Not sure if we've all been trolled or what... but obviously the guy was looking for some other sort of bike. That doesn't mean you all have to gang up on him.

c'mon folks!! Grow up!! You just cant corner him and start throwing words at him just because he didn't like the bike YOU folks own!!! He's just speakin his heart out.. Give him and US a break... I'm sure were all mature enough and can understand situations and react to it rather then acting like an angry super star fan .... Think about it.... Enough said.. bury this here.. and move on

I can surely say that you will not be happy with your 100cc bike either for a long time. Come back after two yrs of owning the bike you are going to buy next and tell me if I am wrong. Your post spells out loud bad riding and bad maintenance to me. I have ridden my fazer for 12000km as of today that too in three months and I can say the bike is surely worth the price and reliable if proper care is taken while riding as well as servicing.

First change your riding habits and maintaining and see the results.

This is what I feel about your riding and its just my opinion. There may be other reasons for you but consider this just as an advice.

I would personally suggest a tvs max4r for you because it is really a good work horse and will suit your needs.

And also I would suggest you getting a performance bike when you are earning, because most people(including me) realize the worth of the bike and take proper care because we put our hard earned money in it instead of wasting our parents'. By that time you will be mature enough to ride responsibly.

You are sure about that?If yes that is a great news coz that is a stock R15 territory!

Hi I am actually more interested in knowing the exact rpm at which you are able to attain such speeds.... this will give us a fair idea in terms of how much the relaxed the engine has become post 180cc heart implant.. if i can remember correctly the bike starts stressing close to 8k rpm at speeds of 95+ kmph... what i want to know is has the rpm reduced to say 5.5k - 6.5k rpm for attaining the same speed>>

thanks and cheers

Excuse me, SHV, but there seem to be a lot of confusion in your post between speed, rpm, power, and reduction ratio.

The only way to change the rpm at which the same speed is attained (or the speed for the same rpm) is to change the reduction ratio somewhere along the drive train, the most usual and easiest being to change front and/ or rear sprockets. Nothing to do with the engine capacity, power, etc: just reduction ratio.

Besides that, unless your bike and mine do not have the same reduction ratio, the figure you cite seem far from mine: 8,000 rpm giving 95+ kmh...??!?!!??? You got to be in fourth (joking!). I shift into fifth gear at about 8,000/ 8,500 rpm= 90 kmh approx when I want to take over some truck or else. Too busy driving in such circumstance to look at the meters, sure, but at 8,000/ 8,500 rpm in fifth, I am flirting with 120kmh. Can't really go faster, which seems to be in concordance with everybody's report, hence showing my speedometer/ rev meter seem as accurate (or inaccurate?) as other's!

Talking about when to shift gear, by the way: yes, many will consider that shifting into fifth at such revs is nonsense, but I found that this allows me to get over a "hollow" in acceleration that I get in fifth at about 7,000 rpm. Below that, it's good, once over 7,500 is OK, but there is definitely a "hollow" there. So, the way is too rev-up high in fourth (some 8,500 rpm) , which the bike does without difficulties, so that when you shift into fifth you are already at or above 7,500 rpm. and have sort of "jumped" over this "hollow".

Well: Although being probably one of the oldest bikers here, I like to ride, and ride fast!!

@Lucky Luke:

Hi,

The reason for the query for the same is because souped up r15s by Joel have reported 500-1000 rpm lesser than they earlier used to rev to attain the same speed resulting significant increase in FE and engine becoming more relaxed. So just want to check if that is true with souped up FZ's as well. Kindly check the 'Joelled R15s' threads in the universal section to confirm the same.

Cheers

Come on guys, we should be ready to take some criticism on FZ also, Its not a perfect bike that no one will criticize. This is ownership thread not a fan club.


* Agree with low fuel thing, yes yamaha is misleading by telling fuel economy is 45-50 kmpl, where as actual is 25-35 kmpl. Common more powerful bike ZMR or Pulsar 220 or CBR 250R gives better mileage than this. If it gives less mileage and more powerful then fine, but lesser power lesser mileage is not a thing we can appreciate on. Not sure what the problem is, but even the stunned SZ-R is reported to give lesser mileage. If FFE can take mileage to 45 kmpl from 27kmpl, then is the culprit the silencer ?

* Tyre is worse, i thought they just experimented on us. If we examine any FZ atleast 7-10 will be running with puncture. Yes the anti-puncture solution did solve my problem after facing too much problem with rear Tyre. @shv18 And i don't think Bangalore roads are not too different from Mumbai, if rear tyre was soo good why no single puncture on front tyre and at-least 20 punctures on rear for me. If we go to SVC for servicing this will be major part of discussion, how to stop Tyre getting puncture, apart from mileage among owners.

* Anything above the speed of 80 kmph its really slow, i have seen even 125 cc bikes like stunner overtaking this.

* Maintenance cost is low, i don't remember spending anything else other than tyre repairs. . Also resale is not bad.

Hi,
At the risk of repeating myself, there is no-way the ratio between the engine rpm and the speed (wheel rpm) can vary, whatever mods on the engine, unless this is accompanied by a change in the reduction, somewhere. This can be different rear tyre/ wheel diameter, different rear/ front sprocket sizes, or different gear ratios inside the gear-box. No other way.

Joel might not have mentioned it in his threads (sorry: these are long and, really, no need to go through them) but if he reports such thing, this bike has inevitably got other changes as well: one or more of the here-above.

Thanks Samarth_M & jacob, I was about to say this .
Guys please give him a break, it was just a wrong choice for him and I think he is frustrated because the bike is nowhere close to his expectations.

You are correct. The easiest way is to change the sprockets & tyres. But I would love to know something new .

See my response inline in bold

Hi My Answers Below:

Hope everyone takes this as a healthy discussion and not a flame war

all in good faith,

Cheers

Hi,

no need to stress on repeating your statement..your logical conclusion is right... i am just posting my query based on what i have read from other Joelled bikers ownership experience who initially started with only stage 1 big bore kit (165cc) without any sprocket changes and witnessed a drop in rpm for attaining the same speed their bikes would rev 500-1k more when in stock condition. Hence, the curiosity.

Anyways, i would request Rohan to kindly reply to my query for the same and put a rest to this mundane query that's all.

Cheers

@DigitalD
Most likely YAMAHA will use the 140/70 as stock tires for the next FZ.
Yeah,few of my friends and me had a small chat about this when one of them reported RPM changes with the 192 bore for the RTR.No conclusion though.

@digitalD @shv18

There has been soo much been said about FZ mileage, i think its time we should have a poll on it, so that we have some real data not extreme cases.

I did get mileage of 40-45 kmpl when i was riding like splendor during run-in. But having driving RX-100 for 10 years i cannot ride it like that. Most times i rip it, and get between 30-32 kmpl. But i used to rip my RX-100 more than this but used to get mileage of 35-40 kmpl easily.