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  • Originally posted by kinshuk.arya View Post
    my opinion of the above discussion is that fz is NOT a free revving machine...... dont even try to make it one..... it hates being redlined in any gear..... wont touch redline in fifth and if by any chance you try it for a long time in any other be sure you are about to get a busted engine.....

    P.S: doing a SS run on fz is way too dangerous for the bike for the above mentioned reason.... i know some people have already done it and all but keeping the bike constantly @ speeds of 95-100kmph for hours is going to take a toll on the bike....

    i was also planning a SS on my fz but after my calculation i decided against it because of the following reason....

    SS1600 almost 1700km in 24 hours of this 1700 kms taking into account an average of 25kmpl and 15 liters of fuel approximately amount of fuel required is around 70 liters that would mean a minimum of 5 fuel breaks after every 375kms. and after almost 400 kms one might take at least 35-45 minutes of break for the butt for the body for the bike etc. that means 35*5 = 175 minutes lost for normal breaks if you take out these 3 hours you will be left with 21 hours for 1700 km not including any traffic jams while crossing cities, railway crossings etc. that bboils down to 81kmph of average speed which would mean cutting pretty close to redline all the time you see a stretch of road.....

    so whoever is trying an SS1600 on fz please make sure to do your homework properly and if possible do a dry run before the attempt....
    Hi,

    I would say i disagree on this. FZ is a capable machine and people have successfully completed SS runs without any glitch.. in my case i regularly end up doing 250 - 500 kms runs without any trouble. But at the same time i would say in case of any air cooled engine, if one runs on the redline for extremely long distances, it will result in metal fatigue. If the engine of the FZ was so fragile like you feel, i should have had already witnessed a catastrophic engine seizure by now and my FZ-X has hit 21,000 kms on the ODO and she is free revving and trouble free besides the regular maintenance which i have been religiously taking care of and minute hiccups on the way. Please consider this not as a personal attack or anything but rather a healthy discussion..

    Like Abhimanyu31 tells me, your bike speaks to you. May be by showing different symptoms right from handling to coughing and other signs before switching off for good. If one keeps certain things under mind while doing long distance riding there will be no problem whatsoever.. heck i have done 300 km runs during the early days of ownership on Motul Mineral 20W 40 without any hassle. Ofcourse post that long ride the life of the mineral oil wears out very quickly say from the usual 3000 kms in my case to 2200-2500 kms!!

    What i would recommend is keeping speed under a limit which doesnot stress your engine to the redline... modulate your speeds and in between give her the proper belting she deserves but again not for a very long duration. Or a simple 15T mod for regular highway rides should do the trick.. else for performance hungry enthusiast get JOELLED . Other Senior riders may fill in their comments and correct me if i am wrong on this. I have been following this method all my life and non of the rides have ever let me down.


    Cheers,
    Last edited by shv18; 06-08-2012, 12:15 PM.
    A quote by a toilet, " use me well, keep me clean, i would never tell anybody whatever i have seen.." :P

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    • Originally posted by shv18 View Post
      Hi,

      I would say i disagree on this. FZ is a capable machine and people have successfully completed SS runs without any glitch.. in my case i regularly end up doing 250 - 500 kms runs without any trouble. But at the same time i would say in case of any air cooled engine, if one runs on the redline for extremely long distances, it will result in metal fatigue. If the engine of the FZ was so fragile like you feel, i should have had already witnessed a catastrophic engine seizure by now and my FZ-X has hit 21,000 kms on the ODO and she is free revving and trouble free besides the regular maintenance which i have been religiously taking care of and minute hiccups on the way. Please consider this not as a personal attack or anything but rather a healthy discussion..

      Like Abhimanyu31 tells me, your bike speaks to you. May be by showing different symptoms right from handling to coughing and other signs before switching off for good. If one keeps certain things under mind while doing long distance riding there will be no problem whatsoever.. heck i have done 300 km runs during the early days of ownership on Motul Mineral 20W 40 without any hassle. Ofcourse post that long ride the life of the mineral oil wears out very quickly say from the usual 3000 kms in my case to 2200-2500 kms!!

      What i would recommend is keeping speed under a limit which doesnot stress your engine to the redline... modulate your speeds and in between give her the proper belting she deserves but again not for a very long duration. Or a simple 15T mod for regular highway rides should do the trick.. else for performance hungry enthusiast get JOELLED . Other Senior riders may fill in their comments and correct me if i am wrong on this. I have been following this method all my life and non of the rides have ever let me down.


      Cheers,
      dont worry dude, i am always in a for a healthy discussion... i have also completed some long rides nearing 550kms and above in a single day.... the point i was trying to make is that FZ is no doubt a good bike and am not even thinking of changing it even with the launch of the p200ns....

      what i was trying to say in a nutshell is untill and unless one's body is able to handle almost continuous riding for around 21 hours one should not attempt an SS1600 on the FZ as if one's body is not able to handle that stress and you would require more breaks in between it will only increase the stress on the bike as one will start to stretch it more than required....

      and about the 15T mod i dont think i will be doing it anytime because i like the way it takes of from standstill.....

      and yeah fully joeled fz with the 15T will be a good one for both the highways and the city.
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      • @shv18: From my experience I can say that its not a Rev-Happy engine. Keep it in city and you will enjoy it. Take it to highways and it lets you down with the sluggish performance. Its not a highway performer in any way and this is what I feel.

        @kinshuk.arya: Completely agree with whatever you said.
        BTW one question for you. Why are you selling your projector setup?

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        • Originally posted by RAK View Post
          @shv18: From my experience I can say that its not a Rev-Happy engine. Keep it in city and you will enjoy it. Take it to highways and it lets you down with the sluggish performance. Its not a highway performer in any way and this is what I feel.

          @kinshuk.arya: Completely agree with whatever you said.
          BTW one question for you. Why are you selling your projector setup?
          using a full blown HID now instead of the setup.
          Timon: Orange Yamaha FZ16 2009
          Optimus: Red Mahindra XUV500 W8 FWD 2013
          Atom: Red Tata Nano XTA 2016
          Pumba: Red Harley Street 750

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          • Originally posted by RAK View Post
            @shv18: From my experience I can say that its not a Rev-Happy engine. Keep it in city and you will enjoy it. Take it to highways and it lets you down with the sluggish performance. Its not a highway performer in any way and this is what I feel.
            Hi Bro,

            I am stressing on the fact that one can do long distance run on this bike without the engine's realibility getting affected. I am not not talking about the stock bike's highway performance. Hence, I have clearly labelled RCing the rides for performance enthusiast. Primarily in my case, the character of the bike has completely changed due to the FFE.


            Cheers,
            A quote by a toilet, " use me well, keep me clean, i would never tell anybody whatever i have seen.." :P

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            • Originally posted by shv18 View Post
              Hi Bro,

              I am stressing on the fact that one can do long distance run on this bike without the engine's realibility getting affected. I am not not talking about the stock bike's highway performance. Hence, I have clearly labelled RCing the rides for performance enthusiast. Primarily in my case, the character of the bike has completely changed due to the FFE.


              Cheers,
              Completely changed just with the FFE? No headwork or big bore? Are you using the center stand or detached it? Am ordering my FFE by the end of this month.
              Should I start using FS 300V from now on? Is it double ester,single ester? Noob at this,hence asking.

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              • Originally posted by SpeedyKol View Post
                Completely changed just with the FFE? No headwork or big bore? Are you using the center stand or detached it? Am ordering my FFE by the end of this month.
                Should I start using FS 300V from now on? Is it double ester,single ester? Noob at this,hence asking.
                motul fs 300v 15W50 is double ester. i started using this oil post run in. It made a world's difference on mine
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                • Originally posted by shv18 View Post
                  Hi Bro,

                  I am stressing on the fact that one can do long distance run on this bike without the engine's realibility getting affected. I am not not talking about the stock bike's highway performance. Hence, I have clearly labelled RCing the rides for performance enthusiast. Primarily in my case, the character of the bike has completely changed due to the FFE.


                  Cheers,
                  Okay if you are talking about reliability here then I agree with you . One of the most reliable machines. Few months ago month I actually kissed my bike when I completed 750 Kms in 12 hours without any issues.

                  Hey will meet you someday in Mumbai. I need to hear the sound of FFE.

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                  • RAK,keep the gandhijis ready when you go to hear the sound,as you will surely end up ordering it from Joel. The sound is an addiction.

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                    • Originally posted by kinshuk.arya View Post
                      my opinion of the above discussion is that fz is NOT a free revving machine...... dont even try to make it one..... it hates being redlined in any gear..... wont touch redline in fifth and if by any chance you try it for a long time in any other be sure you are about to get a busted engine.....

                      P.S: doing a SS run on fz is way too dangerous for the bike for the above mentioned reason.... i know some people have already done it and all but keeping the bike constantly @ speeds of 95-100kmph for hours is going to take a toll on the bike....

                      i was also planning a SS on my fz but after my calculation i decided against it because of the following reason....

                      SS1600 almost 1700km in 24 hours of this 1700 kms taking into account an average of 25kmpl and 15 liters of fuel approximately amount of fuel required is around 70 liters that would mean a minimum of 5 fuel breaks after every 375kms. and after almost 400 kms one might take at least 35-45 minutes of break for the butt for the body for the bike etc. that means 35*5 = 175 minutes lost for normal breaks if you take out these 3 hours you will be left with 21 hours for 1700 km not including any traffic jams while crossing cities, railway crossings etc. that bboils down to 81kmph of average speed which would mean cutting pretty close to redline all the time you see a stretch of road.....

                      so whoever is trying an SS1600 on fz please make sure to do your homework properly and if possible do a dry run before the attempt....
                      Pretty much the reason why my SS is on hold..The earlier FZ could still do it.. The latest bread is just not there... But none the less I love my Fazer for the comfort and handling.. Its a pleasure
                      Yamaha Fazer 2011 13600km in 8 months and counting

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                      • Originally posted by SpeedyKol View Post
                        Completely changed just with the FFE? No headwork or big bore? Are you using the center stand or detached it? Am ordering my FFE by the end of this month.
                        Should I start using FS 300V from now on? Is it double ester,single ester? Noob at this,hence asking.
                        Hi,

                        My FFE Gen had the issue of the center stand hitting the Exhaust. However, i am not at all bothered about it and i am using the center stand. In terms of performance and bump in FE, well i have done extensive write up on this thread. You simply have to click on my id and go through the history of stuff i have written about my ownership experience with the FFE.

                        I believe the new gen FFEs don't have that issue.

                        I have also posted a video for the same earlier, however due to compression of video the quality went down drastically. anyways here is the link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2m5F...e=results_main
                        Like Rylan has mentioned Motul 300V Factory Line 15W 50 FS Oil. Please note Single ester is SS Oil and FS Oil is Double ester in case of Motul.

                        Originally posted by rylan View Post
                        motul fs 300v 15W50 is double ester. i started using this oil post run in. It made a world's difference on mine
                        @Rylan totally agreed.

                        Originally posted by RAK View Post
                        Okay if you are talking about reliability here then I agree with you . One of the most reliable machines. Few months ago month I actually kissed my bike when I completed 750 Kms in 12 hours without any issues.

                        Hey will meet you someday in Mumbai. I need to hear the sound of FFE.
                        Sure will do PM me your no.



                        Cheers,
                        A quote by a toilet, " use me well, keep me clean, i would never tell anybody whatever i have seen.." :P

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                        • Originally posted by shv18 View Post
                          Hi,
                          I believe the new gen FFEs don't have that issue.
                          Cheers,
                          Read everything...I hope the issues have been fixed,as I hate any kind of scratch on my Yammy baby. Can u attach the latest pic of ur ride,where the center stand hits the FFE. I want to see it.Hope its not a problem for you.

                          Btw,am not at all happy with the stock lights on my Fazer.Gonna do a projector/HID conversion in a few months hopefully.

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                          • Originally posted by SpeedyKol View Post
                            RAK,keep the gandhijis ready when you go to hear the sound,as you will surely end up ordering it from Joel. The sound is an addiction.
                            Originally posted by SpeedyKol View Post
                            Read everything...I hope the issues have been fixed,as I hate any kind of scratch on my Yammy baby. Can u attach the latest pic of ur ride,where the center stand hits the FFE. I want to see it.Hope its not a problem for you.

                            Btw,am not at all happy with the stock lights on my Fazer.Gonna do a projector/HID conversion in a few months hopefully.
                            Before FFE I am thinking of getting the Projector-HID setup as the stock lights sucks big time. But somehow I am not convinced with the local guys who do jugaad with the projector setup and I don't wanna end up with a drained battery after using the setup. So if anyone has some good contacts and reliable guys in Mumbai who do projector-HID setup then I will be more than happy.

                            Originally posted by shv18 View Post
                            Sure will do PM me your no.

                            Cheers,
                            Will do it. Thanks.

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                            • Guys, a noob FZ user here. been out of motorcycling for quite a few years due to various reasons, so bought a 2010 May black-green FZ-S just one week ago. The bike is in really nice condition, the previous owner took real good care for it and it's quite pristine in condition and a sweet ride, really happy about it.
                              Now the trouble, when the bike is put on center-stand, both the tyres reach the ground, the rear wheel rests quite firmly on the ground. So, is it normal? Or do i have to change/ repair the stand? how much should it cost, in the case it has to be changed?
                              Finally, thanks ya'll for this great thread.
                              Last edited by indyana; 10-04-2012, 08:03 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by shv18 View Post
                                Like Rylan has mentioned Motul 300V Factory Line 15W 50 FS Oil. Please note Single ester is SS Oil and FS Oil is Double ester in case of Motul.
                                Motul Factory line 300v is full synthetic double ester.
                                Motul 7100 is full synthetic single ester.
                                Motul 5100 is semi synthetic(Base oil is Mineral).
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