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I am riding my GS for past 1 week and completed 350 kms, and observed this kachak kachak type noise very briefly for some short distance but I was not sure that it was coming from my bike. When i heard it twice then I realized it was indeed from my bike. But this noise remains for very short duration in my 30 kms ride one way, everyday. Will get it done corrected in my first servicingOriginally posted by ashwinprakas View PostSanjay
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Ignore it, if you ask the SVC guys to correct it they might mess it up.Originally posted by Taurean View PostI am riding my GS for past 1 week and completed 350 kms, and observed this kachak kachak type noise very briefly for some short distance but I was not sure that it was coming from my bike. When i heard it twice then I realized it was indeed from my bike. But this noise remains for very short duration in my 30 kms ride one way, everyday. Will get it done corrected in my first servicing
Its nice to have abit of tappet noise, and the bike also performs a weeny bit more in the top end if the tappets are slightly loose.
The point of adjustment comes when you'll start hearing the kachak noise as soon as you start you'r bike. Till then its ok, though it wouldnt hurt to keep a personal check on the clearance once in a while.Motorcycling Experience:
2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!
The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
Adios Comrades!
A.P. 2018
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@all above ::
Don't come to conclusion or illusion about the noise from the engine is only TAPPET..
Check it thoroughly from the SVC (one or more SVC will be good)..
TALK TO THE MANAGER OF THE SVC AND GET HIS GUIDANCE .
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In mine the noise only comes when hot and no unnecessary noise when cold. So i guess it must be faulty Cam chain.Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View PostYou can hear tappet noise at idling when the engine is COLD and when the engine warms up,the tappet noise increases with acceleration.
All new bikes have tappets,The mech should know:
1.The valve clearance of GS150R
2.How to use Feeler Gauge.
Guy what is the valve clearance of GS150R? Both exhaust and inlet ,Is it mentioned on the manual? Please check and reply.
I have tried many local mechanics, even new unknown ones none of them are aware of the Gs engine. Then enjoy the ride and their reply would beThere is some noise which would require the engine to be opened, since the bike is new take it to SVC.
i like the fact that at least they r frank indirectly
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Originally posted by newfan View PostIn mine the noise only comes when hot and no unnecessary noise when cold. So i guess it must be faulty Cam chain.
I have tried many local mechanics, even new unknown ones none of them are aware of the Gs engine. Then enjoy the ride and their reply would beThere is some noise which would require the engine to be opened, since the bike is new take it to SVC.
i like the fact that at least they r frank indirectly
Ok,then better visit the svc.also if possible,stay with the bike,so that you can see if they will adjust it or not.Karizma Parts Manual - https://picasaweb.google.com/1010125...rizmaCatalogue
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Earlier you were sure that that sound is from tappet. Someone pointed out that it is from the cam chain. Then you are ready to agree that it is from cam chain.Originally posted by newfan View PostIn mine the noise only comes when hot and no unnecessary noise when cold. So i guess it must be faulty Cam chain.
I have tried many local mechanics, even new unknown ones none of them are aware of the Gs engine. Then enjoy the ride and their reply would beThere is some noise which would require the engine to be opened, since the bike is new take it to SVC.
i like the fact that at least they r frank indirectly
Ask the mechanic in the SC to ride the bike and if there is tappet noise, keep the bike overnight there and get the clearance corrected next day, on cold engine.
The valve clearance must be zero or nearly zero when the operating temperature of the engine reaches its maximum.
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This member sounds like our new Member Vishnukmd.Originally posted by punarvasu View PostEarlier you were sure that that sound is from tappet. Someone pointed out that it is from the cam chain. Then you are ready to agree that it is from cam chain.
Ask the mechanic in the SC to ride the bike and if there is tappet noise, keep the bike overnight there and get the clearance corrected next day, on cold engine.
The valve clearance must be zero or nearly zero when the operating temperature of the engine reaches its maximum.
If the mechanic cannot do it, collect necessary tools including feeler gauge and adjust the gap yourself. Search on the net to know how to do it. See how easily and frequently some experts among us are tuning the carburetor even in the middle of a busy traffic road.
impossible to eliminate.
Who said its impossible to eliminate tappet sound? Have you tried setting tappets yourself? I had adjusted tappets in a bike and the result was 100% successful.No more tappet noise till now after adjusting.Karizma Parts Manual - https://picasaweb.google.com/1010125...rizmaCatalogue
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Any scope if I post a copy of my horoscope?Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View PostThis member sounds like our new Member Vishnukmd.
Me.Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View PostWho said its impossible to eliminate tappet sound?
No. My bike is not a gift from anyone to experiment with. I bought it by giving my own hard earned money.Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View PostHave you tried setting tappets yourself?
Great. The experiment is not on your own bike.Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View PostI had adjusted tappets in a bike and the result was 100% successful.
Is that bike insured against fire?Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View PostNo more tappet noise till now after adjusting.
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Originally posted by punarvasu View PostEarlier you were sure that that sound is from tappet. Someone pointed out that it is from the cam chain. Then you are ready to agree that it is from cam chain.
@punarvasu - What you said is precisely correct the user is not certain.
Thats usual, It happen's when we're new to biking. But I can say one thing with 100% guarantee, TIK TIK(NIK NIK to be precise.) noise has nothing to do with Tappet setting, seriously, from when does one metal particle hitting another at high speeds make TIK TIK noise. TIK TIK noise is exclusively related to chains, be it cam chain or drive chain. And its always best to learn from experience.
Ask the mechanic in the SC to ride the bike and if there is tappet noise, keep the bike overnight there and get the clearance corrected next day, on cold engine.
Keeping the bike overnight is a big no no... Cause you've got no idea what goes on behind the counter.
The valve clearance must be zero or nearly zero when the operating temperature of the engine reaches its maximum.
It's best to let psr sir comment on this part.
According to common sense, its apt to believe that when the engine's hot the valve clearance gets lesser and comes to as low as 0 @ highest operating temperature. But in reality its the opposite, so its better he provides the technical explanation rather than me trying to recollect his words.
Not only experts, even kids like myself do it, I've done the same multiple times and that too while my bike was parked on the side of the road. Reason for it was that bike was running lean enough to make the pistonning noise clearly audible.
100% Definite. Took me a while to realize the same though. An engine consists of numerous parts that are in constant movement, so little noise is acceptable, but prominent ones should'nt be let off lightly.Replies in BOLD.Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View PostThis member sounds like our new Member Vishnukmd.
Lol, everyone knows it.
Who said its impossible to eliminate tappet sound? Have you tried setting tappets yourself? I had adjusted tappets in a bike and the result was 100% successful.No more tappet noise till now after adjusting.
The answer for the above is mixed, cause Aneesh is wrong and right at the same time. Cause the same perspective varies from person to person.Motorcycling Experience:
2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!
The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
Adios Comrades!
A.P. 2018
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Replies in BOLD.Originally posted by punarvasu View PostAny scope if I post a copy of my horoscope?
Its definitely him.
No. My bike is not a gift from anyone to experiment with. I bought it by giving my own hard earned money.
I only wish I'd had the capability to buy my own ride, since techincally its my dad's ride, I dont even do half of the things I think about doing.
OT.
I've been saving some cash for the past 1.5yrs or so, if am lucky you guys'll see another pony in my stable.
Great. The experiment is not on your own bike.
It was on my ride, and dont worry, we had a MECHANICAL ENGINEER assist us. Hehe, am sure he'd kill me if he saw this post.
Is that bike insured against fire?
Yup.
Motorcycling Experience:
2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!
The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
Adios Comrades!
A.P. 2018
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Aswin,Originally posted by ashwinprakas View PostWhat you said is precisely correct the user is not certain.
Why are you dragging another person – even though he is an expert or the only expert among us – to this discussion instead of trying to learn what he taught? It is evident that you are not a good student who can recollect what he has learned.
One more doubt. Have you ever seen any biker other than you - even a mechanic - adjusting the valve clearance or tuning the carburetor, parking the bike on the road side?
Doing the essential repairing oneself and being obsessive is totally different. That is what I have pointed out or tried to point out and is because I am totally against unnecessary maintenance woks, modifications and tunings.
Let us leave it now.
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Replies in BOLD.Originally posted by punarvasu View PostAswin,
who can recollect what he has learned.
No matter how good a student we are,or no matter how good we recall things, some things are always left as so, it doesnt signify a persons incompetence, its just a way of showing respect. But if you insist,
The reason for the contrary being so is cause the top head is made with aluminium and hence expands differently, so causing it to actually push downwards, thus is short resulting in increased tappet noise.
One more doubt. Have you ever seen any biker other than you - even a mechanic - adjusting the valve clearance or tuning the carburetor, parking the bike on the road side?
Doing the essential repairing oneself and being obsessive is totally different. That is what I have pointed out or tried to point out and is because I am totally against unnecessary maintenance woks, modifications and tunings.
If you have a flat tire and no mechs around what would you do???? End up riding till you meet a mech, or get you'r hands dirty.???
Its best to sort things the earliest possible, instead of waiting for the ultimatum i.e break down.
Let us leave it now.
Yup, you'r once again right. The matter is to be left alone as the opinion varies from person to person.Motorcycling Experience:
2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!
The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
Adios Comrades!
A.P. 2018
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The situations – adjusting the valve clearance or retuning the carburetor at roadside and handling a flat tire - are totally different.Originally posted by ashwinprakas View PostIf you have a flat tire and no mechs around what would you do???? End up riding till you meet a mech, or get you'r hands dirty.?
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Tappet noise may slightly differ for different different engines,for e.g.the valve train noise in RTR engine is not the same as its in your ZMA!Originally posted by ashwinprakas View PostTik Tik can never be tappet noise, suspect the timing chain.
The tapet noise is a well defined mechanical sound relating to a sewing machine. And it can be heard when the bike's idle and it increases with acceleration.
Its like kachak....kackak....kachak....
If there is 'more than required' clearance between the valve head and the tappet,some engines produce 'tik-tik' sound even when at cold conditions.The kachak kachak
noise you had mentioned comes most probably when the engine is hot.
The tappets making noise after riding the bike for some kms is quite normal provided they are adjusted to the co.specs.For GS150R its 0.05mm(intake) and 0.08mm(exhaust) I guess,not sure though.Originally posted by newfan View PostI have the same prob from time till today in the engine.
The tick tick noise comes from engine head only when it s hot after 5 to 6kms of ride. the noise peaks at around 4k rpm.
i was first told as tappet noise but it persisted even after they adjusted 3 times till date.
i stopped worrying since pick up s normal and mileage is around 55.
i really could not come to a conclusion whether its engine over heating noise or tappet noise.
So plz ans this.
When does the tappet noise comes( when HOT, COLD or BOTH)
There should be some clearance between the valve head and the adjustment bolt,i.e.the tappet.But dont try to keep less gap and completely eliminate the noise,that will damage the engine in long run for sure.Insufficient clearance results in decreased power,drop of top end performance and overheating,valve overheating or burning.Exhaust valve wear is typically faster as they are subjected to more heat than the intake valves.
The first sign of too tight clearances is a reduction in performance as the engine warms up.The clearance is necessary because the valves get a little longer as they heat up. They'll seat when cold but leak when hot if the clearance is a little tight.If they leak when cold, they are way out of spec.When they don't seat,the valve bodies overheat because they are in the flow of combustion gasses and never get to give up heat by contacting the head. This can result to burnt valves.
Also,a 'little' more gap than required will give you better redlining abilities at the cost of tappet noise!
Following things should be kept in mind-The engine must be bone cold before adjusting tappets.They should be adjusted to co.specs given in the user manual.
The valve clearance should always be set when the piston is at TDC(Top dead centre) of compression stroke(both the valves are closed at this point) i.e. just after the intake valve closes.The SVC guys most of the time ignore this and the above thing happens.
Whats your odo reading?If there is no noise when the engine is cold then you dont have to worry about it,tappets generally tends to produce noise when they get hot but there is nothing wrong in getting them checked for proper clearance.Originally posted by newfan View PostIn mine the noise only comes when hot and no unnecessary noise when cold. So i guess it must be faulty Cam chain.
I have tried many local mechanics, even new unknown ones none of them are aware of the Gs engine. Then enjoy the ride and their reply would beThere is some noise which would require the engine to be opened, since the bike is new take it to SVC.
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