where can i get System G in Pune??? probably near Pimpri....

Hi guys,

Today I'm gonna buy chain lube but I have found that using WD-40 and chain lube is not right and this confirmed by WD-40 manufacturing personnel ( I have read this in a forum). So I'm confused of how to use chain lube alone. In DIY section, I find that first we need to clean the chain with WD-40 and then lube with chain lubricant. Please help

First Paid service @ 10k+ km

Thank you. So yeah, I read through previous posts and understood that it is for cleaning the fuel path!

And guys, I serviced my bike yesterday. SVC guys were courteous enough to let me be there for the whole time when my bike was serviced. It was such a nice learning experience to see the bike dismantled and getting back into the shape!

Things done during service:

Engine Oil changed - Since my bike had done 10k+ km, I shifted from Yamalube Mineral oil to Motul 300v Factory Line FS 15W50. Ride and gear shift are now smoother than ever.

Replaced spark plug, oil filter, air filter, front fork oil.
Cleaned and lubed chain.
Front disc and rear brake pads checked.

I have learnt a few DIY jobs during this service. Planning to get a tool kit and get my hands dirty with this wonderful creature.

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kmk

Go for LS2. Visit wellington,ask for Dev's shop. Before buying bargain, and also try to know the price in other shops also. Else you can visit BP rodies in shyam bazar. If you want to visit Dev's i can give you his contact no. And dont buy vega motocross/offroad. it looks nice but on long rides too much air noise and air gets in. Opt for a full helmet. LS is definitely a very good choice

Bro, just had a small doubt. System -G has Xylene in it. it smells like xylene.Isnt it?. And xylene works as a octane inducer... I am not sure bro.. can you plz confirm it from the IFTEX engineers. Can you plz check it once. cheers ..

Hi shv18,

I was just going through iftex website, along with the system G you mentioned here, there was another Fuel additive too, which they recommend for 2 wheelers but has a higher dosage. Do check it out.

Cheers!!

Yes I can confirm with first hand experience xylene (and toluene) are both cleaners but more often than not used to help raise octane in Petrol.

Here is an excerpt taken from Toluene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Toluene can be used as an octane booster in gasoline fuels used in internal combustion engines. Toluene at 86% by volume fueled all the turbo Formula 1 teams in the 1980s, first pioneered by the Honda team. The remaining 14% was a "filler" of n-heptane, to reduce the octane to meet Formula 1 fuel restrictions. Toluene at 100% can be used as a fuel for both two-stroke and four-stroke engines; however, due to the density of the fuel and other factors, the fuel does not vaporize easily unless preheated to 70 degrees Celsius (Honda accomplished this in their Formula 1 cars by routing the fuel lines through the muffler system to heat the fuel). Toluene also poses similar problems as alcohol fuels, as it eats through standard rubber fuel lines and has no lubricating properties, as standard gasoline does,[citation needed] which can break down fuel pumps and cause upper cylinder bore wear.

We used to use a 1/3rd toluene or xylene and 2/3 96RON petrol to help bring the octane higher (over 100RON was our goal to power our street cars when going to the races both legal and illegal)

Here is the wiki on xylene
Xylene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
" In the petroleum industry, xylene is also a frequent component of paraffin solvents; used when the tubing becomes clogged with paraffin wax"

Thanks for the technical input MIK


May be it is a new introduction... however i am happy with System G's performance so shall stick to it.


Mik has already provided a very good info on the same.. As per my conversation with the rep.. the same was mentioned. Not an octane booster but for cleaning only.

Cheers,

The big bang theory :P

You will need a lot more than the % of xylene/toluene in that 10mL metered amount per tank to be of any benefit.
If you do want to try and raise the octane of your pump gas try getting some. Its readily available at painting supply stores as a paint thinner.
Try small ratios at first and add to it (and lessen the amount of fuel mixed with it) eg 10/90, 20/80. 30/70 will (possibly) be your limit but its upto you to decide. I can only say we used 1/3rd toluene and 2/3rd petrol.
Easiest method is to mix up a batch and then transfer it to your tank.

The only downside to using high octane fuels is you need to tune your engine to take advantage of the bigger bang. Advance the timing a lot more so your spark is introduced much earlier so it can burn the more potent fuel.
With cars its easy to advance/retard the timing (rotate the distributor/cam/crank angle sensor while putting the ecu into diagnostic mode on efi cars) With our bikes you will need to be able to play with your CDI or get a CDI with pre programed maps to take advantage of the higher octane fuel.

If you only plan on using it as a single event then you will have to change back to the previous configuration (if you do change the "settings") or just leave it stock and use your "bum dyno" to get a feel. Just remember you won't be taking full advantage of the increased octane. Our bikes are set up to be able to use pump fuel, also a safety margin with regards to bad fuel.

Having said that, you can also easily damage your engine, Incorrect tune and you end up with a piston as a ashtray or a paperweight conversation piece. However that is not too likely as we are not talking about big powered engines tuned to the limit.
You most likely will end up with a blackened exhaust and black exhaust smoke coming out your muffler because your bike is running very rich.
If your bike is completely stock then don't bother too much with trying to gain using octane boosting as your primary source of power.
It will just leave a big hole in your wallet, Look for other means to make the power (air filter, carb, bore up kits, head work, exhaust, CDI), the fuel is what helps support it.
If you are building a race/exotic fueled engine then yes, your high octane fuel/ racing fuel will be your major influence to your engine build.

In our cases fuel is just something we put in the tank (some of us very sparingly it seems) to get from A - B

Hi, everybody.I have been following xbhp for long time as i am using fz 16 which belongs to my cousin.Thank you all of you for sharing for knowledge, which has been tremendous help for me.
Some time before i came to know about Joels performance kits for fz and there were always positive reviews about them.Now i am thinking of upgrading the fz.So would it be worth following Joel.
I am not disrespecting Joel but i have few question in my mind.
Don't know why i always believe stock is best but it has got reasonable logic behind it.
1)free flow exhaust:I have always heard and read about performance and mileage gain by use of ffe and always loved the way Joels one sound but why any of bike company don't come with ffe.It makes me feel like there is some dark side of it too.It seems like every thing was done to minimize weight of fz but why dint they come with ffe which could have decreased bikes weight by few kgs.
2)180 cc bore from race concept is supposed to increase performance but how can it increase mileage at the same time.Does Joel hold any technological patent.Is he using special technology

It is sure that yamaha team did hard work and spend a lot to come up with fz.I should salute Joel for his smart work if his kits are superior to yamaha.

@ Ishwar-
For Yamaha one size fits all!! They also have to keep Pollution levels and legal, environmental, noise etc aspects in mind.
But for some, performance is more important than PUC readings etc..
Though yamaha cant make 1 lakh vehicles with free flow exhausts for every tom dick and harry.. Some performance enthusiasts can, for a smaller genre.

No dark art, no exclusive technology there!

One is that Joel uses a higher quality forged piston, substantially more expensive to make than the stock cast piston. This allows it to be lighter, as well as able to withstand higher loads (and other advantages).
These high loads are due not only due to the increased diameter, but to the increased compression ration (I believe 11: instead of 9.5:1.
Higher compression translates into more power, but also fuel efficiency.
Free flow exhaust translates into more power too, which also means better FE....and NOISE!

For a manufacturer, costs are to be fought on every front. Forged pistons are good, but also are forged wheels, etc.....and a limit has to be drawn somewhere. The FZ is, basically, an "as cheap as possible" bike, with a few expenses here and there to increase the appeal (some bits of plastic= cheap!). The rear drum brake is a good example of these savings.
Pollution (including noise pollution) are well controlled in India (AFAIK), but are drastic in Europe for Example. To cope with this, they fit a (heavy but cheap) black steel muffler system, including a basic catalytic converter. Power is lost, comfort and respect of the environment are gained.
Riding your FZ-16 with FFE is simply illegal. I am not sure if it becomes legal with the Db. killer....which kills the power (and FE)!
A 150c. bike weighting 140 Kg. is by no-way showing weight saving "at all costs": a 1,000cc. Ducati weights only 40 kg. more.....and a Moto GP weights the same as a FZ-16!

Not quite the same price, though!

Both the senior riders have provided you good answers to your query so let me just add my liners to it.

FFE is actually illegal in India as per the Motor Vehicle Act. However, it is kinda easy to get away with it as half of the cops are not aware of any such rule and the nature of the looks of the FFE design, it doesn't catch the eye. I have been stopped for regular checking but never once anyone raised a question about the FFE .

A company however, has to adhere to the norms laid down by the govt. hence, has to use catalytic converters and sound muffling unit to keep the noise pollution under the specified limits as per the law.

Joel has indeed brought a revolution to after market tuning scene in India especially for bikes with quality and reliability at a price which was not earlier present. The quality of parts from RC's end are extremely high but at the same time for the manufacturer's end they have to keep the costs down to make FZ a mass appealing bike and at the same time their respective profit margins have to be kept in order. They are not doing charity after all right? If Yamaha followed what Joel did and produced a 180cc or a 200 variant, the price would be above 1.2 lakhs INR including their R&D and profit margin. May be you would be inclined to buy it but the question is will the other Indian users follow you? May be a few but not the rest of India where the general market is very price sensitive. So keeping those things into consideration Yamaha has kept a lot of parts at a low cost and kept the bike reachable to the general audience at a price band they are comfortable.

Thirdly, for a lot of unsatisfied customers from RC's product who have started hate threads.. well i can say only:

1) incorrect installation of the performance parts and not following the proper run in method advised by Joel. The big bore piston and the rings have a very tight tolerance. So it is imperative to follow the installation process very carefully..otherwise the piston rings will get warped and lead to engine seizure. One cannot go crazy and redline right from the moment one installs RC's products. Unless one is properly following the Motoman method for run-in which i would not recommend unless one knows what he is doing.

2) A lot of riders especially, Noobs feel that just because they have put in anodised piston and all the fancy named parts, one can always keep the engine on the redline at all the times and for very very long distances. No engine whether RC's tuned or OEM Yamaha will last for long if such treatment is given to it. It will lead to metal fatigue and eventually failure. Yes one can push the engine to the extreme with RC's parts however, if one is sensible these parts can outlast the stock's life.

3) A Bad shaped stock bike.. where the owner has not taken care of even the basic maintenance.. now if one plonks in RC's Big bore and other kits that doesnot mean that now the bike will be more powerful and will be better than stock. If the other parts like the piston rod, the gears etc. are already damaged and one installs a high compression kit, the engine is bound to fail. It is simple science.

The engine being mechanical in nature: the parts have to be in right shape and health to welcome the marriage between the base of the engine with the RC's kits to give the user a taste of full potential and reliability at the same time. A lot of riders seem to miss on those and then complain when the engine ceases.

Hope this is clear enough to you. Check out Rylan's thread.. he is having a blast with the upgrade.

Cheers,

guys did any one replaced their handlebar of fz16 with any custom made handle bar in bangalore.The oem handle is waste,even a stand still fall is bending the bar.any info???I realy need to change it.pls help asap