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  • Re: Honda CBR 250R

    Originally posted by Foose View Post
    Sad story part 1- floods
    Hi friends,
    As all know about Kerala floods, I happen to be one among the flood ravaged victims.
    Long story short
    Day1. Severe rains block my way of escape to park my vehicles somewhere else.
    Day2. Neighbors help me lift my cbr and park it into my home in the hall-- thought I did something very witty. Water enters inside home. Couldn't sleep a wink and had no option other than to watch my cbr drown inch by inch. The mirrors remained out for sometime but went down too. It was like watching Arnold go down in Terminator judgement day.
    We witnessed the scariest moments of our life with rising water levels, strong currents, screaming sounds of people fleeing. No emergency numbers worked, no nothing. We yelled for help but none heard. It was like an apocalypse. No sleep,and were sitting in the first floor,not sure if we would live to see ourselves again.
    Day3. Someone passing boat heard us out of the blue early morning and rushed for help.
    A small boat belonging to a local fisherman came to our rescue and by the time water had reached till the sunshade. luckily, I did a rehearsal the previous night as to how am I going to make my parents,kid and wife from the first floor to the boat.
    Managed to get all my family members to get on the boat. Seriously guys, this was the worst nightmare of my life. One false move and my parecpuld have fallen into 18 feet of water. Anyways, gathered my will power and we were all shifted two at a time to the nearest high point. I was the last to leave with some emergency medicines. Should really thank the skillful fisherman who landed us safely. Was relieved to see my wife, kid and all. Was shocked to see the calamity as I've never been in one.
    We had to walk in the heavy rain and storm to the nearest relief camp where hundreds were waiting for help.
    Post apocalypse- today was last day in camp as roads were cleared. The aftermath is terrible. Drove my family out of the place for good to inlaws home. Still.haunted by all what I saw and trying in vain to get some sleep.
    Happy to be safe now and hoping to resurrect my cbr soon.
    Request you gentlemen to advise me what to be cautious while my bike is worked in the asc in the presence of the insurance guy. Heard that insurance people will ask asc to service and fit things rather than replace in order to save their money. What all should be replaced for sure after underwater soaking?? Please guide me. Here are a few pics of my bike and home post the floods.
    Recovery post will follow in part 2.. I hope all will go well without hassles..
    Glad that you & your family are safe. Was indeed a calamity of massive proportions.
    Stay positive man and i pray you guys get back on your feet soon.

    Coming to your bike.. Do you think any service center has started operations in your area?
    Anyway here are some recommendations from my end:
    1. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO START THE BIKE
    2. REMOVE THE BATTERY
    3. Call your insurance and nearest service center and report the issue and find out the process (towing bike, claims, paperwork etc). Preferably try to keep some of them also in writing (like informing insurance, maybe a mail to honda explaining your case).. and keep mentioning that there was no attempt to start the bike and it has just been sitting there.
    4. Coming to the repairs:
    - a through water wash
    - drain out all fluids, oil, coolant, fuel .. doing this first might give you an idea to the extent of water seepage into various parts like the crank case/radiator/fuel tank.
    - strip the engine (head, block, crankcase) clean it up thoroughly and put back with new gaskets/ seals/o rings and bearings preferably. The block and piston need to be checked and maybe just a new piston kit is required. Same for the head, inspect , clean and maybe replace the valve seals at-least.
    - maybe a new set of clutch plates (at least the friction plates)
    - get the exhaust also pressure washed from the inside.
    - clean all the electrical contacts/connectors thoroughly with some contact cleaner and an air gun.. and let them dry out.
    - clean out the throttle body, ignition coil connectors and any other electrical parts like fuse box, relay connectors etc..
    - the ecu i think should be a sealed unit and water proof, so it might not need to be opened up.
    - the speedo console might need to be opened up and cleaned.
    - complete brake overhaul.. clean and put back with fresh fluid at least. worst case might require new caliper piston/seals which cost around 500rs iirc.
    - clean out the control cables (throttle, clutch)
    - clean out the petrol tank and the fuel pump.
    - remove and clean out the radiator with plenty of soapy water and rinse with clean water.
    - new fluids (oil, coolant etc..) all around with new filters (Air, fuel , oil)
    - fork overhaul with new seals and fork oil.

    And any other obvious parts that might need replacement based on inspection/condition.

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    • Re: Honda CBR 250R

      Originally posted by s1d View Post
      Glad that you & your family are safe. Was indeed a calamity of massive proportions.
      Stay positive man and i pray you guys get back on your feet soon.

      Coming to your bike.. Do you think any service center has started operations in your area?
      Anyway here are some recommendations from my end:
      1. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO START THE BIKE
      2. REMOVE THE BATTERY
      3. Call your insurance and nearest service center and report the issue and find out the process (towing bike, claims, paperwork etc). Preferably try to keep some of them also in writing (like informing insurance, maybe a mail to honda explaining your case).. and keep mentioning that there was no attempt to start the bike and it has just been sitting there.
      4. Coming to the repairs:
      - a through water wash
      - drain out all fluids, oil, coolant, fuel .. doing this first might give you an idea to the extent of water seepage into various parts like the crank case/radiator/fuel tank.
      - strip the engine (head, block, crankcase) clean it up thoroughly and put back with new gaskets/ seals/o rings and bearings preferably. The block and piston need to be checked and maybe just a new piston kit is required. Same for the head, inspect , clean and maybe replace the valve seals at-least.
      - maybe a new set of clutch plates (at least the friction plates)
      - get the exhaust also pressure washed from the inside.
      - clean all the electrical contacts/connectors thoroughly with some contact cleaner and an air gun.. and let them dry out.
      - clean out the throttle body, ignition coil connectors and any other electrical parts like fuse box, relay connectors etc..
      - the ecu i think should be a sealed unit and water proof, so it might not need to be opened up.
      - the speedo console might need to be opened up and cleaned.
      - complete brake overhaul.. clean and put back with fresh fluid at least. worst case might require new caliper piston/seals which cost around 500rs iirc.
      - clean out the control cables (throttle, clutch)
      - clean out the petrol tank and the fuel pump.
      - remove and clean out the radiator with plenty of soapy water and rinse with clean water.
      - new fluids (oil, coolant etc..) all around with new filters (Air, fuel , oil)
      - fork overhaul with new seals and fork oil.

      And any other obvious parts that might need replacement based on inspection/condition.
      Many thanks for the advise. Hope the asc agrees to do what we require..
      United insurance hasnt answered any call. All asc s are under water as well.
      I'll send a mail to united with the photos asap.
      Thanks again.

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      • Re: Honda CBR 250R

        Let's be grateful to God that you and your family are alright.

        As for the motorcycle I believe this would give you an idea of what you're likely to expect;



        1. Pressure wash the motorcycle and then strip it.

        2. Clean AF box and replace AF.

        3. Pull the spark plug out and crank the motor, so that water trapped inside the cylinder would come out, once done put in a new SP.

        4. Replace all fluids and disconnect clean spray and close every electrical connector in sight.

        5. Put everything back on the motorcycle and crank it to life.

        It was brilliant of you to not try to start the motorcycle.

        I have managed to drown my motorcycle a hand full of times and have brought it back to life as mentioned in the earlier link, though fortunately Ive never had the motorcycle remain drowned for extended periods.

        The SVC would try pushing for a cylinder replacement but frankly I don't see the purpose as I doubt the CBR's cylinder sleeve would rust considering metallurgy, even if it would I still doubt that would happen in a short couple of days.
        Motorcycling Experience:
        2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
        2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
        2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
        2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
        2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
        2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

        The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
        Adios Comrades!
        A.P. 2018

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        • Re: Honda CBR 250R

          Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
          Let's be grateful to God that you and your family are alright.

          As for the motorcycle I believe this would give you an idea of what you're likely to expect;



          1. Pressure wash the motorcycle and then strip it.

          2. Clean AF box and replace AF.

          3. Pull the spark plug out and crank the motor, so that water trapped inside the cylinder would come out, once done put in a new SP.

          4. Replace all fluids and disconnect clean spray and close every electrical connector in sight.

          5. Put everything back on the motorcycle and crank it to life.

          It was brilliant of you to not try to start the motorcycle.

          I have managed to drown my motorcycle a hand full of times and have brought it back to life as mentioned in the earlier link, though fortunately Ive never had the motorcycle remain drowned for extended periods.

          The SVC would try pushing for a cylinder replacement but frankly I don't see the purpose as I doubt the CBR's cylinder sleeve would rust considering metallurgy, even if it would I still doubt that would happen in a short couple of days.
          Thanks dude. M trying to replace radiator fan, entire wiring, may be cylinder sleeve if insurance would cover for it. Only doubt is will the replacement sleeve be original as factory line piece. Also will I get the same performance as before.ive heard that anything other than factory line assembly is second quality even if supplied by oem. The best part is iam still breathing and very much alive.

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          • Re: Honda CBR 250R

            Originally posted by Foose View Post
            Sad story part 1- floods
            Hi friends,
            As all know about Kerala floods, I happen to be one among the flood ravaged victims.
            Long story short
            Day1. Severe rains block my way of escape to park my vehicles somewhere else.
            Day2. Neighbors help me lift my cbr and park it into my home in the hall-- thought I did something very witty. Water enters inside home. Couldn't sleep a wink and had no option other than to watch my cbr drown inch by inch. The mirrors remained out for sometime but went down too. It was like watching Arnold go down in Terminator judgement day.
            We witnessed the scariest moments of our life with rising water levels, strong currents, screaming sounds of people fleeing. No emergency numbers worked, no nothing. We yelled for help but none heard. It was like an apocalypse. No sleep,and were sitting in the first floor,not sure if we would live to see ourselves again.
            Day3. Someone passing boat heard us out of the blue early morning and rushed for help.
            A small boat belonging to a local fisherman came to our rescue and by the time water had reached till the sunshade. luckily, I did a rehearsal the previous night as to how am I going to make my parents,kid and wife from the first floor to the boat.
            Managed to get all my family members to get on the boat. Seriously guys, this was the worst nightmare of my life. One false move and my parecpuld have fallen into 18 feet of water. Anyways, gathered my will power and we were all shifted two at a time to the nearest high point. I was the last to leave with some emergency medicines. Should really thank the skillful fisherman who landed us safely. Was relieved to see my wife, kid and all. Was shocked to see the calamity as I've never been in one.
            We had to walk in the heavy rain and storm to the nearest relief camp where hundreds were waiting for help.
            Post apocalypse- today was last day in camp as roads were cleared. The aftermath is terrible. Drove my family out of the place for good to inlaws home. Still.haunted by all what I saw and trying in vain to get some sleep.
            Happy to be safe now and hoping to resurrect my cbr soon.
            Request you gentlemen to advise me what to be cautious while my bike is worked in the asc in the presence of the insurance guy. Heard that insurance people will ask asc to service and fit things rather than replace in order to save their money. What all should be replaced for sure after underwater soaking?? Please guide me. Here are a few pics of my bike and home post the floods.
            Recovery post will follow in part 2.. I hope all will go well without hassles..




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            I am glad your parents, wife and child are safe. That's the most important thing. The CBR can be brought back to life, just ensure that you don't try to start it as it is. Same with the car.

            Where in Kerala do you reside?

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            • Re: Honda CBR 250R

              Originally posted by Foose View Post
              Thanks dude. M trying to replace radiator fan, entire wiring, may be cylinder sleeve if insurance would cover for it. Only doubt is will the replacement sleeve be original as factory line piece. Also will I get the same performance as before.ive heard that anything other than factory line assembly is second quality even if supplied by oem. The best part is iam still breathing and very much alive.
              And yes i disconnected the battery before the water came in. Couldn't remove it though.

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              • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                Originally posted by leech View Post
                I am glad your parents, wife and child are safe. That's the most important thing. The CBR can be brought back to life, just ensure that you don't try to start it as it is. Same with the car.

                Where in Kerala do you reside?
                Hi Leech, I live in chengamanad, Aluva, about 7 kms from airport.. managed to remove car battery. Tried to the ecu off, but no time.. I was previously in Chennai for around 35 yrs..

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                • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                  Originally posted by Foose View Post
                  Thanks dude. M trying to replace radiator fan, entire wiring, may be cylinder sleeve if insurance would cover for it. Only doubt is will the replacement sleeve be original as factory line piece. Also will I get the same performance as before.ive heard that anything other than factory line assembly is second quality even if supplied by oem. The best part is iam still breathing and very much alive.
                  Sleeve/Liner replacements are a thing of the past, they just replace the whole cylinder kit, it's easier and more reliable.

                  Sounds good if you could get all the electricals and sensors covered, but I doubt that would happen, you know how it is, right? If it runs then no replacement, that's the thumb rule for all SVC's.

                  As far as fitment goes, there's no rule that factory fitment is paramount, even if you produce by Six Sigma standards there is still a possibility of error, just make sure everything is done as per the book and you'll have a reliable machine.
                  Motorcycling Experience:
                  2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                  2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                  2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                  2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                  2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                  2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                  The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                  Adios Comrades!
                  A.P. 2018

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                  • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                    Neutral light is flickering whenever i am trying to start the bike. Is it normal or is it a sign of dying battery?

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                    • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                      Originally posted by bikerjack View Post
                      Neutral light is flickering whenever i am trying to start the bike. Is it normal or is it a sign of dying battery?

                      a very mild flicker is normal but if you notice that the display also goes off and the bike does the auto test again with the RPM needle going back and forth then the battery is done its life...

                      ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----

                      Originally posted by Foose View Post
                      Hi Leech, I live in chengamanad, Aluva, about 7 kms from airport.. managed to remove car battery. Tried to the ecu off, but no time.. I was previously in Chennai for around 35 yrs..
                      when the engine is switched off in 99% percent times it halts where the valves are mostly closed so water getting inside the engine can be a feeble possibility.
                      however the battery is a gone for sure. check for rust and the bushes at swing arm and suspension and engine mounts to be replaced.

                      water would have gone inside the air filter box all the way through the throttle body hence ask the SVC to remove everything apart and let them sit for them to dry completely and then cleaned with appropriate cleaners only then to be refitted back.

                      parts to be removed - dried - cleaned as below.

                      brake lines
                      brake liners and master caliper
                      engine block
                      throttle body
                      engine oil to be drained and checked if just oil comes out or even water....
                      swing arm bushes.
                      rear suspension bushes.
                      front and rear wheel bearings.
                      wiring connectors to be removed and checked and cleaned and refitted.
                      radiator is completely sealed so dont buy new one. remove it and give it a good wash and clean it with toothbrush it will do just fine unless you are getting insurance.

                      keep us posted you can always PM me for anything else. we are here for you.

                      do not rotate the crank in any condition unless the throttle body has been removed and the inlet side has been tilted to drain out all the water.
                      DO NOT. first remove complete engine block. remove filter and throttle body. tilt it. let it sit. and then check. i am sure the water would not have seeped inside the cylinder.
                      Last edited by theironhorse99; 08-21-2018, 07:36 PM.
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                      • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                        Water getting inside the cylinder is not a serious concern as long as it has a place to go out. So rather than pull the intake off you could just remove the spark plug and crack the motor. All the fluids in the cylinder and intake route would be thrown out via the spark plug hole.

                        At least that's how we do it with carbureted motorcycles after draining the float.
                        Motorcycling Experience:
                        2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                        2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                        2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                        2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                        2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                        2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                        The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                        Adios Comrades!
                        A.P. 2018

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                        • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                          Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                          Water getting inside the cylinder is not a serious concern as long as it has a place to go out. So rather than pull the intake off you could just remove the spark plug and crack the motor. All the fluids in the cylinder and intake route would be thrown out via the spark plug hole.

                          At least that's how we do it with carbureted motorcycles after draining the float.
                          why risk cranking an engine that might have muddy water inside and give a chance to scratch up the bore. and remember this is a liquid cooled motor, so there is a head gasket also that does a role of keeping coolant out of the block. so the best way for such a calamity would be to take it apart and put it back together with new seals/gaskets/o rings after cleaning and replacing the required parts.

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                          • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                            Originally posted by s1d View Post
                            why risk cranking an engine that might have muddy water inside and give a chance to scratch up the bore. and remember this is a liquid cooled motor, so there is a head gasket also that does a role of keeping coolant out of the block. so the best way for such a calamity would be to take it apart and put it back together with new seals/gaskets/o rings after cleaning and replacing the required parts.
                            Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                            Water getting inside the cylinder is not a serious concern as long as it has a place to go out. So rather than pull the intake off you could just remove the spark plug and crack the motor. All the fluids in the cylinder and intake route would be thrown out via the spark plug hole.

                            At least that's how we do it with carbureted motorcycles after draining the float.
                            Originally posted by s1d View Post
                            Glad that you & your family are safe. Was indeed a calamity of massive proportions.
                            Stay positive man and i pray you guys get back on your feet soon.

                            Coming to your bike.. Do you think any service center has started operations in your area?
                            Anyway here are some recommendations from my end:
                            se with clean water.
                            - new fluids (oil, coolant etc..) all around with new filters (Air, fuel , oil)
                            - fork overhaul with new seals and fork oil.

                            And any other obvious parts that might need replacement based on inspection/condition.
                            Originally posted by Foose View Post
                            Sad story part 1- floods
                            Hi friends,
                            As all know about Kerala floods, I happen to be one among the flood ravaged victims.
                            Long story short
                            Day1. Severe rains block my way of escape to park my vehicles somewhere else.
                            Foose, extremely saddened by the status quo in Kerala, and one can't attest to the fact that how fishermen and all the good souls who were nothing but god sent. Totally power to these guys and hope you guys recover soon.

                            Though, folks have poured in their views, it seems as though they are missing a very important point. Apart from removing the battery, the bike's AIR FILTER, SPARK PLUG and MOST IMPORTANTLY, the ENGINE OIL MUST BE DRAINED FIRST AND FOREMOST before CRANKING THE ENGINE. The reason here is why, to keep it in layman's terms.

                            Water enters into the combustion chamber via floodef air filter box/air intake. Water enters in the same intake as air enters. So, what happens is, your airbox is full of water and the moment you crank the engine, the water floods the combustion chamber, hydrolocks the engine and BOOM, you have an engine seizure or worse bent conrod or a combination of both. Oil for the same reason, is mixed by water when the water enters the combustion chamber and is flooded, so when you crank, it's a solid double whammy to the engine.

                            First off, remove the SPARK PLUG, first and foremost, remove the battery and then drain the entire engine oil with the coolant. Wash the bike thoroughly after this procedure. If possible remove the air filter box and wash it and the motorcycle THOROUGHLY with water and let the AF box aside to dry. Start assessing visually for any any loose wires, nicks and flood related damages, especially the radiator fan, as flooded mud can get cemented and can cause overheating of the engine, so make sure the fan area is thoroughly washed.

                            Refill spark plug and coolant after a thorough system flush/bleeding, visually inspecting the area behind the radiator for any mud cementation on the fan. Now, after double checking wiring, install the battery with proper charge.

                            IMPORTANT PROCEDURE
                            ================

                            The engine, should not be fired up with a fresh injection of new oil. Purchase two liters of mineral oil Shell AX3, pour it inside the engine, with the spark plug removed pour a cap full of oil inside the spark plug hole, crank the engine a few times, three to four times. Now, install the spark plug, crank the engine, and let it idle for a five minutes.

                            Now, drain the oil and NOW fill her up with your choice of fresh recommended grade engine oil.

                            You'd be happy to have her back!

                            Do keep your observations posted.

                            Ride again! Power to the State of Kerala. Bless you fellas.

                            Cheers!
                            VJ
                            Last edited by B7ACKTHORN; 08-21-2018, 11:44 PM.
                            Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                            The girl said, 'NO!'


                            And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                            THE END

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                            • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                              Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                              Though, folks have poured in their views, it seems as though they are missing a very important point. Apart from removing the battery, the bike's AIR FILTER, SPARK PLUG and MOST IMPORTANTLY, the ENGINE OIL MUST BE DRAINED FIRST AND FOREMOST before CRANKING THE ENGINE. The reason here is why, to keep it in layman's terms.
                              I had included the specifics in the link that I'd shared earlier, in case anyone missed it, here's a picture of what happens to your engine oil;



                              Water cannot be compressed, hence with the right momentum it would bend your conrod else it would take the path of least resistance and seep past the piston rings and mix with your engine oil, which if left unchecked would result in the engine oil emulsifying, this happened to me when I had under 100 km's from my hostel, I was lucky but there have also been cases where the motor seized due to running on emulsified oil for long as the oils potential to lubricate is severely compromised, hence why it is recommended to change all fluids and consumables.
                              Motorcycling Experience:
                              2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                              2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                              2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                              2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                              2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                              2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                              The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                              Adios Comrades!
                              A.P. 2018

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                              • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                                How does fuel indicator work?i have sufficient amount of fuel in tank but bar shows only one?how is that?is this normal?

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