Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

A simple thing, the engine requires more time for runnin. In addition to that check for the engine oil and valve clearance. Give it a little power burst during ride. I have owned 3 yamahas and the yamahas engines are world class, cannot compare with a fragile bajaj engine. Yamaha need little time to settle but, they are super smooth and reliable. R15 is a rev happy engine and made for revving. Understand your bike. Go on short trips, 100km approx, take the bike to around 7000rpm for a while, you will feel the Vibes going off. But 2000km is enough for a runnin.

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Don't know which bajaj showroom you bought the bike from. I would say the claim is unjustified. I would say a R15 is as much fragile as a pulsar . It will look awesome sound awesome but that doesn't mean the engine is made out of adamantium or vibranium. Ya its smooth and refined but it's nowhere as bullet-proof as many think. On the other hand a bajaj engine vibes, leaks and is unrefined but it's not "FRAGILE". It wont seize going to the next tea shop for a cigarette.lol.
I have seen many R15 which smoke like a 2 stroke and many with seized pistons within 45k kms. on the other hand, i have seen leaking pulsars doing 50-60 k kms without any engine overhaul.
I am no fanboy of any brands and my R15 has done 1.10 lakh kms on stock bore. It's more down to how you maintain and ride the bike rather than any DNA-related issues.
Sadly bashing bajaj for everything has become a fashion these days.

P.s. you owned 3 yamahas so do i and i owned 3 bajajs too so can say appropriately.

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Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Well that's true as far as the engine is concerned. I have seen Bajaj engines taking insane beating and still going for years, however its not all just engine when it comes to a bike. Parts quality and reliability is a thing, and that's something is not Bajaj's forte. (A look at AS200's welding job and plastic used and I was out of the showroom) But hey, we get what we pay for. They are bang for a buck.

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second you on this. That's the reason i told bajaj engines specifically. The plastic quality and general seals and o rings well the less said the better.

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I too own a pulsar. I dragged till 90k kms with 2 rebore. The problem specific to Bajaj bikes is related to smoothness. After spending big bucks in changing parts and servicing , the vehicle smoothness doesn't long for next 5000 kms. Again need to spend time and money to set it right. I really got fed up and turned deaf ears for the weird sound changes it made. By 20k kms it was just a commuter bike like 100cc bikes. If I leave like that it just runs. If you want to maintain in tip top condition, spend big money and fix it and hope it maintains for next 5k kms. Any engine needs maintainance but for Honda and Yamaha proper oil change, filter changes ensures smooth and long life operation
Another reason I hate Bajaj was exclusivity factor. The just keep on adding/removing features and push premium features in commuter segment. I picked 180ug3 due to black engine and digital speedo. Later same feature was pushed down to 150cc. Take Yamaha as example same speedo, switches, engine, frame, body parts right from 2008 in R15 where as Bajaj has gone through 100's of iteration with their pulsar series. This shows Yamaha/Honda gives good and tested product to the customer than testing the product with customers money.

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Thanks a ton!!!!
Ill get these things done and share my feedback with you all.

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i will say a simple thing. The bore kit of pulsar 220(bore, piston, wrist pin, circlips) costs 1900 bucks(less than 2 ltrs of precious Motul 300V) just the piston rings of R15 costs 2200 bucks(entire bore kit costs near 11k AFAIK). My 220 fi lasted for 55k on stock bore(oil change and air filter change) before i sold it off due to pump problems and other crap(+1 to your point regarding customers being scapegoats). Rattling visor and cracking headlight glass was the norm. I never said that bajaj makes kickass products but i would say that their engine is not as fragile as somebody pointed out. Regarding oil and filter change be the just requirement for R15 i would say well there are awesome ifs and buts that come attached with it. I have seen my share of just filter and oil change yamaha engines being busted before 50k kms(no rebore on baby R1's bore too ..ouch!!!). As said before it depends on many factors. You hate it no issues(so do i) but my point saying bajaj engine is not fragile stands(rest of the body parts are downright pathetic and seems like engineers were smoking weed with a full quarter of vodka while designing the other parts of the bike).


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Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Maintainance of which costs more zzo or r15?

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Thanks a ton for all your replies brothers!
And the roughness I am talking about was both engine sound and the vibration!
And one more thing is whenever I release the throttle without engaging the clutch, an annoying noise is heard like a 'whirrrr' sound and it's gradually decreasing along with the acceleration! I have no idea what it is!

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

zzo?? Is it a new bike?? Sorry don't know anything by that name. If you can share the name of the manufacturer it will be helpful

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Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

I think he meant 220😂.

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Yep bro i meant 220

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My R15S is right now some 1600KMs and I can verify the same. I think I have posted the same queries here or in R15S mega thread.

That "whiirrrrrrrr' sound is definitely there while de-accelerating between 3K to 5K RPM range, I always thought that comes from the engine.

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Well brothers, slight vibrations around 5-7k rpms is normal in all R15, nothing we can do about it, but the keyword is slight, it there should be just a hint, not more. If that is the case, don't worry your bikes are fine and are behaving as all R15 do. A lot of vibrations come from a dirty and dry chain or if the chain is too loose or too tight. Make sure that the chain is cleaned and lubed properly and also that it is properly adjusted and the vibrations will reduce significantly.

The whirr sound is also normal, not sure what it is or where its coming from but it is normal. you will get used to it as you spend more time on the saddle. To confirm this, check out other R15 when you go for service. Talk to the owners face to face and you'll find that it is normal.
Feel free to ask any more queries or doubts.
Ride safe.

Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

Depends on what you are looking at.
The parts (i.e. engine parts) are dirt cheap and are okayish afaik. The R15 parts are horrendously expensive and are awesome in quality.
My logic is even if i change my bore kit(ya reboring in an already wafer thin linered bore of 220 ain't the best thing to do though there are guys who rebore it for reasons unknown) every 40k kms it comes to around rs 5000-6000 for 90k kms for spares that's cheaper than R15 run for the same kms on a single bore(11k approx for baby R1's bore). Even in day to day running spares are cheaper. But and that's a big "but" don't expect smoothness or refined characteristics out of a 220. It will rattle it will vibe it will leak, plastics may crack sometimes plastic finish looks shit , electricals are more susceptible to water damage,but its not unreliable and will rarely break down and halt , has less number of sensors (whatever sensors are there are too simple to go bad) and other headaches to go bad. Compared to a pulsar220 an R15 will feel as if it runs on wires and sensors rather than petrol.
Mileage is not the forte of 220 i get 30-35 in both R15 and 220 but i have heard newer model R15 do be delivering 45-48 in towns.
Engine oil requirement is more in 220 and it may go through a bit more engine oil than R15( though i drain oils in both my bikes within 1500-1700 kms and rarely find any fall in the oil levels in both) . You need to keep track of engine oil more often. 220 air filter is absolute garbage, so you need to change it more often than R15 but costs less than half of R15 filter. rest all like levers cables are almost of same quality and price.
pulsar 220 brake pads are far cheaper than R15( quality wise same as other 220 spares but gets the job done).
R15 spares are good and may last long but be prepared to shell out liberal amounts of green whenever you visit a SVC for any spare change.
Theoretically, they should last longer but in india given the roads , traffic, weather, petrol etc the theoretical mileage of spares gets much reduced.
For example, take the cone set which costs 27-2900 almost 5-6 times more than a 220, but doesn't last even 2 times more than the 220.
In short, if you want to have a 20bhp commuter that gets all sorts of job done( highway, a bit of fast riding with good torque) 220 is the bike for you.
If you want a mini superbike(awesome quality and feel which can't be matched by a 220) that will also ultimately treated as a commuter by most(oh irony!!) go for R15.
Other things like the general seals, o rings, switches(neutral,indicator, brake light switch and clutch switch only), lights(high beam in mycase) regularly go bad in a 220( as usual they are dirt cheap to buy) and sometimes i feel like parking the bike in the middle of the road with keys attached hoping somebody will take it.
So its up to you to decide which one is cheaper and which one is not.

P.s. My personal opinion and brickbats are welcome from fellow users but please no "how awesome it handles","peg scrapping handling", "how good it brakes","confidence" , "sure footed" "agile" "high revving","smooth as butter" arguments.
Comparision just done on a daily basis on Indian roads regarding day to day riding and maintenance didn't have time to visit BIC/kari. So can't comment on the "on the limit handling" of both bikes and attempting so in public roads is a potential shortcut to a mortuary.

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