Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

[princesirohi]

hey guys,

I have a problem, the relay (Hi/Low relay) used in my HID installation is failing repeatedly. can anybody suggest a robust relay. i use my flash button quite frequently.

[sajjt]

these can be used as main lamps isnt it ? i wanna give them a try ..

Daytime Running Light LED-H4 High Bright LED- Chi Ming Electronics

U can use it if u r ready to sacrifice the head lights usage.

Its DRLs for Day Time RUnning lights for better visibility for the on coming traffic not for the driver. If u install it, every one will notice u but u cant see a thing as the beam spread is literally not there as the LEDs are too focused as laser beams. LED headlights are still under research by automotive gaints, and very few have come up with LED headlights in the projectors like Toyota Prius.

[Sharan_R]

Got a HID Kit from Navnish a week back. 4300K 35W for R15.
Very impressed.
Just need to adjust the beam a little for a Wider Spread.

HIDs FTW!

[drvmtm]

i have changed my pulsar ug 2 s headlight unit to classic unit.it is the BEST MOD i have done till date.

i used the full front unit of tvs fiero fx fiem clear lance reflector with a bixenon 4300k hid.the light throw and output seems to increase as the focus and throw of the light is too good.ITS NOWHERE COMPARABLE TO THE OLD UG 3 S REFLECTOR I WAS USING.

as of any mods i faced some problem and thinking of to get around them.first one is where to place the ballast properly.
second one is the place of wires are very less because the bixenon takes so much of space so have to place the headlight dome a little bit front.
i will update with pictures as soon a s possible.

[abhichotu.abhi]

Any one knows if just changing a RR in Pulsar 180 ug4 will increase the current output or the rewinding is necessary?

[sajjt]

Any one knows if just changing a RR in Pulsar 180 ug4 will increase the current output or the rewinding is necessary?

All that depends on the loading on electricals for the mod. If its a halogen upgrade, coil rewinding also required along with the RR swap as a permanent solution.

[NANOtechnology]

dear doc, sajan, shreeni, abhi, navnish..

yesterday i saw an audi with projectors of cource, and the guy had installed a camera flash kinda thing to flash inside the headlamp dome itself.

it was impressive, but was annoying too as the guy had lost his marbles, he just wanted to show off with the setup of his.

my question is that can such a thing be done with our kinda setup too ??

i really need to flash, specially at daytime, any expert opinion on the same ??

can we install a camera flash or a similar thing just for flashing purposes, which in my case should go INSIDE the headlamp glass itself..

[rameshmadhavan]

dear doc, sajan, shreeni, abhi, navnish..

yesterday i saw an audi with projectors of cource, and the guy had installed a camera flash kinda thing to flash inside the headlamp dome itself.

it was impressive, but was annoying too as the guy had lost his marbles, he just wanted to show off with the setup of his.

my question is that can such a thing be done with our kinda setup too ??

i really need to flash, specially at daytime, any expert opinion on the same ??

can we install a camera flash or a similar thing just for flashing purposes, which in my case should go INSIDE the headlamp glass itself..

In Audi, thats a company fitted one....its gonna be dangerous on the highway when u use it.

[abhijeet080808]

i have changed my pulsar ug 2 s headlight unit to classic unit.it is the BEST MOD i have done till date.

i used the full front unit of tvs fiero fx fiem clear lance reflector with a bixenon 4300k hid.the light throw and output seems to increase as the focus and throw of the light is too good.ITS NOWHERE COMPARABLE TO THE OLD UG 3 S REFLECTOR I WAS USING.

as of any mods i faced some problem and thinking of to get around them.first one is where to place the ballast properly.
second one is the place of wires are very less because the bixenon takes so much of space so have to place the headlight dome a little bit front.
i will update with pictures as soon a s possible.

I have a question for you. How do you compare the round dome with a projector setup? Have you played around with the Skoda Fabia projector by any chance? That projector is supposed to have both hi and lo beams, controlled by a solenoid.

[Devil 3112]

Hi Everyone,

This is my first ever post on xbhp. Read all the pages of "Let there be light". Reading all the pages were very much interesting. Most of you guys are doing great job to help newcomers like me. I m having a query about my bike as follow:

I m having Karizma R. I've changed my bike's light to osram's silver star. And I've changed it without any kind of relay installed since from 6 to 8 months (maybe, because i m not sure about the time).

I want to know that is is worthy to switch to osram night breaker or HID is best option. And if I've to install HID, do i have to make any kind of changes in my bike's electrical area.

Waiting for you people's quick reply and thank you very much in advance.


Edit: Could anybody tell me the price for HID also. What will the cost for reasonably good HID.

Cheers

[drvmtm]

I have a question for you. How do you compare the round dome with a projector setup? Have you played around with the Skoda Fabia projector by any chance? That projector is supposed to have both hi and lo beams, controlled by a solenoid.

hehe,abhi i am seeing a sure upgrade of your setup.

see abhi ,after using a serise of projectors which list i m giving below...

• p 220
• skoda octavia h3
• skoda? bi xenon
• aftermaket bixenon projectors.

PROJ ARE ONLY TOO GOOD FOR LOW BEAM,THERE IS NO DENIAL ABOUT IT.BUT FOR HIGH BEAM THE REFLECTOR STILL RULES.

see here are some pictures of projectors of low beam..they work WONDERS IN CASE OF HIDS CUTOFF AND GLARE PROTECTION.


the above two pictures are of projectors with hid s working in low beam which is TOO GOOD as you can see,so IN LOW BEAM THE PROJECTORS RULE AND THAT IS THE TRUTH.
IMP OF PROJECTORS IN LOW BEAM

1. definite cut off line as per arai/euro fed.
2. can be used with hids and works great.
3. no specific hotspot of light,rather it creatsa nice equal distribution of light zone(low beam shouldn't have any hot spots according to arai which is came into action from arround 2000).

low beam area coverage is far far better then any reflector so projectors rule again here.

High beam:-

high beam is a completely different ball game.here the light needs to have following characteristics

1. hot spot+a little spread(15-25 degree spread with hot spot)
2. no close flooding of light as it contracts the pupil of our eye and worsens the distant vision althoughit creates a false perception of better viewing which is even more dangerous.
3. main focus of lights should be at distant,more like a spot but with a bit more spread.

see the follwing pictures and observe the spread..


now if you look closly you can see the hot spot which is essential for distant focus and less focus in near.

now bixenon projectors are using a electomagnetic curtain plate which they just lift off and the low beam converts to high beam,like covering your eye with your hand half is low beam and then lift off your hand is hi beam,look closly the following pictures....


now if you see closly the low beam is excellent and the high beam is just lowbeam+lift off shed for more light.as a result this creates flood beam in near area which is actually bad for distant viewing.

our pupils dilate(opens up) in dark situations and let more light in to see better.more near light hampers that situation and ultimatly hampers the distant vision.
Even Mr.Jermy clarkson of bbc s top gear said the not so good about ferraris f 430s dual bixenon projectors.

this is may be one of the sole reason even todays cars retain reflectors if they can for high beam.
also the free form reflectors which are widly in use now days are made by computer calibrated set up so the cutoff and the light production is very nice compared to earlier gen glass striated ones.(amby ones).

so the math is simple.

for low beam=dedicated low beam projector

for high beam=free form multifocal reflector


use of hid or halogen is simply up to the user and more up to the vehicles electrical s,if it can pull halogen bulbs ,why not use it?a 100 watt halogen is very nice in terms of light.

practically speaking as very less number of indian two whleers are having a robust electrical system where a user can use two 55 watt halogen lamps with a peace of mind the need of hid is far more felt in case of our indian 2 whleers.

i am too sure if some ones car can pull 2 halogen of decent power ,he/she will not feel the urge to shift to hid,the same goes to many ninja owners.

as of mine personal fev is hid is because its efficiency to power to light output ratio.cant help it!

hope it helps.....
hope this clear up some confusion.

[aravinth545]

Help Needed

Guys,

I read most of the pages of this thread. I own a FZ16. I would like to install HIDs. From what I have learnt from this thread, HIDs without projectors are illegal, and projectors are best suited for low beam only.

I need a legal HID setup (preferably 4300K) with both low and high beam. Should I retain the stock reflectors or go for the projectors?

I searched up Philips BlueVision
12342BV+
H4 12342 BV+ 12V 60/55W

But this is 60/55W. Is there anything in 35W?
Any other good brand would also suit.

Is Angel Eyes a projector? If yes, how must would it cost?
I have basically no idea regarding the cost thing.

Is it possible to do the whole HID setup around Rs.3000 ?

Please help me guys

[sajjt]

Guys,

I read most of the pages of this thread. I own a FZ16. I would like to install HIDs. From what I have learnt from this thread, HIDs without projectors are illegal, and projectors are best suited for low beam only.

Correct. U've done enough homework before this post

I need a legal HID setup (preferably 4300K) with both low and high beam. Should I retain the stock reflectors or go for the projectors?

Its all upto ur budget, HID conversion kit will cost 2k and a low cost aftermarket projector will cost another 2K. If u go for the projectors too, reflector is a must as there's no ready made projectors for FZ. So mounting will be mostly on the reflector.

Add to this, HID conversion kits on stock reflectors are useless as its not spreading the light properly as it creates a hell of glares to others which is dangerous and illegal too. U may find this very powerful light as its scattering the light every where but in terms of good beam spread and distant vision it fails. So my advise is to go for the projectors for urs as well as others safety.

I searched up Philips BlueVision
12342BV+
H4 12342 BV+ 12V 60/55W

But this is 60/55W. Is there anything in 35W?
Any other good brand would also suit.

U can directly use a 55/60W halogen in the stock reflectors so need to search for a 35W stock rated halos for a premium. If u could install a relay for the bulbs it will be well and good for the electricals but there are guys who are not using any relays without any issues.

Is Angel Eyes a projector? If yes, how must would it cost?
I have basically no idea regarding the cost thing.

Is it possible to do the whole HID setup around Rs.3000 ?

Please help me guys

The term angel eye again came from the BMW line of cars. Many of the modern BMW vehicles have an LED ring that circles the low and high beam lights. These LED rings are separate from the headlights themselves and really don’t provide much as far as lighting the road. However, they do look pretty sweet. Many of the custom aftermarket projector headlights come with either one or two angel eyes…depending on the size of the lens. Likewise, the term halo is referring to the same LED ring. Many aftermarket projector headlights come with dual halos (or angel eyes) depending on the size of the lens. These halos or angel eyes will require wiring to an alternate power source. Its also termed as DRL (Daytime Running Lights) for better visibility in poor weather conditions on day time. Its a standard saftey feature introduced by BMW and latter followed by others due to its saftey benefits.




There are kits available for 3.5K onwards for a full HID Bixen projectors but the reliability factor is under suspicion.

[aravinth545]

Thanks sajjit..

Name some brands of the low cost projectors

If I use the HID in high beam, will the light fall be perfect as in low beam or scattered unevenly as projectors are suited for low beam only.

Correct me if I am wrong

1. The stock reflector is kept intact.
2. A projector is fitted into the reflector.
3. The HID bulb is fitted into the projector.

What is ballast and name some reliable and low cost HID conversion kits?

[RanjithMN]

Thanks sajjit..

Name some brands of the low cost projectors

If I use the HID in high beam, will the light fall be perfect as in low beam or scattered unevenly as projectors are suited for low beam only.

Correct me if I am wrong

I dont think there are any branded projectors available in the market.

High beam from a HID in a projector will not be scattered...it will have a perfect cut off

1. The stock reflector is kept intact.
YES
2. A projector is fitted into the reflector.
YES
3. The HID bulb is fitted into the projector.
YES

What is ballast and name some reliable and low cost HID conversion kits?

Ballast is a small device through which your HID's electricals go
im quoting a definition from another site

A lighting ballast is a piece of equipment required to control the starting and operating voltages of electrical gas discharge lights.

"Numac" seems to be a decent brand that provides 1 year warranty,costs around 3k for a single bulb...i dont know about any other brands(apart from brands such as Philips etc)that provide warranty.