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**shv18** · 08-05-2012, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Mad Mik View Post

Like I said, There are 8 maps to choose from.

Maps 1-3 are for stock engines.
4-7 for modified engines
8 for racing engine running exotic fuels.

I don't see how you can ask about programmable maps with that information given to you

Looks pretty clear cut to me.

As for performance there is NO flat spots, Just the engine wanting to climb in RPM'S.
The easiest way to use this CDI is to use different map settings and find the one that works best with your current bike setup, Instead of trying to tune/rejett your bike to suit a certain number on the CDI.

I was told by one tuner in Philippines, Do not use aftermarket CDI and HID/Xenon lighting kits. The draw on the electrics may cause damage to the CDI. They have found out the hard way. I cannot verify this personally so take the warning with a grain of salt.

Hi the reason for the query,

Race Dynamics, the one who manufactures the ECU for R15 and for other brands have 2 versions.. RC and RR unit.. One which comes pre-programmed with 5 settings and the other one can be tuned (i.e. The one which Joel sells along with his custom tuned Maps).

When I had last checked with him, the Prototype CDI unit for FZ would be programmable i.e. All the 8/10 settings can be tuned by the owner or by a tuner.. So was just curious if that was the same case with your Unit.

Cheers,

**shv18** · 08-05-2012, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

The sad part of having a Tube less is that in our roads if you hit a pot hole the tire gets caught between the wheel rim and ground and the side wall and the ply gets hit badly...over a period of time it develops micro cracks and starts to leak..There is no permanent cure for this except change of tire, or put a tube inside ...If your tire has 50% life left then go the tube way,and if it is near it's end,say 20% tread left then change it...Just my thought

Well,
In my case, my ride has hit 22k+ kms and now almost 2 yrs old.. The tire compound is naturally becoming harder due to exposure to elements and there are cracks appearing in between the grooves of the tire. Although luckily, the rear tire alloy rim is just fine as I ensure that the tire pressure is periodically checked thanks to availability of free air fill ups at gas/petrol stations.

PSR Ji, I am really not keen on putting tube in the tire as I am ok with the tire losing air pressure slowly but would not like to risk sudden loss of tire pressure when I am busy gunning her on the tarmac.. The tire has lot of life left however, I believe just as a precautionary measure I will replace it around 24k kms. The RIDE ON TPS tire protection gel is doing its job brilliantly just that this one particular puncture is out of its covered area..

Your inputs in this thread are always welcome.

@All: sorry for multi-posting. My house is currently a mess thanks to rennovation hence, accessing the thread via mobile phone. Expect typo errors as well

Cheers,

**Lucky Luke** · 08-05-2012, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by shv18 View Post

Hehe,

Slight OT but I would say the monetary economics are different in India compared to other countries.. One cannot simply do a conversion and point out the difference.

I would pay less than $3/- for a McDonalds meal here but would end up paying may be $15-20 at USA.. So that way if convert, I am paying a hell lot more than what I would in India.. Have learnt it the hard way

.. So when one visits a particular country say Thailand consider 1 THB as 1(currency of your country) otherwise it really pinches you

..

Cheers,

Just a couple more OT lines, if you and others don't mind:

One: I do not live in USA, but in Vietnam! Salaries here are lower than those in India (for people with same degree in engineering, etc...). To compare, one has to convert using the International monetary exchange rate, but also, of course, the local costs of food, housing, energy, etc... compared to the local salary. As it happens, Indians get more from their salary than Vietnamese do! Just take that as an example: many pictures of your bikes show quite nice villas with garden, with cars in garage. Look at Vietnamese ones: the bikes are parked inside a darkish living room, systematically four meters wide, and not a single square meter of green!

Two: if India has import taxes equivalent to those in Vietnam (+200 %), our small country exports little besides sport shoes, cheap garment, broken rice and prawns! In the other hand, huge India been making cars (and bikes) and all sort of highly engineered products, all exported with high added value. Nearly all you need is produced in your country, while here most consumables besides food are imported from China (or India in the case of our FZs).

Taking the particular example of tyres for our bikes: you get a whole set for the equivalent of 80 US$....we have to pay over 200!!!

Lucky you are!

I will add that taking 1 to 1 exchange rate between this country's currency and yours for any country you are in for "valid comparison purpose" is nonsense! If the Thai Bath (your example: 1 US$= 32 THB) is not too far form INR (1US$= 55 INR), what if you apply that "rule" to the Vietnam Dong (1 US$= 22,000 VND!!!). The 3 US$ "Mc Do meal" (there is no such thing as a "meal" in synthetic Mc.Do food....!) would then be 66,000 VND. Do you think we could buy 22,000 "meals with our 66,000 VN???? No: we could just buy one....if we had Mac Do's here, that is!
also: you will be envious if I tell you I am paying my (very experienced) staff 15 millions a month. 11 laks, as you say! WOW!

**shv18** · 08-05-2012, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Lucky Luke View Post

Just a couple more OT lines, if you and others don't mind:

One: I do not live in USA, but in Vietnam! Salaries here are lower than those in India (for people with same degree in engineering, etc...). To compare, one has to convert using the International monetary exchange rate, but also, of course, the local costs of food, housing, energy, etc... compared to the local salary. As it happens, Indians get more from their salary than Vietnamese do! Just take that as an example: many pictures of your bikes show quite nice villas with garden, with cars in garage. Look at Vietnamese ones: the bikes are parked inside a darkish living room, systematically four meters wide, and not a single square meter of green!

Two: if India has import taxes equivalent to those in Vietnam (+200 %), our small country exports little besides sport shoes, cheap garment, broken rice and prawns! In the other hand, huge India been making cars (and bikes) and all sort of highly engineered products, all exported with high added value. Nearly all you need is produced in your country, while here most consumables besides food are imported from China (or India in the case of our FZs).

Taking the particular example of tyres for our bikes: you get a whole set for the equivalent of 80 US$....we have to pay over 200!!!

Lucky you are!

I will add that taking 1 to 1 exchange rate between this country's currency and yours for any country you are in for "valid comparison purpose" is nonsense! If the Thai Bath (your example: 1 US$= 32 THB) is not too far form INR (1US$= 55 INR), what if you apply that "rule" to the Vietnam Dong (1 US$= 22,000 VND!!!). The 3 US$ "Mc Do meal" (there is no such thing as a "meal" in synthetic Mc.Do food....!) would then be 66,000 VND. Do you think we could buy 22,000 "meals with our 66,000 VN???? No: we could just buy one....if we had Mac Do's here, that is!
also: you will be envious if I tell you I am paying my (very experienced) staff 15 millions a month. 11 laks, as you say! WOW!

Looking at the exchange rate Vietnamese Dong.. I think I should add one more liner to my statement: with exception to Vietnam and other countries with similar exchange rates.

Have not been to Vietnam yet so can't comment about the conditions over there.

Anyways, moving back to FZ.. Are you also planning to install CDI like Mik has done.. Last I spoke to Joel, he is also in the process of making SS FFEs although it will cost more than the current one but I guess it is imperative that he does so..I am not sure whether he would make one for your 200cc engines but may be you can speak to him.

Cheers,

**segagt_0** · 08-05-2012, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Mad Mik View Post

Pics of my new CDI and Balistics Evo2 Battery.

Note this is a SINGLE 8 PIN plug CDI for the Ver 2.0 wiring.

This has 9 maps.
0 being no spark/engine immobilized. Good for leaving your bike parked.
1-3 being stock engine and tune
4-7 for more modified engines and
8 tuned to run exotic fuels and for race use.
I run mine at map 6. I've ran map 8 but after 45mins I started hearing metallic rattle sounds (detonation) so i backed it off and very happy with map 6.

I no longer have a redline or rev limit. I have taken it past the red and well off the screen on the factory tacho. Exhaust sounds fantastic and no more bogging down under 5k RPM (even with the yoshi DB Killer installed)
So much easier to rev both on the center stand and while riding.

Price was Sing $118 (I get a $10 discount) RRP Sing $128.

I don't have a TPS and sometimes I get the red check engine light flashing, constantly illuminated or not at all, 99% the light is just constantly on.
This CDI and coupled with my new Lithium Ballistics battery my engine cranks over so quickly and sounds different (while cranking)

The battery size I got is the same size as the factory battery, however this battery is good to start 1000cc engines. If I wanted I could have gotten the appropriate size for the engine and that would have been 1/4 the size.

Impressive mods mate.. Have u put it for a dyno test?? Can u please post the reports if yes.. Thanks.

**punarvasu** · 08-05-2012, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by Lucky Luke View Post

many pictures of your bikes show quite nice villas with garden, with cars in garage.
Lucky you are!

Comrade,
What you see in the pictures is not the real India. If ever you get a chance to visit our great democratic country, go through its inner, remote villages to know what India is and how the lucky Indians live.
West Bengal which was under the continuous rule of a pseudo revolutionary party for more than 35 years is one of the poorest states here. About 15-20 lakhs of Bengali youngsters have already migrated to the southern states, especially to Kerala, as manual laborers.
As per the latest available statistics, 421 million poor people live in 8 Indian states including the revolutionary West Bengal where the Naxalbari movement started in India. This is more than the combined population of the poorest African countries. The number of prostitutes in Kolkata, the capital of West Bengal itself is more than 6,00,000 and in Mumbai, the capital of Maharashtra is more than 10,00,000.

**jonahmano** · 08-06-2012, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by punarvasu View Post

Comrade,
........West Bengal which was under the continuous rule of a pseudo revolutionary party for more than 35 years is one of the poorest states here. About 15-20 lakhs of Bengali youngsters have already migrated to the southern states, especially to Kerala, as manual laborers

Kerala is mini-gulf for them. The minimum daily wages of daily labourer in kerala is Rs. 550 per day. That means you can earn nearly Rs. 15000 monthly. So people are migrating to southern states then it is for money. There you have west bengal cpm who destroyed the economy of bengal and here you have kerala cpm who use lay people as cover for their own political gains.

Originally posted by punarvasu View Post

The number of prostitutes in Kolkata, the capital of West Bengal itself is more than 6,00,000 and in Mumbai, the capital of Maharashtra is more than 10,00,000.
More than 50% of the rural Indians are having daily income of about 20 or so Indian rupees i.e. 7440 VND. One third of the world’s poor are living here. About 80 million of our population is homeless.
You don’t know what our great feudal India is.

Boy, you know the reason of all these. It is politicians who have destroyed our country for their own political gains. As I always said If the politicians were really honest then our country wouldn't have suffered any loss even if they'd have provided 5-star hotel living and a bmw car. hahaha.........

**Mad Mik** · 08-06-2012, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by shv18 View Post

Hi the reason for the query,

Race Dynamics, the one who manufactures the ECU for R15 and for other brands have 2 versions.. RC and RR unit.. One which comes pre-programmed with 5 settings and the other one can be tuned (i.e. The one which Joel sells along with his custom tuned Maps).

When I had last checked with him, the Prototype CDI unit for FZ would be programmable i.e. All the 8/10 settings can be tuned by the owner or by a tuner.. So was just curious if that was the same case with your Unit.

Cheers,

Although having a fully programable/customizable CDI would be nice, Unfortunately there is no where locally that I can go to get a map made, Using the correct tools (Wideband O2 sensor, Dyno) There is no point telling a tuner who cannot physically get their hands on the bike to make a map,
Not to mention the tune will only be 100% on that day, The next day will bring new temp ranges, humidity, different batch of fuel to mention a few variables.
I'm very happy with this 8 map preset CDI.

Originally posted by segagt_0 View Post

Impressive mods mate.. Have u put it for a dyno test?? Can u please post the reports if yes.. Thanks.

I havn't found a dyno yet but when I do I'll be sticking it on and taking a look for myself.

**kilometerkiller** · 08-06-2012, 10:39 AM

Guys,

Need a little bit of advice here.

My FAZER has done 10,000+ km and is due for its first paid service. When I went to SVC to pick up my friend's bike from service, I asked the mechanic over there if my bike needs front fork oil replacement (as mentioned in manual that it should be done for every 10000 km). But he said that the fork oil need not be changed until there is any leakage.

Is it ok or should I insist him to change the oil & oil seals as per manual's instruction?

**psr** · 08-06-2012, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by kilometerkiller View Post

Guys,

Need a little bit of advice here.

My FAZER has done 10,000+ km and is due for its first paid service. When I went to SVC to pick up my friend's bike from service, I asked the mechanic over there if my bike needs front fork oil replacement (as mentioned in manual that it should be done for every 10000 km). But he said that the fork oil need not be changed until there is any leakage.

Is it ok or should I insist him to change the oil & oil seals as per manual's instruction?

Get the fork oil changed for your own good..A fresh oil color will be golden,... transparent, and the oil in your bike will now be black from working hard till now....Leak happens only if the fork oil seal go kaput(bad).

**sathishholla** · 08-06-2012, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by muztariq View Post

The problem what I think of is the chain has developed loose and tight spots.. happens due to uneven lubrication for long durations.
I also think that the previous owner just changed the sprokets.

Try installing a complete set now. Save the sprokets, may be they are just fine..

What to do with the spare sprokets?? humm.. No idea.

Originally posted by kinshuk.arya View Post

Normally the chain and sprocket should be changed as soon as one of them wears out.... and since flipping the front sprocket changed the way it feels i am guessing the front sprocket is wearing out unevenly..... pls get your ride checked for alignment of the rear wheel and then get the sprocket and chain changed as a whole set.... the whole set costs around 1300rs.... and is normally good for around 22k-25k kms....

Originally posted by shv18 View Post

I am not sure whether Rolon also manufactures sprocket set for FZ. If not then buy the sprocket set from the SVC. It is a well known brand here in India.

BTW INR 1250 for the whole chain and sprockets set is same as what is charged here in India varying based on taxation across different states.

Cheers,

Wow!

Thanks to segagt_0, shv18, kinshuk.arya, muztariq I got the answer for my question even before I asked it here

I have the same problem with my chain making cracking sound. I went to a local mechanic and got the front sprocket reversed as suggested here in one of the post But that didn't solve the problem. So will go to a SVC today and get the chain and sprockets replaced, Now that I know that price of it

No tension of getting cheated

Cheers!!

**raj157** · 08-06-2012, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by kilometerkiller View Post

Guys,

Need a little bit of advice here.

My FAZER has done 10,000+ km and is due for its first paid service. When I went to SVC to pick up my friend's bike from service, I asked the mechanic over there if my bike needs front fork oil replacement (as mentioned in manual that it should be done for every 10000 km). But he said that the fork oil need not be changed until there is any leakage.

Is it ok or should I insist him to change the oil & oil seals as per manual's instruction?

Yes as PSR bro said. I would also recommend you to change the fork oil at 10000km. After all the hard jumping they have faced you will see a very thick black oil to come out when the fork is opened. Its better for the shockers for the play and life. They will have 5 small oil bottles price 55-62/bottle. Its golden in colour and after you change you will find it quite efficient and free,as good as new. So go for it, dont listen to S.Center people. Do whats in the manual and also do what is best for your machine

**kilometerkiller** · 08-06-2012, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

Get the fork oil changed for your own good..A fresh oil color will be golden,... transparent, and the oil in your bike will now be black from working hard till now....Leak happens only if the fork oil seal go kaput(bad).

Originally posted by raj157 View Post

Yes as PSR bro said. I would also recommend you to change the fork oil at 10000km. After all the hard jumping they have faced you will see a very thick black oil to come out when the fork is opened. Its better for the shockers for the play and life. They will have 5 small oil bottles price 55-62/bottle. Its golden in colour and after you change you will find it quite efficient and free,as good as new. So go for it, dont listen to S.Center people. Do whats in the manual and also do what is best for your machine

Thanks mates! I was also thinking along the same line! After all, prevention is better than cure, isn't it?

I'll get the job done by weekend then.

**SpeedyKol** · 08-07-2012, 12:01 AM

Can anyone tell me how to detach the wiring from the rear tail lamp of Fazer,where the blue and yellow meet(not sure about yellow).How to detach that? Is there any special mechanism to do so? Need to detach the lamp holder from the mudguard.Plz help.Urgent!

**shv18** · 08-07-2012, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by kilometerkiller View Post

Thanks mates! I was also thinking along the same line! After all, prevention is better than cure, isn't it?

I'll get the job done by weekend then.

Replace fork oil and fork rubber seals on both sides... otherwise you will witness seal busting every 5-7000 kms. Motul brand

is recommended from my end for Fork oil.

@ALL: I managed to click some pics of Dunlop Tuff Grip tire 140-70-17 on some FZs which had come to the SVC center while i was getting the R170 sorted out: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/pit-stop...tml#post852977 It seems this tire is becoming quite popular compared to other brands. Below are some pics:

Cheers,

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