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**ashwinprakas** · 02-02-2013, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Whoa! 100 kmph in 3rd? What was the tacho reading at that point of time? I simply don't have the balls to rev the nuts out of the bike in this fashion.

I have no clue, the image is a very old one, I had posted the image along with all details in the ZMA thread but xPolice deleted it saying that I was promoting rash riding, heck! when Quarts and above post something like this, its an achievement, but when a regular Desi biker does so its provocative.

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Which software did you use to check this speed?? Nokia mobile I guess.. right?? Please tell me the Name of the software or application and also let me know if it will work with Nokia N8

I think the app's name is GTx something, its the full version, you can download it from any s60 forum. And I've used the same on S60v3, S60v5 and S^3 so am sure it would work for your phone as well.

**rreneav1987** · 02-02-2013, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

I have no clue, the image is a very old one, I had posted the image along with all details in the ZMA thread but xPolice deleted it saying that I was promoting rash riding, heck! when Quarts and above post something like this, its an achievement, but when a regular Desi biker does so its provocative.

Well.. I have achieved 100kmph on the 3rd gear.. but on 4th gear.. it doesn't go above 120kmph and 5th gear max i was able to achieve was 133kmph and that too because of the sprocket mod.. else 129kmph was the max speed..

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

I think the app's name is GTx something, its the full version, you can download it from any s60 forum. And I've used the same on S60v3, S60v5 and S^3 so am sure it would work for your phone as well.

yup... got it.. purchased it and downloaded.. lol.. i will test it soon

Thanks a lot

**ashwinprakas** · 02-02-2013, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Well.. I have achieved 100kmph on the 3rd gear.. but on 4th gear.. it doesn't go above 120kmph and 5th gear max i was able to achieve was 133kmph and that too because of the sprocket mod.. else 129kmph was the max speed..

With stock tires I've faced varying degrees of speedo errors, but they seem to have vanished after upsizing. So maybe 130k in my ZMA migth be 120k in your ZMR, just a possibility.

And I have a non-stock intake setup, where the free flow filter is bolted onto carb. In stock Karizma the torque is so much that after crossing 8.5k bike feels like its about to explode, but with a free flow setup the torque is shifted way up, meaning at 8.5k I only feel strain which I used to feel in 6k. And it also enables me to hit the hard limiter effortlessly.

yup... got it.. purchased it and downloaded.. lol.. i will test it soon

Thanks a lot

If possible try to test it on an older Symbian, cause I do recall slight variations with S60v5 and S^3. Or it might just be the difference in phones HW quality.

**abhi7013** · 02-02-2013, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by vishnurajanme View Post

"I attained a top of 129kmph"

I nowhere attain that speed in my bike bro...

Maximum it goes upto 120 in a 1km drag Is it coz of the filter? What filter you use? Have you done any ecu remappings? Whats the mileage of your angel?

It was due to the filter bro. Cause in stock, i used to struggle to take it above 120-122kmph. No ecu re-mappings. Mileage is 44kmpl. The route i take to coll is 30% city and 70% highway. Since majority is highway and my mileage is 44kmpl when last calculated, the mileage figure has dropped. But since 44kmpl is difficult to attain by other >200cc bikes, i can live with that figure. But never got below 40kmpl!! Regarding filter, the mech told me to avoid k&n and green brand, the reason for which i've mentioned a few hundred pages back!! He strongly suggested cosworth and simota. I went for simota.

Divya bro: In 3rd gear i've easily managed 92kmph without revving the bike like mad. If i had then am pretty sure it would have done 100 in 3rd gear. Shall see tomorrow! Also my 0-60 time is also less (dunno the exact seconds) cause in 4-5 secs i was at 78kmph (while counting the seconds in my mind!! lol!!).. I still need to come up with a fool proof way to calculate it. Regarding the advantage of filter, its just the sound. Also (dunno if its psychology speaking) i find more pull in the bike. Lets see l8r!

Been using simota for almost a year i guess with no hitches. Also the burning smell was coming due to oil leaking from the cylinder head and falling on the hot exhaust pipe. Leakege is not severe so the mech told me to visit him after 3-4 days..

**rreneav1987** · 02-02-2013, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post

It was due to the filter bro. Cause in stock, i used to struggle to take it above 120-122kmph. No ecu re-mappings. Mileage is 44kmpl. The route i take to coll is 30% city and 70% highway. Since majority is highway and my mileage is 44kmpl when last calculated, the mileage figure has dropped. But since 44kmpl is difficult to attain by other >200cc bikes, i can live with that figure. But never got below 40kmpl!! Regarding filter, the mech told me to avoid k&n and green brand, the reason for which i've mentioned a few hundred pages back!! He strongly suggested cosworth and simota. I went for simota.

Divya bro: In 3rd gear i've easily managed 92kmph without revving the bike like mad. If i had then am pretty sure it would have done 100 in 3rd gear. Shall see tomorrow! Also my 0-60 time is also less (dunno the exact seconds) cause in 4-5 secs i was at 78kmph (while counting the seconds in my mind!! lol!!).. I still need to come up with a fool proof way to calculate it. Regarding the advantage of filter, its just the sound. Also (dunno if its psychology speaking) i find more pull in the bike. Lets see l8r!

Been using simota for almost a year i guess with no hitches. Also the burning smell was coming due to oil leaking from the cylinder head and falling on the hot exhaust pipe. Leakege is not severe so the mech told me to visit him after 3-4 days..

Well.. Free flow filters are good.. but I am just worried about the filtering.. is it going to filter the air intake as good as the Stock?? and another thing I started hating is the noise after the filter change.. I liked it for a couple of months and then started missing the noise free ZMR

so i changed back to stock filters.. Can you tell me how the UNI filters are?? is it available for online purchase?? else tell me more about Simota

and is it available for purchase online?? pls let me know the cost too.. if its out of budget.. might not even try to go for it as i need to save money for an upcoming Bike Tour

**Divya Sharan** · 02-02-2013, 11:09 PM

Ok guys with the new Hero ZMR, are the brakes from Nissin or Bybre? Need to know this because I read in TBHP that new Hero ZMA comes with Bybre brakes!
And if its true, I'm getting them ASAP!

**vishnurajanme** · 02-02-2013, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post

It was due to the filter bro. Cause in stock, i used to struggle to take it above 120-122kmph. No ecu re-mappings. Mileage is 44kmpl. The route i take to coll is 30% city and 70% highway. Since majority is highway and my mileage is 44kmpl when last calculated, the mileage figure has dropped. But since 44kmpl is difficult to attain by other >200cc bikes, i can live with that figure. But never got below 40kmpl!! Regarding filter, the mech told me to avoid k&n and green brand, the reason for which i've mentioned a few hundred pages back!! He strongly suggested cosworth and simota. I went for simota.

Divya bro: In 3rd gear i've easily managed 92kmph without revving the bike like mad. If i had then am pretty sure it would have done 100 in 3rd gear. Shall see tomorrow! Also my 0-60 time is also less (dunno the exact seconds) cause in 4-5 secs i was at 78kmph (while counting the seconds in my mind!! lol!!).. I still need to come up with a fool proof way to calculate it. Regarding the advantage of filter, its just the sound. Also (dunno if its psychology speaking) i find more pull in the bike. Lets see l8r!

Been using simota for almost a year i guess with no hitches. Also the burning smell was coming due to oil leaking from the cylinder head and falling on the hot exhaust pipe. Leakege is not severe so the mech told me to visit him after 3-4 days..

Thanks for the rep bro. I am going for a simota then. Whats d price?

**rreneav1987** · 02-02-2013, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Ok guys with the new Hero ZMR, are the brakes from Nissin or Bybre? Need to know this because I read in TBHP that new Hero ZMA comes with Bybre brakes!
And if its true, I'm getting them ASAP!

Gonna change the complete brake assembly or what?? what would be the cost of it in that case???

**psr** · 02-02-2013, 11:34 PM

@ ALL those who enjoy revving your engine to red line or near it in each gear, be aware that you will not only be straining the bore and piston, but the Timing chain,sprocket,cam,Flat shoe lifters,Crankshaft and their bearings. It is better to accelerate slowly and use the engine at less than 80 % of it's Red line RPM ,IF you want the engine to last......otherwise go ahead and wring the throttle........
@ Divya Sharan....if you are going to change the stock Nissin with Bybre, please do give the old Nissin unit to me, I will pay for it..

**rreneav1987** · 02-02-2013, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

@ ALL those who enjoy revving your engine to red line or near it in each gear, be aware that you will not only be straining the bore and piston, but the Timing chain,sprocket,cam,Flat shoe lifters,Crankshaft and their bearings. It is better to accelerate slowly and use the engine at less than 80 % of it's Red line RPM ,IF you want the engine to last......otherwise go ahead and wring the throttle........

@PSR.. buddy.. i don't do that often but yes. you are right.. its gonna definitely spoil the engine life.. what is a flat shoe lifter?? thats a new word to me

**psr** · 02-02-2013, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

@PSR.. buddy.. i don't do that often but yes. you are right.. its gonna definitely spoil the engine life.. what is a flat shoe lifter?? thats a new word to me

Nothing but a technical jargon to differentiate between a old design Rocker unit with flat shoe contact area of the Rocker arm/lifter.... as compared to roller type in new designs....
here is a picture of a flat shoe lifter/rocker arm....

Here is a Picture of a Roller Rocker arm/lifter ...

**ashwinprakas** · 02-03-2013, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Well.. Free flow filters are good.. but I am just worried about the filtering.. is it going to filter the air intake as good as the Stock?? and another thing I started hating is the noise after the filter change.. I liked it for a couple of months and then started missing the noise free ZMR

so i changed back to stock filters.. Can you tell me how the UNI filters are?? is it available for online purchase?? else tell me more about Simota

and is it available for purchase online?? pls let me know the cost too.. if its out of budget.. might not even try to go for it as i need to save money for an upcoming Bike Tour

Costed me 2.xk, but I've heard that it can be sourced for 1.6~1.8k as well depending on seller. Just check ebay.

And best of all its dual stage

About filtration, I've has a Cosworth before,

It was good but the filtration was lower than stock, cause after around 5k with stock filter setup, when we wipe carb mouth we can see a small layer of yellowish residue, but with the Cosworth the residue was more brownish, which I believe is due to more dirt entering. Now coming to the UNI, the only residue I found after around 5~6k kms was a greenish brown sticky residue, which I believe is the residue from the excess oiling I've done using Castrol 2T which itself is green.

The advantages of using a free flow is that you can shift torque up the rev range and hence reduce stress on the engine components which I believe is a boon for people who like to live in the redline, now the disadvantage is that you loose low end torque, while gaining on top end performance. Meaning you cant expect to take it below 30k in 5th gear without lugging, currently after upsizing the slowest I've done is 2~2.5k in final gear while riding at night, due to poor visibility, and with pillion I can keep it at 2.5~3k in traffic, anything less and I have to downshift to 3rd to prevent bike from lugging, though many people find lugging ok, I'm not comfortable with straining the engine like that, and once it starts to lug its a sure thing that it will soon start knocking when you slow down even further.

**psr** · 02-03-2013, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

The advantages of using a free flow is that you can shift torque up the rev range and hence reduce stress on the engine components which I believe is a boon for people who like to live in the redline, now the disadvantage is that you loose low end torque, while gaining on top end performance. Meaning you cant expect to take it below 30k in 5th gear without lugging, currently after upsizing the slowest I've done is 2~2.5k in final gear while riding at night, due to poor visibility, and with pillion I can keep it at 2.5~3k in traffic, anything less and I have to downshift to 3rd to prevent bike from lugging, though many people find lugging ok, I'm not comfortable with straining the engine like that, and once it starts to lug its a sure thing that it will soon start knocking when you slow down even further.

You never fail to teach me with surprising details....thanks once again...

**ashwinprakas** · 02-03-2013, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by psr View Post

You never fail to teach me with surprising details....thanks once again...

Well what can I say thats how I felt, infact not me alone Vishak bro, Aneesh bro etc have ridden it and felt the same, I remember Vishak bro saying that the bike does rev more freely(At the time bike was running on stock jets.), and once I also remember Dilip bro telling me that the bike lacked initial.

**rreneav1987** · 02-03-2013, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

Costed me 2.xk, but I've heard that it can be sourced for 1.6~1.8k as well depending on seller. Just check ebay.

And best of all its dual stage

About filtration, I've has a Cosworth before,

It was good but the filtration was lower than stock, cause after around 5k with stock filter setup, when we wipe carb mouth we can see a small layer of yellowish residue, but with the Cosworth the residue was more brownish, which I believe is due to more dirt entering. Now coming to the UNI, the only residue I found after around 5~6k kms was a greenish brown sticky residue, which I believe is the residue from the excess oiling I've done using Castrol 2T which itself is green.

The advantages of using a free flow is that you can shift torque up the rev range and hence reduce stress on the engine components which I believe is a boon for people who like to live in the redline, now the disadvantage is that you loose low end torque, while gaining on top end performance. Meaning you cant expect to take it below 30k in 5th gear without lugging, currently after upsizing the slowest I've done is 2~2.5k in final gear while riding at night, due to poor visibility, and with pillion I can keep it at 2.5~3k in traffic, anything less and I have to downshift to 3rd to prevent bike from lugging, though many people find lugging ok, I'm not comfortable with straining the engine like that, and once it starts to lug its a sure thing that it will soon start knocking when you slow down even further.

Thank you for the reply.. But when you say we end up losing Low End Torque, does it mean we lose the overall avg too in city riding conditions??

if better top end, Does it mean reaching the max speeds in each at lower RPM when compared to stock filters??? or do you mean to say the bike touches higher RPM compared to Stock Filters and hence better top end?? just asking out of curiosity as I did a sprocket mod and noticed that better speed at lower RPM... Which means less strain to the engine at pretty decent speed.
Say when I had the stock sprockets I topped 129kmph @ somewhere around 8500RPM and after I changed the sprocket to 36 teeth of P220 the top speed was 133kmph @ 8500RPM..

also tried changing the gears at 5000RPM and noticed that before and after speeds were of +5kmph difference at the same RPM.. this would mean less strain to the engine at attaining a speed of +5kmph when compared to the stock sprockets.. correct me if I am wrong.. I just have a theoretical knowledge

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