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**psr** · 09-21-2011, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by saipranav View Post

Hello, i made a mechanic clean my air filter in front of me, he also said there might be something wrong with the spark plug, so he removed and cleaned it and kept it back...
below are some of the spark plug pics which i took yesterday... you can see some more pics a few pages back... sorry again for the poor pic quality but the best cam i have atm is a 3 mp phone cam...

I wonder how gear box can be the problem for bike not reaching above 8 K RPM.....The Pic of plug shows that you are running very lean AF mix,esp., look at the ground electrode, it is glazed white,which means it is running hot and not even a small amount of carbon ,as on the plug can be seen...
Good luck to you, and hope SVC solves your problem.

**Drifty** · 09-21-2011, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

I wonder how gear box can be the problem for bike not reaching above 8 K RPM.....The Pic of plug shows that you are running very lean AF mix,esp., look at the ground electrode, it is glazed white,which means it is running hot and not even a small amount of carbon ,as on the plug can be seen...

PSR sir,I think it might not be lean cause the whitening around the electrode is because of the poor quality of the pic,this happens when the pic is not clear.
@Saipranav:,Spark plug reading needs to be done with proper light/magnifying glass so please try to upload a better quality pic for easy judging.BTW,the RTRs are equipped with twin electrode spark plug,yours is a single electrode,which spark plug is that?have you checked the heat range for if its compatible with the engine?

**gixxer_junkie_m** · 09-21-2011, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by Drifty View Post

PSR sir,I think it might not be lean cause the whitening around the electrode is because of the poor quality of the pic,this happens when the pic is not clear.
@Saipranav:,Spark plug reading needs to be done with proper light/magnifying glass so please try to upload a better quality pic for easy judging.BTW,the RTRs are equipped with twin electrode spark plug,yours is a single electrode,which spark plug is that?have you checked the heat range for if its compatible with the engine?

That's the first thing i asked him when i saw the pic yesterday.He mentioned that it was the plug which his bike came with.The plug he mentioned about was CHAMPION PC4H .I knew earlier ones used to come with BOSCH UR5DDC - twin electrode.

**vineshp** · 09-22-2011, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Drifty View Post

BTW,the RTRs are equipped with twin electrode spark plug,yours is a single electrode,which spark plug is that?

My RTR 180-ABS has BOSCH UR5DDC- Twin Electrode..

ODO is now at 420Kms. Manual says first service is b/w 500-750Kms. Can I give to service just after 500Kms?

**Abhii46** · 09-22-2011, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by vineshp View Post

Can I give to service just after 500Kms?

Yes, you can.

**vineshp** · 09-22-2011, 12:59 AM

changes for comfortable riding

Now it seems my body has adapted to the riding posture of Apache. Wrist pain/back pain gone now. The forward riding position feels good while braking.

The only thing is I keep my heel on foot peg and toe on gear shift lever and after 15-20 minutes of riding the ankle starts to pain. If I take the toe from gear shift lever and keep it pointed towards ground, it feels better but it's uncomfortable in long rides.

The manual says 'gear shift lever position can be set to your convenience.' Has anyone changed the position ? (slightly lower could be comfortable for me) Also, how to adjust the clip-on handlebar?

**saipranav** · 09-22-2011, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post

That's the first thing i asked him when i saw the pic yesterday.He mentioned that it was the plug which his bike came with.The plug he mentioned about was CHAMPION PC4H .I knew earlier ones used to come with BOSCH UR5DDC - twin electrode.

Hey dude, i just happened to glance through my manual and saw that BOSCH twin electrode is mentioned in the engine specs page... i'm confused as well as scared... is this spark plug gonna damage my bike or something? ... and how did this spark plug come into my bike... i feel its there from the beginning...
BTW the MANUFACTURING date of my bike is march 2010.

**gixxer_junkie_m** · 09-22-2011, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by saipranav View Post

Hey dude, i just happened to glance through my manual and saw that BOSCH twin electrode is mentioned in the engine specs page... i'm confused as well as scared... is this spark plug gonna damage my bike or something? ... and how did this spark plug come into my bike... i feel its there from the beginning...
BTW the MANUFACTURING date of my bike is march 2010.

No need to worry too much dude,if TVS has started to put champion plugs then you need not worry.
There could be a few reasons for it being there.

1. TVS themselves might have changed the plug due to whatever reasons.For ex the TCI unit is different to that of the old RTR180's(different mapping) and there are small changes made at stages.
The manual may not reflect these small changes,as they are printed in bulk and given.

2. Then the other reason could be that the ASC guys might have swapped the plug,which might not be a good thing.

Spark plug changes might have been done to batches by TVS.So it might not reflect on some other purchase done by a Xbhpian.
Do one thing,just confirm it from the ASC and if possible from other RTR180 owners who bought the bike along with you.

**saipranav** · 09-22-2011, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post

No need to worry too much dude,if TVS has started to put champion plugs then you need not worry.
There could be a few reasons for it being there.

1. TVS themselves might have changed the plug due to whatever reasons.For ex the TCI unit is different to that of the old RTR180's(different mapping) and there are small changes made at stages.
The manual may not reflect these small changes,as they are printed in bulk and given.

2. Then the other reason could be that the ASC guys might have swapped the plug,which might not be a good thing.

Spark plug changes might have been done to batches by TVS.So it might not reflect on some other purchase done by a Xbhpian.
Do one thing,just confirm it from the ASC and if possible from other RTR180 owners who bought the bike along with you.

Just went to TVS ASC as they said my bike will be ready by today morning only...
They never fail to give me a shock.
He said he needs another 4-5 days to work on my bike(I'm guessing he still didnt start working because he said 'you bike is next sir', 'we are going to open the engine and check everything'
I dont know wtf is the problem with these guys, at first they deny there is any problem, now when they know there is a problem, they take so much time to start working on it, they took my bike at 2:00 p.m. yesterday, even though i went there by 9:30 a.m. and they still have not started working on it...
**** the lazy morons of TVS...

@gixxer_junkie:
When i told him that my bike has a champ single electrode, he said 'its ok, no problem' and when i said that my manual mentions a 'BOSCH twin electrode' he said ' no problem sir we can replace it'...
His body language was kind of weird when he said this...

**gixxer_junkie_m** · 09-22-2011, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by saipranav View Post

Just went to TVS ASC as they said my bike will be ready by today morning only...
They never fail to give me a shock.
He said he needs another 4-5 days to work on my bike(I'm guessing he still didnt start working because he said 'you bike is next sir', 'we are going to open the engine and check everything'
I dont know wtf is the problem with these guys, at first they deny there is any problem, now when they know there is a problem, they take so much time to start working on it, they took my bike at 2:00 p.m. yesterday, even though i went there by 9:30 a.m. and they still have not started working on it...
**** the lazy morons of TVS...

@gixxer_junkie:
When i told him that my bike has a champ single electrode, he said 'its ok, no problem' and when i said that my manual mentions a 'BOSCH twin electrode' he said ' no problem sir we can replace it'...
His body language was kind of weird when he said this...

Yeah bro,that's how most TVS ASC's mech's attitudes are.Then ask the other bike owners who bought from the same batch about the spark plug.
Even better,mail the TVS officials themselves about the spark plug along with the problems your bike is having.That should clear up things.

**Drifty** · 09-22-2011, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by saipranav View Post

When i told him that my bike has a champ single electrode, he said 'its ok, no problem' and when i said that my manual mentions a 'BOSCH twin electrode' he said ' no problem sir we can replace it'...
His body language was kind of weird when he said this...

All batches have the Bosch spark plug,leave the RTRs even the TVS Flame have twin electrode.TVS never use Champion spark plug in their bikes,its a local brand mostly used in HeroHonda bikes,your Bosch twin electrode might have been replaced by the SVC guys!Get a new one.

**Garry_Menace** · 09-23-2011, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by saipranav View Post

Just went to TVS ASC as they said my bike will be ready by today morning only...
They never fail to give me a shock.
He said he needs another 4-5 days to work on my bike(I'm guessing he still didnt start working because he said 'you bike is next sir', 'we are going to open the engine and check everything'
I dont know wtf is the problem with these guys, at first they deny there is any problem, now when they know there is a problem, they take so much time to start working on it, they took my bike at 2:00 p.m. yesterday, even though i went there by 9:30 a.m. and they still have not started working on it...
**** the lazy morons of TVS...

@gixxer_junkie:
When i told him that my bike has a champ single electrode, he said 'its ok, no problem' and when i said that my manual mentions a 'BOSCH twin electrode' he said ' no problem sir we can replace it'...
His body language was kind of weird when he said this...

Keeping both the bold parts in mind, I strongly recommend you to contact the higher officials and to tell them both these things. I may be wrong and lets hope I should be wrong at it, but it seems that the SVC guys are cheating you by taking out the originals from your bike.

**vineshp** · 09-23-2011, 01:21 AM

wishing good luck to @saipranav

Originally posted by Garry_Menace View Post

I may be wrong and lets hope I should be wrong at it, but it seems that the SVC guys are cheating you by taking out the originals from your bike.

Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post

Yeah bro,that's how most TVS ASC's mech's attitudes are.
Even better,mail the TVS officials themselves about the spark plug along with the problems your bike is having.That should clear up things.

+1.
@saipranav: Take this issue to TVS officials ASAP. Wishing you to get your ride back in perfect condition very soon!

Why most SVC mechs attitude is like this?! Why don't they ask for tips from us openly instead of these cheap 'swapping' of parts?

(If indeed the guy HAD replaced your spark plug)

**social** · 09-23-2011, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by vineshp View Post

+1.
@saipranav: Take this issue to TVS officials ASAP. Wishing you to get your ride back in perfect condition very soon!

Why most SVC mechs attitude is like this?! Why don't they ask for tips from us openly instead of these cheap 'swapping' of parts?

(If indeed the guy HAD replaced your spark plug)

But I am wondering why someone would swap the plug (Its cheap at 114 bucks)... A used BOSCH spark plug has no value in my opinion. Most probably a mix-up or something during earlier service.

But you should definitely put a new twin electrode spark next time.

**saipranav** · 09-23-2011, 12:51 PM

Sent them a query regarding the spark plug issue... cant blame the TVS ASC people directly... it could have been even lifted at some parking lot or something...
Will immediately change to BOSCH twin electrode... I was actually thinking of using a NGK iridium suggested by gixxer junkie (since im planning to use joel's big bore as soon as my warranty is over... probably the iridium will do some justice...) but i dont know if the iridium will have any bad effect on my stock bike...

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