Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

[RAPTOR 5992]

i wanted to ask u a ques i own a hero honda achiever 2006 model without a self start . so i was thinking instead of rewinding my stock coil i can get a new coil for it which is designed for the self start model i m getting it here for rs 900 and will plonk in a new amaron 7ah battery designed for the self start model of this bike since i don't want to go for rewinding a stock one and will this 7 ah and the coil from self start model be able to run a 55w hid without any hassle and one more ques will there be a need to buy a reflector from skoda or benz to run a 55w hid and yes forgot to include the rr swap to ape rr unit ........

thnx in advance will post some pics of my stator soon as i checked achiever , unicorn , cbz-x share the same stator unit .....

and one ques to awesomeo how have u calculated the thickness of wire plz elabrate and the formula used .....

i live in gwalior madhya pradesh so finding a skoda reflector is a bit painful job here so wanted to ask if any one can send me some items by courier i will transfer the money in his account directly ......

thnx in advance guys......

[awesomeo]

i wanted to ask u a ques i own a hero honda achiever 2006 model without a self start . so i was thinking instead of rewinding my stock coil i can get a new coil for it which is designed for the self start model i m getting it here for rs 900 and will plonk in a new amaron 7ah battery designed for the self start model of this bike since i don't want to go for rewinding a stock one and will this 7 ah and the coil from self start model be able to run a 55w hid without any hassle and one more ques will there be a need to buy a reflector from skoda or benz to run a 55w hid and yes forgot to include the rr swap to ape rr unit ........

thnx in advance will post some pics of my stator soon as i checked achiever , unicorn , cbz-x share the same stator unit .....

and one ques to awesomeo how have u calculated the thickness of wire plz elabrate and the formula used .....

i live in gwalior madhya pradesh so finding a skoda reflector is a bit painful job here so wanted to ask if any one can send me some items by courier i will transfer the money in his account directly ......

thnx in advance guys......

Are you absolutely certain that the self start model uses a different stator? You better check how many amps does the self-start model throws out, and then invest your money.

I'm not so familiar with Hero Honda bikes, but does your headlamp run on AC or DC? HIDs need DC, so you might have to go for a full DC conversion. There must be a thread somewhere on xBHP which describes the process. Search for it.

To run 55w HID, you'll need 1.66 amps gain over stock from whatever stator you'll plonk! and why do you need a Skoda reflector for 55w HID? Just align your beam low enough so that it doesn't hurt anyone (plus, make use of whatever lighting is available on the road, not at the moon).

I often see stupid DMFs here in Bangalore riding their ZMAs, Hero Honda, and what not with 10000K, 12000K HIDs pointing towards the moon! Sick!

[RAPTOR 5992]

thnx for the help awesomeo and yup will surely check with the output of the self start variant of the coil and one more ques will my reflector be able to bear the heat of 55w hid and according to u what temp rated hid i should go for 8000k or 6000k aur any suggestions from u would be appriciated
thnx in advance

[Sauravh]

H4-3 Bixenon HID has both beams ( Low & high ) & is good than those HID having one beam as hid & other halogen . Those rings are called as angel eye , generally you would get only single angel eye hid projectors , but those in the pictures are double angel eyes hid projectors .

Can someone please exlain the bold part; does it mean that Both xenon and Halogen in same housing... as per my little knowledge, HIDs uses xenon gas in the housing and Halogen refers to use of Halogen elements (gas form) in the Bulb housing.

I may be wrong... So please enlighten me..

[sajjt]

To run 55w HID, you'll need 1.66 amps gain over stock from whatever stator you'll plonk! and why do you need a Skoda reflector for 55w HID? Just align your beam low enough so that it doesn't hurt anyone (plus, make use of whatever lighting is available on the road, not at the moon).

How can it be standadised to 1.66A to any coil, different coil produces different levels of current. Charging rate has to be calculated in line with the total load. A 35W HID will take 3-3.5A depends on brands after stabilization. A 55W HID will also take 5-5.5A after stabilization. Considering the normal stock charging rates are less than 2A (AC lighting bikes) as the battery utilization is limited to cranking and honking mainly plus the turn/brake lights. So An upgrade of not more than 2A wont be suffice to run a 55W HID even on high ways AFAIK.

HID on reflectors are a mess to others and for the driver as well. You will not be getting full benefits of extra lumens it produces due to the incorrect optic selection and light source difference etc. thereby the reflector will compliment with stray glares and you'll loose the distant visibility than the stock halogen. All you'll get is a true floodlight system which can offer best peripheral visibility than a 100W halogen (thanks to the MFR)at the cost of others visibility and safety. You cant eliminate the glares from a HID on reflectors even if you point it too low, it will reduce to some extent still it will hurt the oncoming traffic and you'll loose the spread by lowering the dome to lower position. From a drivers point of view it will not hurt others, but take a wall projection from 20ft distance, you'll know the damage to others or ask your friend to drive it from the opposite direction and assess the light throw from 100mts to get an idea. 35W HID is too much for reflectors for the glares so imagine the damage it causes with a 55W HID.

My 2 cents, If you are sensible and responsible, consider putting it in projectors as its the only way to reduce glares to a good extent. Also can we restrict the rides to only within city limits where enough street lights are available?

[Above_All]

Can someone please exlain the bold part; does it mean that Both xenon and Halogen in same housing... as per my little knowledge, HIDs uses xenon gas in the housing and Halogen refers to use of Halogen elements (gas form) in the Bulb housing.

I may be wrong... So please enlighten me..

In this same thread some pages back sajit bro has posted a image of HID+Halo combo H4 bulb http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/universa...tml#post617304

[sambha_yamaha]

more light for hero splender

hi,
some one sujjest me how can i increse my splenders head light.
for more brighter light.
plz help me.

[lockhrt999]

Anyone know where I can get Phillips premium 55/60W halogen bulb in Pune? I asked at few places they didn't have it.

[awesomeo]

Can someone please exlain the bold part; does it mean that Both xenon and Halogen in same housing... as per my little knowledge, HIDs uses xenon gas in the housing and Halogen refers to use of Halogen elements (gas form) in the Bulb housing.

I may be wrong... So please enlighten me..

Bixenon comes with a solenoid which moves back and forth to toggle between high and low beam. But there are some HIDs which use standard halogen as low beam and HID as high beam. It comes in one single unit.

thnx for the help awesomeo and yup will surely check with the output of the self start variant of the coil and one more ques will my reflector be able to bear the heat of 55w hid and according to u what temp rated hid i should go for 8000k or 6000k aur any suggestions from u would be appriciated
thnx in advance

Not sure of about your bike's reflector. I have no first hand experience, but a lot of people told me that my Pulsar 200's reflector would melt with 55w, and it didn't. I used it for 30K odd kilometers that way with OSRAM Nightbreakers. No issues whatsoever. Now, that being said, one of my friend managed to melt his P200's reflector with the same bulb. I think I was just lucky, I don't know!

I've been running 55w on my R15 for about 500 kms now. No signs of any damage. I think you'll just need to risk it and try it. One fellow xBHP member, Ravi Sanjeev has been running 55w on his low beam (R15) forever now.

Worst case, you'll have to get a new reflector (which you were anyways planning to abandon)

How can it be standadised to 1.66A to any coil, different coil produces different levels of current. Charging rate has to be calculated in line with the total load. A 35W HID will take 3-3.5A depends on brands after stabilization. A 55W HID will also take 5-5.5A after stabilization. Considering the normal stock charging rates are less than 2A (AC lighting bikes) as the battery utilization is limited to cranking and honking mainly plus the turn/brake lights. So An upgrade of not more than 2A wont be suffice to run a 55W HID even on high ways AFAIK.

HID on reflectors are a mess to others and for the driver as well. You will not be getting full benefits of extra lumens it produces due to the incorrect optic selection and light source difference etc. thereby the reflector will compliment with stray glares and you'll loose the distant visibility than the stock halogen. All you'll get is a true floodlight system which can offer best peripheral visibility than a 100W halogen (thanks to the MFR)at the cost of others visibility and safety. You cant eliminate the glares from a HID on reflectors even if you point it too low, it will reduce to some extent still it will hurt the oncoming traffic and you'll loose the spread by lowering the dome to lower position. From a drivers point of view it will not hurt others, but take a wall projection from 20ft distance, you'll know the damage to others or ask your friend to drive it from the opposite direction and assess the light throw from 100mts to get an idea. 35W HID is too much for reflectors for the glares so imagine the damage it causes with a 55W HID.

My 2 cents, If you are sensible and responsible, consider putting it in projectors as its the only way to reduce glares to a good extent. Also can we restrict the rides to only within city limits where enough street lights are available?

Sajjit, we are actually on the same page here. I told him that he needs to go for a full DC conversion, which means he'll have to modify the coil and ensure his stock lighting works perfectly with DC. Or I'd rather say, I presumed that was obvious. No doubt, he needs much more than that, if he is going to plug his 55w halo straight to the battery. His battery would discharge faster than it can charge.

You are right about the power consumption of a 55w HID, but the difference between 55w and 35w is just 2amps, correct?

As far as Projectors are concerned, I'm not a good person to handle this question. I personally don't like messing around with my reflector housing, I want to retain my bike as stock (READ: Stock looking :P ) as possible.

That's the reason why I didn't opt for HIDs in the first place. I don't want to be a menace on the road blinding other people! But if someone truly wants to go the HID way, without breaking the lens or investing money on the projector, the least he could do is align his headlamps low. Throwing light on moon serves no purpose to anyone! Not even you!

I see some really stupid morons driving around with 8000K, 10000K bling HIDs within their stock reflector. I truly hate such people!

[sajjt]

Sajjit, we are actually on the same page here. I told him that he needs to go for a full DC conversion, which means he'll have to modify the coil and ensure his stock lighting works perfectly with DC. Or I'd rather say, I presumed that was obvious. No doubt, he needs much more than that, if he is going to plug his 55w halo straight to the battery. His battery would discharge faster than it can charge.

You are right about the power consumption of a 55w HID, but the difference between 55w and 35w is just 2amps, correct?

As far as Projectors are concerned, I'm not a good person to handle this question. I personally don't like messing around with my reflector housing, I want to retain my bike as stock (READ: Stock looking :P ) as possible.

That's the reason why I didn't opt for HIDs in the first place. I don't want to be a menace on the road blinding other people! But if someone truly wants to go the HID way, without breaking the lens or investing money on the projector, the least he could do is align his headlamps low. Throwing light on moon serves no purpose to anyone! Not even you!

I see some really stupid morons driving around with 8000K, 10000K bling HIDs within their stock reflector. I truly hate such people!

My point was without rewinding and going for DC conv on stock coils will load the battery to get it fried not even on low rpms but at the time of startup as HID is totally different from a Halogen. Halogen power consumption will be almost consistent but on HIDs its varies. A 35W HID will sip not less than 6-9A depends on brands, so imagine what would be the load if its a 55W? It will take not less than 10-12A where the battery could supply max of 9A. So the difference is more than 2A when considering these facts, hence the statement.

IMO, while calculating the load and charging rate we need to consider the start up loss also ie; at least 25% of the start up current to be added to the required rate to avoid drain during low rpm drives. Hope I cleared what I meant to convey.

I was also riding with a HID on reflectors but once I came to know the issues with it, I started observing things from others point of view. Whenever some one with HID on reflectors from behind its easily gets noticed as the eyes will get sore from the mirror reflection, but this can be tackled by twisting the mirror but what will do when its from opposite side? Soon I converted my setup to projectors and on the legal side with a proper beam spread, the RTO will not agree this though. Now am sick of these HIDs on reflectors mostly are 6oook or higher and worst thing is many of them are on high beams riders

We can't control these fellows but we can make them aware of the damage they are causing.

[BikerKid]

I am looking to get a hazard light's setup on my pulsar 135, i found some que's to it but i can't understand them, it's going over my head. If someone can please advise which of the following strategies should i go for? i don't want to hinder with individual working of L/R signal and should be reliable.

[Abhijeet Bhattacharjee]

I am looking to get a hazard light's setup on my pulsar 135, i found some que's to it but i can't understand them, it's going over my head. If someone can please advise which of the following strategies should i go for? i don't want to hinder with individual working of L/R signal and should be reliable.

I think I can help you. just tap the hot wire i.e. common wire from the stock flasher & connect it to a switch, to the other end of the switch connect both the turn indicator lamps, that'll be enough. EASY BEEZEE!!!

[shoeb2015]

I think I can help you. just tap the hot wire i.e. common wire from the stock flasher & connect it to a switch, to the other end of the switch connect both the turn indicator lamps, that'll be enough. EASY BEEZEE!!!

I don't think this is going to work as the stock relay is load operated,which means that if there is any change in the amount of load the flashing duration also changes a lot.
Anyways Check the tip given by abhijeet,I could be wrong

[Abhijeet Bhattacharjee]

I don't think this is going to work as the stock relay is load operated,which means that if there is any change in the amount of load the flashing duration also changes a lot.
Anyways Check the tip given by abhijeet,I could be wrong

the increased load will change the flashing rate I agree but it serves the purpose without much of a headache or if you want constant flash-rate use my flasher...

[Sarvajit]

My attempt at a small LED strip mod...