Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

Ok first and foremost, this post is for all those members who post the queries/problems and choose not to get answers through homework.

I am not taking any names but saw chain been lubed every few kms. First and foremost excessive lubing will effect the chain , noone, and nowhere its written to lube so frequently.

Then comes the question regarding servicing etc, which are related to svc. Has anyone tried reading the manual thoroughly? Aint the consumable charges mentioned or what "free service" means.

Brakes, is it so tough to just search about disc brakes online, no one here asked anyone to be the DIY guy, but there is svc right? They are there for a reason, you have paid almost a lac rupees for this thing and you have all the right to nag them every now and then.

Also DIY was never a macho thingy. If people thought like that, then they were wrong. Some people love DIY, some dont want to take risk and thats absolutely fine. I for when I joined was scared of DIYs but I love them now as as per me, it will give me more practical knowledge than asking for answers on forums and waiting for answers.

Then comes pirellis being skidd(y). I mean seriously, people shift to pirelli because of grip and hear because braking being done wrong the tyre becomes the culprit....Seriously?
Internet is filled with videos and articles regarding braking , even this forum has thread regarding the same.

Lastly, launch of ABS version, will posting the same question by diff members will make TVS launch it early. It will happen when its supposed to and internet will go viral over the same, why ask the same question again and again? "Patience" is a word too.

Now just a suggestion, stop cribbing about problems of any bike, dont get attached to the bike to this level that while riding you think about problems rather than enjoying the moment of riding it.

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Hey so much of serious discussions on DIY. Do it yourself on brakes is risky and it depends on the person if he has some knowledge about the same.
Coming to my problem of front brakes, its sorted out. Did it myself. Just opened the oil filler on the top and pumped the brake for the oil to spurt out little bit. Maybe some dirt was stuck in the oil pipe because of which the brake had become spongy. After pumping changed the brake oil and done. Now it is working perfectly. So good as I didn't need to visit the SVC.

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Good Job!!

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I want to know which synthetic oil performs well for rtr 200 . I used castro synthetic it reduced 25 percentage speed performance of my bike

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First and foremost, I strongly discourage riding on public roads and "practicing" leaning when there is on coming traffic.I would have understood if it was vacant road. Secondly, you over shot and went into on coming traffic's lane numerous times, thank your angel that there were no vehicle in front of you. And lastly the last clip clearly showed wrong body position, and wrong brake timing. Want to practice and hone your skills, go to a track, spare the public roads. You should be thankful that you were able to upload this video. And always remember there is someone waiting for you back at home.

Try SHell Ultra or Motul 7100. Also dont tell svc that you are changing oil or else they will say all bs about warranty.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

one thing that i have noticed is that the SVC is not trained to work on the New RTR 200, if it has some engine problem like the one which i had. (Engine noise). They can only do the normal servicing and that is also not upto to mark. RTR 200 is different from 160 or 180, they need to train the SVC guys for repairing the same. Now this bike is about a year old from its launch still there are problems in major repair works and also the spares are not easily available. They should also upgrade the old 160 and 180 on the platform provided by 200. This way they will get more exposure. RTR 200 advantage is Less vibration, is longer than the old bike and looks more sporty and better TVS tyres. (old TVS tyres are not good in grip as per what i have read and heared)

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Yes sir, noted!

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Well I will pitch in to this discussion since its personally relevant to me too (being a rtr 200 owner and a new member on this forum).


I have read @rakowli sir relevant post and immediately understood that he is just stating issues with the bike (a rant as prateek sir pointed out BUT A JUSTIFIED RANT). All you need to do is to put yourselves in his shoes and understand that having your front brake perform poorly on a 200cc bike would piss off any reasonably intelligent person(would definitely piss me off).


I don't understand why some members have to attack him for it (making pointed and personal attacks of asking him to check for air in the brake lines, to bleed them and the gold standard joke of an argument - stating that R3 has the same issue something which no rtr 200 owner needs to care about. After all i don't go around checking if bikes with more cc than mine are having braking issues ).

While I expected this from the one member who has a rampant history of dissing anyone and everyone who complains against TVS products (and then goes to threads of other manufacturers and finds out unreasonable excuses of maligning their products too) I didn't expect this from @prateek2210 sir considering his experience.


Don't get me wrong I agree with most of what @prateek2210 sir said, many members do post without even checking their manual or going for online info and you can go back a few pages and even see me politely asking other members to check their manuals for their query (i think I even gave one guy the page number). However, in this case @rakowli has expressed his concern on issues from a brand new bike and not asked for any help to fix it in that regard (besides does anyone seriously think that an owner needs to be explicitly told to take the bike to SVC for a brake issue).


Thanks to @PrinceCruise for attempting to bring some sanity to the discussion.


For @prateek2210 sir, I would just request him to remember that even he was inexperienced at one time and that there is a subtle (but important) difference between politely asking junior members to consult the manual and asking people to stop cribbing about the bike (You can be damn sure that If my bike brakes were failing me I would do anything but keep quite). [For more reasons for this line of reasoning see the last para]


To the other member (whose name I will not mention) I would just like him to know that personal attacks on other members will not be tolerated at least by me (let the mods take a decision on whether they want to allow you to continue posting vitriol on this forum). Also its the mods duty to clean up the thread not yours (THANK GOD FOR THAT).


To everyone else, like @prateek2210 sir said please read your manuals and conduct some basic background search on your issue (will ultimately help you with knowing more about your bike ..never a bad thing). Also, in my humble opinion you can continue to post issues with the bike. After all the only reason I knew to tell my friends to not buy dukes in the starting and wait for the updates to come out was because multiple members had kindly posted about the same issues (letting me know that it was a widespread problem). That knowledge is invaluable even today because if I was to get a second hand duke 390 (2014 model for example) I know what issues to check for. Does this repeated posting of the same issue make the thread large ... definitely yes (perhaps the mods can create a poll of the issues commonly found) but is the information useless (not to me personally..you just need to know how to use that knowledge). Ultimately this is one of those fights without an end in sight. Ask members to keep the thread clean (by restraining themselves from posting issues which would only benefit the manufacturer because for us there is the search function to search for a relevant issue) or politely ask members to investigate a little bit before posting an issue (perhaps the interface for a post in ownership section needs to be slightly different from others). I will leave that up to our capable mods to decide.

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Thank you guys. I had my phone tinging me for close to five minutes requiring me get up at 4:50 AM.

Well, we are here to help each other. Please remember, to all our Bhpians, there in nothing wrong is reiterating something for someone if it requires more clarity. Always remember, different people report different problems and resort to different solutions; some have a simple, universal solution, some have a radical, new solution that might be an eye-opening information or a new topic altogether. After all, problems make life better don't they. You find solutions, you share them, and someone somewhere might encounter a similar issue and, they get useful information, right around the corner, here in our forum.

xBhp is all ears when it comes to motorcycles and even much as to their problems and solutions, and we are here as a team are to learn. It's glad to see members posting valuable information, problems, solutions, timely updates, which all takes personal time. We must learn to value others time taken to post a valuable post. Not everyone knows everything, everyone starts as a shoot, slowly grow up to become a plant. Let's give everyone some space. Let's help them in little ways we can. Someone's "valuable" post can make a significant impact on someone else's knowledge base.

Note "valuable" and coming to the topic of valuable...

What I would request folks is, please make it crisp and clear what you are intending to write. Properly formatted text, gives the information like a nail in the center of the head. SMS lingos, shortened texts, your shorthand skills are a no-no for xBhp We want you to elaborate, neat, crisp and bang on, so that even you yourself can refer to your solution you've long forgotten. Plus a proper formatted text helps find the right information in Google Search. SMS lingo, short forms, shorthand skills all increase the leadtime of a search query. Try this in the mobile version and you will know how true the search parody is.

All these little things, helps us ultimately in the end.

So, what's the next problem, we have!

Cheers!
VJ

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

Booked a Matt Red 200 4V (Pirelli version) earlier today, after waiting of months for a decent motorcycle to upgrade to from my Fz16. Budget, requirements and urgency taken into consideration, zeroed down on the Apache. Cost 1,19,345 OTR here in Kolkata. What tilted the balance in the Apache's favour is the dealers' assurance that ABS can be retrofitted once launched by the company within two months. I noticed that the instrument console already has an ABS indicator inbuilt which temporarily lights up upon ignition. This is the primary reason i chose this motorcycle ahead of the Fz25.

Took a short ride about on my allocated machine and the following things were observed.


- It is no doubt a beautiful looking, well proportioned machine. Not too busy in design or overtly covered with stickers. The build quality looks great too. Only gripe here is that a 100 section front tyre would looked even better instead of the 90 being provided

- Upgrading from the Fz, the initial burst felt startling and very impressive. Guess, a lot of fun awaits!

- I am 6'2 and can state that there is ample room for riders of all sizes on it. My knees locked on perfectly onto the recesses. Excellent ergonomics and immediately felt at home riding it

- The power plant is surprisingly refined and the gearbox felt smooth, even on a spanking new bike. Although, finding neutral is taking time, at least initially. Will elaborate on this once I take possession and put a few miles on it

- The brakes. This is my only point of concern here. Coming from a Yamaha, on which the braking was precise and instantaneous, I found that a lot more of the lever needs to be engaged on the Apache. Perhaps it is a lot more progressive I and just need to get used to it . Otherwise, shall have to change my one finger braking habit!

- The clutch is not too hard, although not as feathery as those on a Honda or Yamaha. So heavy-traffic crawls should not be too painful - The instrument console is LOADED. Gives out all sorts of readings / figures and is very well designed and crisp

- Whilst the shotgun style exhaust setup looks a bit odd, boy! does is sound good!. Easily the best sounding motorcycle in its segment

I have been regularly following this thread have have noted the niggling issues bugging several existing owners. Hopefully, TVS have sorted at least some of those out in its latest batch of motorcycles. Overall, the feedback seems to positive and based on several long term reviews up on the internet, I hope I have made a good buy. Even my FZ had a few niggles over its three years of ownership and I still totally loved it. So, I guess its comes to adjustment and embracing the shortcomings!

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Hey guys, has anyone observed tappet noise after 15-20 kms of running?
Did my first highway run of 60 kms at 70-80 kmph and I could hear the tappet noise pretty well at idle rpm's post running.

I was pretty impressed with the bike's performance and handling capabilities

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The decision based on retro-fitting of ABS is not correct mate. Dealer will say a thousand things, but what can you do when the dealer denies the same after few months? ABS module is not a component which can be "retro-fitted" easily. It is launched after various sorts of testing in real world scenarios covering thousands of kilometers. ABS is something which should come out of the factory (factory-fitted) and you should simply forget about retro-fitting it as it may require changing of multiple parts making its very costly to retro-fit. Even if you did manage to retro-fit, you won't be getting warranty on it like you would get on factory-fitted one. It will be a hit or miss, so I think its a risk not worth it. My advice would be to buy a bike with ABS if you are really keen on ABS, otherwise just forget about retro-fitting a component which is meant for safety but would rather be unsafe if retro-fitted. Still if you are not convinced, then ask your dealer to give in writing with dealer stamp saying that ABS would be retro-fitted once available. I am sure the dealer would try to dodge the request. They need a sale, so the dealers tend to say a yes for everything you ask. Try asking if they can retro-fit the FI system, they might just say yes. :P

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Hello Nitish,
I had faced tappet noise after some 2500kms and that was around 2nd servicing.
Mechanics at service centre tried fixing it but they couldn't find any solution, so they ordered a new engine head which would have new valves snd all this was covered under warranty.
I still need to check if there was any effect in performance like top speed or acceleration but tappet noise is definitely gone.
After changing engine head I had been to long ride of 450kms and my bike was working perfect.. Just I need to perform some quick acceleration and high speed test..

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Hi Akshay,
One thing to mention is that the tappet noise subsides once the engine is cold. Was your bike making noise even when the engine was cold?
Not very pleased to hear that the whole head had to be changed.

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No.. When engine was cold, it was like a normal sound, after 10mins of ride, it would start making those noise mostly when the rpm was 3-4k in all gears.. Very Weird stuff.. And ASC people couldn't mend it.. So had to replace..