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**rreneav1987** · 03-14-2017, 09:38 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by CodeEvo View Post

Hi Everyone,

I would need help regarding my bike, i bought my ZMR back in 2010 February and i was a regular user of the bike until 2013 december 30k ridden post that i was abroad so my friend used to take the bike out once in a while he used to get only normal service done (oil change, wash) etc, now i am back and started using the bike regularly and was hearing a tak tak when i rev the engine , so i know a mechanic i used to give the bike to him and he said he needs to check this might be something to do with the timing chain, so when he removed the engine we saw that the clutch plates and pistons needs to be changed with a rebore , injector needs to be cleaned and a lot of things, i will show you the quote. btw the bike has run 40k now

Now i need inputs from you guys.

1. Crank Shaft Halfset - 3200/-
2. Reboring with Pistons -1800/
3.Headwork- 600/-
4. Wall Kit- 850
5. Gearbox Bearing kit - 1200/-
6. Timing Chain Kit - 2200/-
7. FI cleaning - 2500/-
8. Engine Packing Kit- 600/-
9. Clutch Plate - 1500/-
10. Steel Plate - 450/-
11. Engine oil Seal Kit - 300/-
12. Engine oil and Coolant oil- 500/-
13. Tensioner chain- 1500/-
14. Cam Shaft Bearing -450/-
15. Engine Bearing Kit - 1000/-

This is the estimation he gave me .

Any Suggestions guys?

That's a lot of money. The Mechanic is trying to make a lot of money out of you! The engine oil is the only coolant that the engine gets. It is an oil cooler and not liquid cooling.. oil cooler is another technology for Air cooling.

2500 for first cleaning? Is he serious? Well, I can't really comment on it! But AFAIK, new FI will cost ~5k

BTW, was the bike smoking from the Silencer? I have a gut feeling that guy is trying to cheat off your hard earned money!

**Divya Sharan** · 03-14-2017, 01:15 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by CodeEvo View Post

Hi Everyone,

I would need help regarding my bike, i bought my ZMR back in 2010 February and i was a regular user of the bike until 2013 december 30k ridden post that i was abroad so my friend used to take the bike out once in a while he used to get only normal service done (oil change, wash) etc, now i am back and started using the bike regularly and was hearing a tak tak when i rev the engine

Did you check the tappets/valve clearance? Get it set to 0.09 mm (stock is 0.1 mm though) using a feeler gauge only.
Additionally, ask your mech to check for play in the rocker arms. At an outside garage, both (rockers + tappets) these combined would cost you 500-600.

, so i know a mechanic i used to give the bike to him and he said he needs to check this might be something to do with the timing chain, so when he removed the engine we saw that the clutch plates and pistons needs to be changed with a rebore , injector needs to be cleaned and a lot of things

How did he know injectors need cleaning - was the bike jerking? Why do you need to go for a rebore? Was the bike consuming oil? Was it smoking through the exhaust? If yes, what color (white/black)? Share a pic of the spark plug, check the exhaust tip and let us know if you get dry soot or wet black gooey stuff (again carbon).
Timing chain *may be* affected. Park your bike on the main stand and let it idle. Do you hear the pings (tak tak sound) all the time or only above 3000 or so revs?

, i will show you the quote. btw the bike has run 40k now

Now i need inputs from you guys.

1. Crank Shaft Halfset - 3200/- May not be needed
2. Reboring with Pistons -1800/ - May not be needed
3.Headwork- 600/- Not needed unless engine is knocking heavily. 40k is too less anyways. Take your bike to an open stretch and red-line through the first few gears for sometime. Carbon built up would burn off.
4. Wall Kit- 850 - Why is this needed?
5. Gearbox Bearing kit - 1200/- Again, why?
6. Timing Chain Kit - 2200/- Plausible expense.
7. FI cleaning - 2500/- Rubbish. Petrol wash for Rs 100.
8. Engine Packing Kit- 600/- May not be needed
9. Clutch Plate - 1500/- May not be needed. Was the bike struggling to accelerate with increase in revs?
10. Steel Plate - 450/- May not be needed.
11. Engine oil Seal Kit - 300/- May not be needed. Was the bike leaking oil?
12. Engine oil and Coolant oil- 500/- Just pour 1100 ml engine oil. If clutch case is opened put 1300 ml oil. Nothing else. There's no coolant oil used here. It's an air cooled engine with an oil cooler to cool the oil.
13. Tensioner chain- 1500/- May not be needed.
14. Cam Shaft Bearing -450/- May not be needed.
15. Engine Bearing Kit - 1000/- May not be needed.

This is the estimation he gave me .

Any Suggestions guys?

Suggestions above.

**CodeEvo** · 03-14-2017, 02:39 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Suggestions above.

How did he know injectors need cleaning - was the bike jerking? Why do you need to go for a rebore? Was the bike consuming oil? Was it smoking through the exhaust? If yes, what color (white/black)? -

The color was black it was not smoking through the exhaust it was collected inside the FI, and yes bike was consuming a lot of oil my friend had got an oil change in october and bike was only 1k ridden and it was black when he took it off with considerably less quantity

Timing chain *may be* affected. Park your bike on the main stand and let it idle. Do you hear the pings (tak tak sound) all the time or only above 3000 or so revs? -

Tak tak sound after 3k rpm

Thanks for the input guys, he removed the engine in front of me and showed me the black stuff which was collected and also the bearings which needs to be replaced he said since its the first time he opened the engine its better to do this off, anyways he is buying the stuff required from hero and of course i will get the bill from him, i kind of felt i was getting ripped off but i did not want to take any chances since the bike was not serviced properly for a good 4 years.

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Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

That's a lot of money. The Mechanic is trying to make a lot of money out of you! The engine oil is the only coolant that the engine gets. It is an oil cooler and not liquid cooling.. oil cooler is another technology for Air cooling.

2500 for first cleaning? Is he serious? Well, I can't really comment on it! But AFAIK, new FI will cost ~5k

BTW, was the bike smoking from the Silencer? I have a gut feeling that guy is trying to cheat off your hard earned money!

So i will tell him not to clean the FI i knew 2.5k for cleaning was a rip off but he said its done with some machine and not normally, and there was no smoking from the silencer

**Divya Sharan** · 03-14-2017, 04:12 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by CodeEvo View Post

The color was black it was not smoking through the exhaust it was collected inside the FI,
Kindly explain this. What was collected inside the FI?

and yes bike was consuming a lot of oil my friend had got an oil change in october and bike was only 1k ridden and it was black when he took it off with considerably less quantity
If a 10w30 grade oil was poured, then 1000 km is enough. Oil consumption depends upon a multitude of factors. First check if all oil seals are proper.

So i will tell him not to clean the FI i knew 2.5k for cleaning was a rip off but he said its done with some machine and not normally, and there was no smoking from the silencer
Just dip it in petrol and then pressure wash. Ensure all 12 holes in the injector are cleaned.

Replied in bold above.

**CodeEvo** · 03-14-2017, 08:21 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Replied in bold above.
Kindly explain this. What was collected inside the FI?

When he removed it he showed me a layer of black carbon smoke kind of thing and he said it hasn't been touched before and therefore a clean is required.

I am going tomorrow to check on the progress will let him know regarding the FI cleaning.

**vidz** · 03-15-2017, 03:09 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Hello all, Hope you guys are rocking.

I was cleaning my bike and I saw some oil with suit on the engine top n where the silencer joins the engine. 20800kms run. What could be the reason for this issue? and will this cause any additional problem in future? On last oil change, the mechanic had overfilled a little (around 100-150 ml). Would this small amount of overfill cause oil leaks? If so what else could have happened internally? I am not finding any issues with the bikes performance.

And another thing i felt weird. my bike was running in city traffic max 5-6 kms. after turning off the engine at home i thought of observing the oil leak i mentioned above and that time i could hear some spark kind of sound. i am sure its due to engine heat but it was not like the silencer that makes sound after turning off. just wanted to know which component was making that sound.. (you can hear it only if you try to check the engine from the front faring opening)

And when i travel in super heavy traffic for around 1 or 1.5 hrs i can hear some knocking kind of sound (no jerk or any vibrations) at around 3500-4000 rpm if i accelerate hard it vanishes. and also i feel the pickup will be little bit reduced that time and heat will be formed near the fuel tank. Is this common behavior when engone is heated?

**Divya Sharan** · 03-15-2017, 05:50 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by vidz View Post

I was cleaning my bike and I saw some oil with suit on the engine top n where the silencer joins the engine. 20800kms run. What could be the reason for this issue?

Can be overfill, can be bust oil seals, worn out head cover gasket or improperly fit tappet bolts.

and will this cause any additional problem in future?

Well, this is worrying at just 20k km, but nothing that cannot be sorted out.

On last oil change, the mechanic had overfilled a little (around 100-150 ml). Would this small amount of overfill cause oil leaks? If so what else could have happened internally? I am not finding any issues with the bikes performance.

Yes, avoid overfilling. Follow the manual while filling oil. 1100 ml is the MAX one can put during normal oil changed (if the clutch case isn't opened). Oil being liquid isn't *very* compressible and hence any extra oil causes immense pressure from the inside, leading to oil seals giving away.

And another thing i felt weird. my bike was running in city traffic max 5-6 kms. after turning off the engine at home i thought of observing the oil leak i mentioned above and that time i could hear some spark kind of sound. i am sure its due to engine heat but it was not like the silencer that makes sound after turning off. just wanted to know which component was making that sound.. (you can hear it only if you try to check the engine from the front faring opening)

The chat chat sound comes from the engine head area (near lambda sensor). It's slightly different from the cat-con sound coming from the exhaust can.

And when i travel in super heavy traffic for around 1 or 1.5 hrs i can hear some knocking kind of sound (no jerk or any vibrations) at around 3500-4000 rpm if i accelerate hard it vanishes. and also i feel the pickup will be little bit reduced that time and heat will be formed near the fuel tank. Is this common behavior when engone is heated?

Yes, it's kinda common. Move to better oils from the stock 10w30 oils that is usually poured in at the SVC. You can use 10w40, 15w40 and 20w40 oils comfortably without worrying about impact on engine life. Just avoid fully synthetic versions. Also, get tappets adjusted using a feeler gauge at 0.10 mm.

Replied inline in bold.

**CodeEvo** · 03-16-2017, 11:40 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Yes, avoid overfilling. Follow the manual while filling oil. 1100 ml is the MAX one can put during normal oil changed (if the clutch case isn't opened)

What is the required filling when it comes to oil after engine overhaul.

**Divya Sharan** · 03-16-2017, 11:49 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by CodeEvo View Post

What is the required filling when it comes to oil after engine overhaul.

1350 odd ml. Park the bike on main stand, fill in 1100 ml first, then top up using dipstick readings.

**kabir848** · 03-19-2017, 10:28 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

what have they done to Karizma ?
they have messed it up , did they upgrade it ? , no , they downgraded it
I wanted to buy this , but now ...
what to do ,
they have messed up CBZ also , what to do ?

**Krishna3450** · 03-20-2017, 09:36 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by kabir848 View Post

what have they done to Karizma ?
they have messed it up , did they upgrade it ? , no , they downgraded it
I wanted to buy this , but now ...
what to do ,
they have messed up CBZ also , what to do ?

Option 1: buy used xtreme/karizma
2: buy new xtreme sports and shell out extra money to buy the old visor, side panels, tail light and necessary clamps and you have the old cbz xtreme. The engine idling sound can also be changed by replacing the new camshaft with old model.

**CodeEvo** · 03-21-2017, 03:33 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Hey Guys,

Just got the bike on Saturday and its as good as new, went for a long ride and the revs are amazing now smooth gears,here's a few pics.

**Traveller01** · 03-29-2017, 01:24 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Guys need some information, today someone broke the glass of instrumental console of my friend's ZMR. Really sad incident, don't know why people do this? Now the question is can we replace the glass cover of the speedometer display or the whole console is to be replaced? How much is the price?

**veryhiphop** · 03-29-2017, 11:04 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Traveller01 View Post

Guys need some information, today someone broke the glass of instrumental console of my friend's ZMR. Really sad incident, don't know why people do this? Now the question is can we replace the glass cover of the speedometer display or the whole console is to be replaced? How much is the price?

check with your SVC for the parts...may be outer body of console is available....

**monisab2003** · 03-29-2017, 11:17 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Our forum is really a great stable for ZMR owners and almost anything related to ZMR are found here. Thanks to everyone for building such a strong database.

Now coming to my issue, I had a trip from Chennai to Bangalore on this weekend, while returning and when I was half a kilometre away from my home, noticed the PGM Fi started blinking. (2long 1 short), the light stayed on continously when throttle input was given, and blinked when kept idle. Though, engine was running without issues and so I reached my home safely. Next day after surfing in our beloved forum, got to know that there is an issue with Lambda Sensor. On observing my ZMR, I noticed that the wire was cut and was dangling there. I stilled used the bike in the same condition today and thought of fixing it in the evening.
Here comes the twist of the tale, with lambda sensor disconnected, I have observed the following changes in my ride.

1. RTMI figures went up by minimum of 10-15 kmpl for every RPM - gear relations than the normal observation. Ex. @65kmph, RTMI was 70 kmpl
2. Throttle response at low end was better and smoother idling.
3. No change in engine heat dissipation level (remains same as when lambda was connected)

Note: Rimula R3 is currently doing the duty and these above changes are observed after 1800 kms with Rimula R3, a long ride (780kms) and lambda sensor got disconnected.

Now I am wondering whether I need to connect back the sensor or to keep it as such.
[MENTION=41586]Divya Sharan[/MENTION], [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] sir, [MENTION=27501]rreneav1987[/MENTION] any suggestions?

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