Re: Honda CBR 250R

[MENTION=54845]Pruthviraj[/MENTION]: yer price difference is just 200rs, this makes me to consider 150/60, thats why am confused.
if the contact patch for 150/60 is same as 140/17, then FE will not be effected i guess?.
[MENTION=79821]Deathwing[/MENTION]: yes their will be a speedo error for 150/60 as mentioned in the link

Re: Honda CBR 250R

Its kind of Yes/No, there's no Japanese bike available from any manufacturer which is 250cc and has ABS, yes there are KTM's which is almost 20,000 cheaper and Benelli's almost same price but the price difference pays off in the maintenance and durability. Yes there's Indian made 200-400 but they cater a different set of people like for example Ducati 1299 standard starts at 35 lakhs but full fledged Yamaha R1M costs 29 lakhs and if some indian manufacturer comes up with super bike it might cost just 15 lakhs but doesn't mean the target audience are same.

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My advice stick to stock size , 150/60 is KTM size but it can be put on the ceeber but its advisable for track , but not our roads to due to potholes and bumps, also there will be slight decrease in performance due to weight but corner ability is much much better

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As per my view over pricing is only for the ABS part where the price difference is close to 30K for std and ABS. But as a complete package i guess more people are satisfied with their purchase. On update part, Yes Honda had failed to do anything much apart from paint schemes .

OT: Will you ever give rest to your 250rr/300r/500r fantasies, you are most of the time pulling in the other models which is not at all relevant or add value to this thread.

I would like to have a healthy discussion on this topic of changing tyre size affect ABS.

My view about ABS is that it senses the speed of the wheel(from the ABS sensor plate) with respect to the vehicle speed(from the transmission), and if it detects that the wheels is locking due to brake applied, it will release the brake fluid pressure to allow the tyre to come out of locking and increases/alter the pressure to effectively reduce the rotation of wheels(all this in milli or micro seconds).

I believe unless the ABS sensor plate is modified the ABS reading will not be altered, hence it wont affect the functioning of ABS module. Please correct me if I am loosing it some where

For your information he is owning a ZMR which i think still has the ZMR mirrors installed

Ram

Re: Honda CBR 250R

This is precisely the conundrum I am having right now. I am desperately trying to zero down on a motorcycle to upgrade from my Fz16, primarily for better highway cruising. And the several near misses and two slides to avoid T-bones on the death traps that are roads and the horrid traffic on my city (Calcutta), having ABS on my next machine is non-negotiable. I have realised that even a Michelin - Metzeler combination on my current ride can only go so far in terms of stopping power :/. Having used a Japanese product and also being extremely fond of a friend's CBR250R, every time I test ride a Bajaj, KTM motorcycle, I find them annoying and unrefined. Yes they pack in all the equipment, and have their charms and USPs, but I will never go for either because I've been spoilt rotten by the butter smooth engines, gearboxes, the fit and finish and reliability the Japs offer. I had such high hopes that the Yamaha would at least offer optional ABS on the FZ250 but they didn't bother to do so. TVS too can't be arsed to make the top, full spec. variant of their Apache 200 4V (an extremely well built and refined motorcycle) available in its home country.

All of the above effectively leaves me with one and one choice only - the CBR 250R ABS. Yes it costs more than the loaded new Bajaj Dominar, and as much as the razor sharp KTM D390, but I will in all probability still end up buying the Honda soon. This despite my budget being seriously and dangerously overstretched.

Re: Honda CBR 250R

Sailing in the same boat bro, you said my heart out. Overstretching the budget just because in live with cbr250r, but since the launch of dominar i am really confused

Re: Honda CBR 250R

150/60 MSRs are infact lighter than 140/70. Also being radials they are having low rolling resistance so the fuel consumption part donot appears. With 150/60 the speedo error is very less like 5% less only and it gets slightly undergeared so the pickup is improved. And 150/60 MSR is not soft compound like Metzelar so the question of track type or road type tyre donot arises IMO, it will definitely last for 25k+ kms if ridden sanely.

Re: Honda CBR 250R

" I believe unless the ABS sensor plate is modified the ABS reading will not be altered, hence it wont affect the functioning of ABS module. Please correct me if I am loosing it some where "

Very accurately described by you, CBR being a C-ABS, I was also sceptical about the tyre up sizing initially, in theory maybe issue will arise but practically it never occured. Maybe Honda has taken into account the change in tyre circumference of different manufacturers and may be reduction in the circumference due tyre wear.

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Heard somewhere , it doesn't fare well with potholes and huge bumps, just be careful, but you can cruise all day long on the highways without an issue. I plan on changing to MSR radials stock size next month, do let me know the cost of your tyres , also how it performs on the road in our traffic conditions, will consider the 150/60 you've mentioned as a upgrade, ATM on mrfs, which do the job but aren't that great, obviously being budget tyres I'd say they are good VFM.

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On the contrary it does fare well on bad roads too. I've been using the MSR 150/60 on my Duke and some positives of this tire in my 14k km usage are: (comparing to mrf revz c)
1. Decent grip (i wouldn't say it is significantly better than the stock mrf revz)
2. Minimizes instances of punctures due to it's slightly harder compound wrt mrf revz c
3. Tire definitely lasts longer and can take abuses on bad roads. Lesser incidents of nicks & cuts.
4. A wee bit improvement in ride comfort.

I'd say, you rather go in for the 140/70 MSR instead of an up size for the CBR. I find the 150 unnecessary (even for my duke), and I've also ridden a duke with the 140's and it was just as good.
These michelin radials cost significantly more than the mrfs, so chose what fits in your budget. The reason I experimented with the michelin's is because the mrf revz on my duke suffered 4 punctures in a year and the final nail screwed it up for good (at 14k km). On the grip part though it was a wonderful tire worth every penny.

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Exactly that's where CBR sits now not to mention its the only bike which is in Sport-Tourer category rest all are either tourer (naked) or sport only bikes .

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Honestly bajaj has improved quality vastly over the time from NS onwards but can't match Japanese yet, if you're grease monkey have good SVC in access then Dominor is not a bad choice.

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Yes brother, the 150/60 is the stock size of the KTM bikes whether it be 200 or 390,ive seen many dukes with 140/60 too but you gotta keep in mind the ktms have a much stiffer suspension compared to the soft one on the CBR soo that also could be a factor too. 150/60 is joy to corner on but I'd imagine on the CBR its not meant to take the bumps and potholes, suspension may suffer due to its soft nature. And you've mentioned punctures on your mrf, one thing they are way better than the crappy conti gos you get on the bike as stock, the rear punctured almost 5-6 times continually which got me annoyed and I changed to mrf 140/60 which was a free tyre since my uncle does the gixxer one make bikes had a lot of those gixxer tyres soo put em on till the front wore out. Surprisingly the front was good till about 16k km- 18k km then I went for the budget mrfs due to lack of funds, now I'm going to go the stock size of MPSR, I'm open to try the 150/60 but only unless it can hold on our most the time pathetic road conditions. Also doesn't more contact patch correlate to more wear? Also ive heard Michelins can last upto 30k km if ridden properly, 25 k km seems more realistic , that still is fantastic longetivity . Also I really like the thread pattern on the michelin. A lot of CBR owners have suggested Michelin and also my SVC at the Honda service has told me to go for Michelin.

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Micheline Street Radials or MSRs, made in Thailand front 110/70/17 is for 3900/4000rs and rear 140/70 /17 should be 4800/5000, 150/60 /17 will be 5100/5200/5300 rs. All prices include tyres installation. Pls take extra care while installing the tyre on the abs version's rims as the aluminium sensor plate just might get bent and brakes will start malfunctioning and you will be looking @ 3000rs replacement bill. It is specially true in the case of rear tyre, so first check which shops have good tyre installers and if they have experience of installing wheel rims on bikes having no centre stand. Or get the wheels removed @ the ASC and then take it to the tyre shop. Also ensure that the tyres are not more than 7/8 months old.

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The thing about the ktm's is that you can adjust the suspension over a wide range, the default is pretty soft setting. I don't think it's 'hard' compared to a cbr.
And these michelin's (radial) will last around 20-25k km depending on how they are used/abused. As far as joy of cornering, i did find the 140 to be just as good for the occasional 'extreme' cornering.. but in the real world usage doesn't really make a big difference. The cbr was designed to take the 140, so for me it would be a no brainer.
As far as cost goes, the 140 & 150 radials both retail for around Rs.5800.. and are 'made in thailand' while the non-radials (michelin pilot sporty, available in only 140) are made in india and cost much lesser. So keep an eye out from being conned.

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Totally bro, even i have faced the situation..
Comfort, Refinement, ABS, Sporty looks, Reliable engine only CBR was able to offer..
I myself wanted to get Dominar, but previously owned an 200NS and i know how the bike aged over time.

My main Priority is to buy a Full faired bike.. Which gives Performance above NS and at the same time does not compromise on the quality, refinement and ride comfort.
One and Only CBR 250R was in that list.. There is no other bike which offers that complete package.

When people all suggested to get DOMI, i went behind CBR and booked it..
I know its a 5yr old design and bike. but its one of the best fully faired bike out there in 2lak price range