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**ashwinprakas** · 02-03-2013, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Thank you for the reply.. But when you say we end up losing Low End Torque, does it mean we lose the overall avg too in city riding conditions??

If you keep your right hand in control you wont. With stock intake you feel the thump at 3k+ RPM but with a free flow intake thump starts a little over 5k+ RPM. So unless you're keeping a watch on the tacho, you will rev more than needed and in turn burn excess fuel.

if better top end, Does it mean reaching the max speeds in each at lower RPM when compared to stock filters??? or do you mean to say the bike touches higher RPM compared to Stock Filters and hence better top end?? just asking out of curiosity as I did a sprocket mod and noticed that better speed at lower RPM... Which means less strain to the engine at pretty decent speed.

No bro, try revving the crap out of the engine in first gear with both stock intake and free flow intake. In stock after 6k RPM it starts to get scary, and at close to 8k RPM it feels like the engine will blow up any moment. But with a free flow intake it revs freely till 8k and only after that it starts to get scary. Hope you get the point.

And about the mileage, I get around 50kmpl when I ride her sanely and around 30kmpl when I rip the crap out of her.

Say when I had the stock sprockets I topped 129kmph @ somewhere around 8500RPM and after I changed the sprocket to 36 teeth of P220 the top speed was 133kmph @ 8500RPM..

also tried changing the gears at 5000RPM and noticed that before and after speeds were of +5kmph difference at the same RPM.. this would mean less strain to the engine at attaining a speed of +5kmph when compared to the stock sprockets.. correct me if I am wrong.. I just have a theoretical knowledge

Cant say thats relaxed, cause at lower revs and while cracking open the throttle it put excess load on the internals.

EDIT->

Even at 8k+ the bike's vibration free. My regular pillion was the one to point it out cause pre mod, when he rests his foot there, when I crack open the throttle his feet would start to feel tinglish, but post mod, the vibes completely vanished according to him. This too I believe is due to the torque being reduced by the mod.

**Divya Sharan** · 02-03-2013, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

@ Divya Sharan....if you are going to change the stock Nissin with Bybre, please do give the old Nissin unit to me, I will pay for it..

Ok, another noob-ish question. Aren't Bybre brakes better in terms of bite? I mean, its a Brembo's sister after all!

**vishnurajanme** · 02-03-2013, 05:18 PM

Hi ashwin,

Do you own a ZMR or a ZMA? Cos my friend told me free flow airfilters are not good on the ZMR, but best for ZMA coz of the PGMFI system on ZMR

**ashwinprakas** · 02-03-2013, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by vishnurajanme View Post

Hi ashwin,

Do you own a ZMR or a ZMA? Cos my friend told me free flow airfilters are not good on the ZMR, but best for ZMA coz of the PGMFI system on ZMR

Mines a ZMA,
And I dont think it'd be much of an issue to use a free flow filter on a ZMR, especially since it has PGMFi.

The peculiarity of Honda's PGMFi is that it runs a closed loop at idle & WOT and runs an open loop in between. Meaning bike will run leaner(This is without considering the 10~15% tollerance.) after idle and before WOT i.e run a preset map, which in turn in good for acceleration, cause the leaner the mill, quicker the acceleration. Now coming back to the closed loop part, you wont face any starting/idling issues cause it runs a closed loop at idle meaning it will take reading from sensors and decide AFR, and also you wont face issues while touring at high speeds for long, cause with the throttle at WOT, the closed loop kicks in it adjust AFR based on sensor readings.

I learnt about this after googling PGMFi, was real curious why PGMFi's such a big thing and after researching about it, I do agree that its one gem of a tech.

**vishnurajanme** · 02-03-2013, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

Mines a ZMA,
And I dont think it'd be much of an issue to use a free flow filter on a ZMR, especially since it has PGMFi.

The peculiarity of Honda's PGMFi is that it runs a closed loop at idle & WOT and runs an open loop in between. Meaning bike will run leaner(This is without considering the 10~15% tollerance.) after idle and before WOT i.e run a preset map, which in turn in good for acceleration, cause the leaner the mill, quicker the acceleration. Now coming back to the closed loop part, you wont face any starting/idling issues cause it runs a closed loop at idle meaning it will take reading from sensors and decide AFR, and also you wont face issues while touring at high speeds for long, cause with the throttle at WOT, the closed loop kicks in it adjust AFR based on sensor readings.

I learnt about this after googling PGMFi, was real curious why PGMFi's such a big thing and after researching about it, I do agree that its one gem of a tech.

Thanks for the rep bro. ALso, what is WOT? Also, which z d best filter I can connect? Is there a model number for the filter? My friend uses K&N R1100 on his ZMA. Thats d only filter I knw

**ashwinprakas** · 02-03-2013, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by vishnurajanme View Post

Thanks for the rep bro. ALso, what is WOT? Also, which z d best filter I can connect? Is there a model number for the filter? My friend uses K&N R1100 on his ZMA. Thats d only filter I knw

Wide Open Throttle.

Personally I'd recommend UNI.
Heres the details of the model.

UNI Filter UP-4200AST
2 Stage Pod (Angled)
2" ID x 4" HGT

**rreneav1987** · 02-03-2013, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

Wide Open Throttle.

Personally I'd recommend UNI.
Heres the details of the model.

UNI Filter UP-4200AST
2 Stage Pod (Angled)
2" ID x 4" HGT

Yup.. Its not only you Ashwin.. even many others recommended UNI.. thats why I kept asking you about UNI over PM

well.. I am not able to find the proper UNI filter online.. I might have to research around Karol Bagh in Delhi.. Hope I would find a genuine seller

else if its easily available in ur place.. you can help me get it and I can pay for the shipping and the Filter.. Again depends upon the budget

by the way.. I am unable to PM you.. got an error saying that your inbox is full..

**vishnurajanme** · 02-03-2013, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

Wide Open Throttle.

Personally I'd recommend UNI.
Heres the details of the model.

UNI Filter UP-4200AST
2 Stage Pod (Angled)
2" ID x 4" HGT

Hi, bro I found out this..

Uni Filter UP-123 1/2 Push-In Breather | eBay
Will this do the work? I cant find the exact part number u told

**rreneav1987** · 02-03-2013, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by vishnurajanme View Post

Hi, bro I found out this..

Uni Filter UP-123 1/2 Push-In Breather | eBay
Will this do the work? I cant find the exact part number u told

Nope.. thats not gona do the work..

Just a moment...

https://www.denniskirk.com/305043.sku?utm_source=shopping&utm_medium=cse

This is the one.. but this is not available in Ebay I guess.. I gotta check once again

**rreneav1987** · 02-03-2013, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by vishnurajanme View Post

Hi, bro I found out this..

Uni Filter UP-123 1/2 Push-In Breather | eBay
Will this do the work? I cant find the exact part number u told

Found this one.. i guess its the cheapest we can get.. Import from US..

UNI Filter UP-4229AST 2-Stage Pod Style Air Filter

Costs you $15.95 and then shipping and Handing will cost you $16.15 and in total it will cost you $32.10 = Rs. 1706.77

Best part of this deal is.. its going to be original import from USA

I am planning to go for it..

What say Ashwin?? Divya Sharan bro.. your suggestions pls!!

**vishnurajanme** · 02-03-2013, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Found this one.. i guess its the cheapest we can get.. Import from US..

UNI Filter UP-4229AST 2-Stage Pod Style Air Filter

Costs you $15.95 and then shipping and Handing will cost you $16.15 and in total it will cost you $32.10 = Rs. 1706.77

Best part of this deal is.. its going to be original import from USA

I am planning to go for it..

What say Ashwin?? Divya Sharan bro.. your suggestions pls!!

"For use on motorcycles, ATVs, go-carts, snowmobiles, air compressors, tractors and anything with a carburetor"

Shall I make it final?

**vishnurajanme** · 02-03-2013, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Found this one.. i guess its the cheapest we can get.. Import from US..

UNI Filter UP-4229AST 2-Stage Pod Style Air Filter

Costs you $15.95 and then shipping and Handing will cost you $16.15 and in total it will cost you $32.10 = Rs. 1706.77

Best part of this deal is.. its going to be original import from USA

I am planning to go for it..

What say Ashwin?? Divya Sharan bro.. your suggestions pls!!

Also bro, abt this one...

Price: $15.95
Retail: $18.99
You Save: $3.04
This item is in stock

Its retail price is $18.99 and we are gonna get it for 18.99-3.04 = 15.95

ie, $ 15.95 s the final price

**rreneav1987** · 02-03-2013, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by vishnurajanme View Post

"For use on motorcycles, ATVs, go-carts, snowmobiles, air compressors, tractors and anything with a carburetor"

Shall I make it final?

I am waiting for divya Sharan bro or Ashwin bro to suggest.. as far as I know.. the UNI filters are not less than 2000/- in India.. but again.. i would suggest you also to wait for their suggestion

**ashwinprakas** · 02-03-2013, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by vishnurajanme View Post

Hi, bro I found out this..

Uni Filter UP-123 1/2 Push-In Breather | eBay
Will this do the work? I cant find the exact part number u told

Thats a breather filter, I got a custom one made for 250/-.

And guys, dont wait for anyone's approval, if you feel its apt then go ahead

Just keep in mind, that you can use any model as long as you get the flange ID correct. And guys who're looking for cheaper alternative, let me know, I can introduce you to a guy, who makes custom filters.

**rreneav1987** · 02-03-2013, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

Thats a breather filter, I got a custom one made for 250/-.

And guys, dont wait for anyone's approval, if you feel its apt then go ahead

Just keep in mind, that you can use any model as long as you get the flange ID correct. And guys who're looking for cheaper alternative, let me know, I can introduce you to a guy, who makes custom filters.

what does the Breather filter do??

Man.. you have done so many things with your bike

but thats cool.. are they the roots horn??

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