its recommended to use relays for better performance. intelligence in putting the relay will be fine and not void the warranty.

Dr. always behind 18 poles i guess, don't know any other number??
First of all who told you that ZMR has 18 poles ?? You opened up and checked?? AFAIK none will be bothered to open ZMR's coil to check the poles or rewinding as it already has massive power pumping out.

FYI - ZMR has a 232W coil , ZMA has 188W

Whats the stock spec Hope its 55W AFAIK. Then u dont need any relays as u r just changing the brand. If its 35W and u dont want to put relays then forget the idea. Without a relay 55W can do a considerable damage to the switches in DC and eventually u'll void the warranty in due course. If u r a dare devil to try that go ahead.

HH showrooms itself selling HID so warranty ka problem nahi hai. Atleast in Bangalore

[abhijeet080808]

stock is 35 watts.and rest is laid by you beautifully..
also ot-
@sajjit....
the ape mini trucks reflector unit costs a whopping 2200+tax.the reason its having a leveling device.but the product is top notch with excellent light throw.

Will that be fit on you bike? Will there not be space constraints?

[Binoy]

Have been using NB on my FZ since last 1 year. No prob on battery and it is really worth the penny.

Another option available is Philips Premium 55W. Costs just 100/- in comparison to 850/- of NB.

Thanks ayushkant... Stock bulb in FZ is philips rite? oh so much of price difference rite? so its good to go for NB rite?

[abhichotu.abhi]

@drvmtm, sajit:

The UG4 has full DC set-up, so I donot think that it would not support even a single 55W. I have had Philips Extreme power on the bike for a couple of months and it worked like dream. Finally, I had to switch to 35W becuz the extreme power was picked from the headlight of my car.

[sajjt]

stock is 35 watts.and rest is laid by you beautifully..
also ot-
@sajjit....
the ape mini trucks reflector unit costs a whopping 2200+tax.the reason its having a leveling device.but the product is top notch with excellent light throw.

Now its time for junk yard hunting as 2200/- is big for a bike. I hope its for a pair. But the leveling device will make it bit difficult due to the space constraints.

@drvmtm, sajit:

The UG4 has full DC set-up, so I donot think that it would not support even a single 55W. I have had Philips Extreme power on the bike for a couple of months and it worked like dream. Finally, I had to switch to 35W becuz the extreme power was picked from the headlight of my car.

I didnt get u dear. Yes, UG4 is a full DC bike, and its desinged to work with a 35W halo if u try to use with a 55W, then the batt will get discharged due to the mean charging rate of 3-3.5A which is not adequate for a 55W halo.

U mean to say u've driven a UG4 with 55W halo? How long/backup night ride?

[abhichotu.abhi]

I didnt get u dear. Yes, UG4 is a full DC bike, and its desinged to work with a 35W halo if u try to use with a 55W, then the batt will get discharged due to the mean charging rate of 3-3.5A which is not adequate for a 55W halo.

U mean to say u've driven a UG4 with 55W halo? How long/backup night ride?

Yes, I have ridden my bike with 55W at nights, usually in city limits and never came the situation of dead battery. I meant to say that as the bike is fully DC, so whole current\output of the alternator is utilised in charging the battery and nothing else, so no need of upgrading anything for a single 55W set-up.

P.S: How did you know the capacity of the alternator? and in case of DC\AC ??

[ayushkant]

Thanks ayushkant... Stock bulb in FZ is philips rite? oh so much of price difference rite? so its good to go for NB rite?

You use 'rite' a lot
I don't remember now the stock bulb
I don't know why so much price difference. But yeah I'm using both the bulbs, NB in my FZ and PP in my TB. But somehow I feel NB is much better.

You can also ask ankit63 I think. He was looking for a bulb upgrade for his FZ too. Search him on FZ's page.

[drvmtm]

Dr. always behind 18 poles i guess, don't know any other number??
First of all who told you that ZMR has 18 poles ?? You opened up and checked?? AFAIK none will be bothered to open ZMR's coil to check the poles or rewinding as it already has massive power pumping out.

FYI - ZMR has a 232W coil , ZMA has 188W

wekk ,i have seen it,and yes mi know other numbers also,pulsar 220 is also having the same type of coil ,all are three phase,if the coils pole isnt high in number that 232 isnt possible actually.coils are laid in y configuration.want more output?use delta configuration.

Will that be fit on you bike? Will there not be space constraints?

no it will not fit.the levelling device my=ust be removed from the back of it.its a 7 incher seal beam though,

Now its time for junk yard hunting as 2200/- is big for a bike. I hope its for a pair. But the leveling device will make it bit difficult due to the space constraints.

well its the price of one,i double checked it.

[sajjt]

Yes, I have ridden my bike with 55W at nights, usually in city limits and never came the situation of dead battery. I meant to say that as the bike is fully DC, so whole current\output of the alternator is utilised in charging the battery and nothing else, so no need of upgrading anything for a single 55W set-up.

P.S: How did you know the capacity of the alternator? and in case of DC\AC ??

I've measured the current in one of my friends UG4 for my RR upgrade before I found the APE RR and it was only giving 3-3.5A. I don't know whats now. U r right its winded in all 7 poles and it should generate more than the old types but the RR is the bottleneck in charging rates. How much time u got the backup?

Bz after rewinding my coil, stock RR was giving 3.5A and was not enough for a 35W HID not more than 20 mins with an avg battery so it cant support a 55W Halo, thats the logic. Can u measure the current to the batt?

[Binoy]

You use 'rite' a lot
I don't remember now the stock bulb
I don't know why so much price difference. But yeah I'm using both the bulbs, NB in my FZ and PP in my TB. But somehow I feel NB is much better.

You can also ask ankit63 I think. He was looking for a bulb upgrade for his FZ too. Search him on FZ's page.

Thanks a lot man... oh sorry for the "rite"... he he he

[abhichotu.abhi]

I've measured the current in one of my friends UG4 for my RR upgrade before I found the APE RR and it was only giving 3-3.5A. I don't know whats now. U r right its winded in all 7 poles and it should generate more than the old types but the RR is the bottleneck in charging rates. How much time u got the backup?

Bz after rewinding my coil, stock RR was giving 3.5A and was not enough for a 35W HID not more than 20 mins with an avg battery so it cant support a 55W Halo, thats the logic. Can u measure the current to the batt?

I donot rode usually maximum 1 hrs for any trip as the places are relatively closer in my city. So, no defects were noticed. I will check the input at battery. Will update then accordingly.

BTW, what is the output in old AC+DC bikes, Is it the same as 3Amp??
An 35W HID in IMO could consume anywhere between 2.8-3A. Then, it seems low for a HID but I have ran a 55W, Trust me!

[sajjt]

Yes, I have ridden my bike with 55W at nights, usually in city limits and never came the situation of dead battery. I meant to say that as the bike is fully DC, so whole current\output of the alternator is utilised in charging the battery and nothing else, so no need of upgrading anything for a single 55W set-up.

P.S: How did you know the capacity of the alternator? and in case of DC\AC ??

I donot rode usually maximum 1 hrs for any trip as the places are relatively closer in my city. So, no defects were noticed. I will check the input at battery. Will update then accordingly.

BTW, what is the output in old AC+DC bikes, Is it the same as 3Amp??
An 35W HID in IMO could consume anywhere between 2.8-3A. Then, it seems low for a HID but I have ran a 55W, Trust me!

Let the reading speak

[drvmtm]

i was looking for good driving lights for long time for my bikes and cars.i found the ans in amby seal beams.but there was a problem how to use amby seal beam in aux setup.so finally i did some juggads with hero honda cd dawns headlight casing and some angel pattis of pannier boxes and some nut bolts,i made tooooooooo good aux lamps for my scorpio mhawk.please dont kill me for posting the pics.these are mounted with hid.navnish is the man if you need hids,thank you dear,this mod is dedicated to you.the lights are mounted on bull bar of scorpio,looks too good and most imp its effective.the stock lights are also quite good in scorpio now days but these are simply amazing.i got the idea from trailtech and baja designs.the most imp part is price its dirt cheap,400 rs max with out the hid.it can be used with halogens also.it is fully made of glass so any high watt halogen55/60,90/100,100/130 it can take the heat.it can be dual beam also if the bulb supports.its roughly 7.2 inches in dia.it will fit bulls with ease.i got the idea because i am a biker,else i would have spent 6 k or more on some hella illuminator serise.

i will say def the pics dont do justice.its way way better then the pics
2hidonly2hid+halo hihalogen stock lohalogen stock hion action 1
on action

[drvmtm]

here are some images how i made it.