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  • Almost every time I fill the tank when the bar blinks and not only that but I even ride upto 15-20 kms or even sometimes 35-40 kms when its blinking. Cause my college is about 15-20 kms one way and when it blinks am forced to do that stretch to my coll as there are no reliable bunks on the way. 2 yrs and 3 months and for 27k kms am doing this and my bike never showed any issues related to fuel pump. So me wondering how the problem occurs in low fuel conditions. Not only me but a friend who owns a white one follows the same as me when it comes to fuelling up and he rides abt 50 kms when it starts blinking which I agree is risky as engine may go off due to low or no fuel in tank. So I don't think low fuel is such a serious problem that it would make the pump go kaput
    ZMR- PGMFI re-defined

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    • Originally posted by rockyec78 View Post
      I dont understand why these guys make their own rules. That service book dont say that i should have availed all free services i order to claim the warranty. That book only insists on getting paid services done at regular interval. Although i tried a lot with him and he has told me to contact him the next day, he will see whether he can get it done under warranty or not. I am not expecting much but i am hopeful.
      That's pretty much the rule. Actually, one should get all periodic services done in time to avail warranty (free + paid).
      Having a good rapport or contacts higher in the hierarchy helps. Try contacting a different SVC.

      Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post
      Almost every time I fill the tank when the bar blinks and not only that but I even ride upto 15-20 kms or even sometimes 35-40 kms when its blinking. Cause my college is about 15-20 kms one way and when it blinks am forced to do that stretch to my coll as there are no reliable bunks on the way. 2 yrs and 3 months and for 27k kms am doing this and my bike never showed any issues related to fuel pump. So me wondering how the problem occurs in low fuel conditions. Not only me but a friend who owns a white one follows the same as me when it comes to fuelling up and he rides abt 50 kms when it starts blinking which I agree is risky as engine may go off due to low or no fuel in tank. So I don't think low fuel is such a serious problem that it would make the pump go kaput
      The point here is, the fuel pump must at all times be submerged in petrol. If the fuel indicator blinks, its an approximate figure of 3.5 odd litres in the tank and that the pump is just submerged. Its advisable to keep the fuel level so much that the pump is never exposed out of fuel. Else, it may go bunk!
      Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
      Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

      Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
      Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
      ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
      P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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      • Originally posted by rockyec78 View Post
        Thanks for the suggestions guys.

        As i mentioned earlier, i have given bike at Pratham Motors, Pune for resolving the issue. So there my bike is being serviced by their so called Sr. Supervisor (whose face always bears a look telling you "Hey who are you and why are you talking to me? Anyways i know too much and i wont be helping you.").
        The first time i called him up to know what is the problem in the bike, he replied that fuel pump is dead, fuel pump has shorted, water has ingressed and we will need to change fuel pump which will come in 15+ days and will cost around 14k. I wasnt aware of the exact working of the fuel system of ZMR, so it was difficult for me to understand what he was telling. So i went through forum, and found some good threads to get understanding of the system.

        Today, I went to SVC tomeet him personally to know what has happened exactly and what action has to be taken. So i asked him to check a few things as mentioned by you guys. Also my friend asked him if the fuel pump is damaged then how is the bike starting after waiting for few minutes. After this he started throwing attitude and tantrums. He wanted that as we all know more than him i should take the bike away and etc. As expected he was not very helpful. Then i waited for him to come back to normal and again asked what the problem is. This time he says the windings are getting heated and thats why the ignition is switching off after driving 3-4 kilometers. This is something different what he told me over phone. The first thing i insured that my bike still starting as i was in doubt with their commitment for servicing the bike.

        Since he is reluctant to look into the suggestions given by you and only saying that fuel pump has gone bad (shorting or winding heating), i tried that can he get that replaced in warranty as it is only 1 year and 9 months old. So i asked him for covering this thing under warranty. In turn he asks me to show the service book of bike. i hand it over to him. He starts flipping the pages randomly, then find one page where the date of purchase is mentioned, gives it a very "deeply thinking" look, does some calculation in mind, does some maths also (probably), one more SVC guy joins him...... he also does some calculation and finally tells me that i cannot claim warrant as i have not availed 5th and 6th service. PERIOD.

        I dont understand why these guys make their own rules. That service book dont say that i should have availed all free services i order to claim the warranty. That book only insists on getting paid services done at regular interval. Although i tried a lot with him and he has told me to contact him the next day, he will see whether he can get it done under warranty or not. I am not expecting much but i am hopeful.

        I am thinking that if they dont cover it in warranty then can you guys tell me any alternative svc or garage where i can get my bike checked??
        Like Divya said... those are the rules to avail warranty.. I am still not sure whether its the issue with the Fuel Pump.. I feel bad to say this.. but I have run in empty tank many times.. but never faced issues with the Fuel Pump.. Touch Wood.. if possible.. get you bike outta there and go to another service center.. and speak with the works manager and not the so called Sr. Supervisor as they are nothing but losers who think they know everything but dono anything.. spending 14K in 2 years is hell lot of money.. so firstly check the Ignition Coil, if not get them to service the Fuel Pump as it was done a couple of times for me on demand to do.. if that doesn't solve it.. you will have no other choice but to spend some money if they are not ready to do it in warranty.. why don't you speak with the manager over there and butter him??
        Splendor - 2k to 2006
        Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
        P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
        Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
        ZMR - 2010 to Forever
        RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
        Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
        RayZ - 2015 til now
        Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


        Delhi to Narkanda
        Delhi to Coimbatore
        Delhi to Nepal

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        • Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
          Like Divya said... those are the rules to avail warranty.. I am still not sure whether its the issue with the Fuel Pump.. I feel bad to say this.. but I have run in empty tank many times.. but never faced issues with the Fuel Pump.. Touch Wood.. if possible.. get you bike outta there and go to another service center.. and speak with the works manager and not the so called Sr. Supervisor as they are nothing but losers who think they know everything but dono anything.. spending 14K in 2 years is hell lot of money.. so firstly check the Ignition Coil, if not get them to service the Fuel Pump as it was done a couple of times for me on demand to do.. if that doesn't solve it.. you will have no other choice but to spend some money if they are not ready to do it in warranty.. why don't you speak with the manager over there and butter him??
          Thanks for the advice.

          As for the warranty, only lucky ones get the opportunity to avail it and the blessed one avails successfully. Actually in the first year, my odo couldnt meet the criteria of 5th and 6th free service, so thats why they remain unavailed but the first four free services i got the bike as per their recommended schedule. And after 1 yr period i have been availing paid services as required/recommended by their service schedule. Anyways i will try the suggestions for getting the things done in my favor.

          And ultimately i they want me to get the fuel pump changed, then i just want to know from guys from Pune, if they know any good place (Authorised SVC other than Pratham motors or any garage) where i can get the basic things checked before changing the pump???

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          • Did you really go to a Hero SVC or did you accidentally step into a Ducati outlet?

            I never maintained a correct service interval with SVC due to a tight college schedule and yet had my Cylinder kit and Tensioner(Multiple times) replaced under warranty. Just try another SVC, and am sure they'll sort it out for you.
            Motorcycling Experience:
            2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
            2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
            2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
            2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
            2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
            2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

            The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
            Adios Comrades!
            A.P. 2018

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            • Originally posted by rockyec78 View Post
              Thanks for the advice.

              As for the warranty, only lucky ones get the opportunity to avail it and the blessed one avails successfully. Actually in the first year, my odo couldnt meet the criteria of 5th and 6th free service, so thats why they remain unavailed but the first four free services i got the bike as per their recommended schedule. And after 1 yr period i have been availing paid services as required/recommended by their service schedule. Anyways i will try the suggestions for getting the things done in my favor.

              And ultimately i they want me to get the fuel pump changed, then i just want to know from guys from Pune, if they know any good place (Authorised SVC other than Pratham motors or any garage) where i can get the basic things checked before changing the pump???
              Check it out here.. choose Authorized Service Center and then choose your State and City.. A list will come up.. Hope it helps and don't worry.. butter up the Manager and everything will go smooth
              Splendor - 2k to 2006
              Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
              P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
              Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
              ZMR - 2010 to Forever
              RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
              Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
              RayZ - 2015 til now
              Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


              Delhi to Narkanda
              Delhi to Coimbatore
              Delhi to Nepal

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              • Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
                Check it out here.. Hero Bikes Dealers, Distributors and Service Centre in India – Hero MotoCorp Ltd. choose Authorized Service Center and then choose your State and City.. A list will come up.. Hope it helps and don't worry.. butter up the Manager and everything will go smooth
                Thanks for the link, I just discovered a Hero ASS in my locality which I beleve no one has ever heard of before. Its a good thing that they have subdivided it, its easier to differentiate from retailers and ass.
                Motorcycling Experience:
                2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                Adios Comrades!
                A.P. 2018

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                • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                  Thanks for the link, I just discovered a Hero ASS in my locality which I beleve no one has ever heard of before. Its a good thing that they have subdivided it, its easier to differentiate from retailers and ass.
                  Thats how I found the nearest Service Center to my Place Glad it helped you out
                  Splendor - 2k to 2006
                  Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
                  P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
                  Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
                  ZMR - 2010 to Forever
                  RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
                  Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
                  RayZ - 2015 til now
                  Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


                  Delhi to Narkanda
                  Delhi to Coimbatore
                  Delhi to Nepal

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                  • Originally posted by rockyec78 View Post
                    Thanks for the advice.

                    As for the warranty, only lucky ones get the opportunity to avail it and the blessed one avails successfully. Actually in the first year, my odo couldnt meet the criteria of 5th and 6th free service, so thats why they remain unavailed but the first four free services i got the bike as per their recommended schedule. And after 1 yr period i have been availing paid services as required/recommended by their service schedule. Anyways i will try the suggestions for getting the things done in my favor.

                    And ultimately i they want me to get the fuel pump changed, then i just want to know from guys from Pune, if they know any good place (Authorised SVC other than Pratham motors or any garage) where i can get the basic things checked before changing the pump???
                    One must take the bike to service if it crosses xx kms or yy days whichever comes earlier. In your case, the yy days would have crossed, hence you should have taken it for service bro.

                    Anyways, locate a different ASC from the link that Reneav mentioned and try talking to them.
                    Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                    Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                    Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                    Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                    ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                    P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                    • Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                      The point here is, the fuel pump must at all times be submerged in petrol. If the fuel indicator blinks, its an approximate figure of 3.5 odd litres in the tank and that the pump is just submerged. Its advisable to keep the fuel level so much that the pump is never exposed out of fuel. Else, it may go bunk!
                      I don't agree here. The fuel is supplied to the pump via fuel filter through the pipes, nothing is submerged in the tank !!

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                      • Originally posted by rockyec78 View Post
                        Thanks for the suggestions guys.

                        As i mentioned earlier, i have given bike at Pratham Motors, Pune for resolving the issue. So there my bike is being serviced by their so called Sr. Supervisor (whose face always bears a look telling you "Hey who are you and why are you talking to me? Anyways i know too much and i wont be helping you.").
                        The first time i called him up to know what is the problem in the bike, he replied that fuel pump is dead, fuel pump has shorted, water has ingressed and we will need to change fuel pump which will come in 15+ days and will cost around 14k. I wasnt aware of the exact working of the fuel system of ZMR, so it was difficult for me to understand what he was telling. So i went through forum, and found some good threads to get understanding of the system.

                        Today, I went to SVC tomeet him personally to know what has happened exactly and what action has to be taken. So i asked him to check a few things as mentioned by you guys. Also my friend asked him if the fuel pump is damaged then how is the bike starting after waiting for few minutes. After this he started throwing attitude and tantrums. He wanted that as we all know more than him i should take the bike away and etc. As expected he was not very helpful. Then i waited for him to come back to normal and again asked what the problem is. This time he says the windings are getting heated and thats why the ignition is switching off after driving 3-4 kilometers. This is something different what he told me over phone. The first thing i insured that my bike still starting as i was in doubt with their commitment for servicing the bike.

                        Since he is reluctant to look into the suggestions given by you and only saying that fuel pump has gone bad (shorting or winding heating), i tried that can he get that replaced in warranty as it is only 1 year and 9 months old. So i asked him for covering this thing under warranty. In turn he asks me to show the service book of bike. i hand it over to him. He starts flipping the pages randomly, then find one page where the date of purchase is mentioned, gives it a very "deeply thinking" look, does some calculation in mind, does some maths also (probably), one more SVC guy joins him...... he also does some calculation and finally tells me that i cannot claim warrant as i have not availed 5th and 6th service. PERIOD.

                        I dont understand why these guys make their own rules. That service book dont say that i should have availed all free services i order to claim the warranty. That book only insists on getting paid services done at regular interval. Although i tried a lot with him and he has told me to contact him the next day, he will see whether he can get it done under warranty or not. I am not expecting much but i am hopeful.

                        I am thinking that if they dont cover it in warranty then can you guys tell me any alternative svc or garage where i can get my bike checked??
                        Talk to your SVC...and butter them i.e. i always do my services of bike with you...had recommended friends to purchase bike from your showroom ..they will give some nakhraa... but i think they should agree...

                        Mine ZMR never completed the KM mentioned as mentioned in the service voucher...so i just get it service as the day crosses as per the service voucher.....i know that if i miss any service and in case i need to claim any warranty then SVC create a problem...

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                        • Today i seen a Karizma ZMA with a Zapper Q 110 profile tyre at my office parking...and it is looking quiet good ...height too has been increased .....personally i seen the zapper Q in karizma for a first time apart from the images on forum..... i am sure that 110 should gel the ZMR rear as compared to current 100 profile tyre...

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                          • Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
                            I don't agree here. The fuel is supplied to the pump via fuel filter through the pipes, nothing is submerged in the tank !!
                            I guess this is how it is practically.. but y is it that they say the bike should never be in Reserve?? Nowadays I fill the Tank, but prior to this my bike always was in Reserve as I didn't take her out often before I left my BPO job... I mean.. I used to take her out twice a week, but still was always in Reserve.. yet never faced an issue with the Fuel Pump.. Please tell me how it affects the Fuel Pump if the bike is in Reserve.. Theoretically what Divya says can be a reason.. but practically what you are saying is correct.. but still don't understand how this works.. lol.. Dumb Question I guess.. don't laugh at me guys
                            Splendor - 2k to 2006
                            Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
                            P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
                            Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
                            ZMR - 2010 to Forever
                            RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
                            Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
                            RayZ - 2015 til now
                            Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


                            Delhi to Narkanda
                            Delhi to Coimbatore
                            Delhi to Nepal

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                            • Originally posted by rockyec78 View Post
                              ....So i asked him for covering this thing under warranty. In turn he asks me to show the service book of bike. i hand it over to him. He starts flipping the pages randomly, then find one page where the date of purchase is mentioned, gives it a very "deeply thinking" look, does some calculation in mind, does some maths also (probably), one more SVC guy joins him...... he also does some calculation and finally tells me that i cannot claim warrant as i have not availed 5th and 6th service. PERIOD.

                              I dont understand why these guys make their own rules. That service book dont say that i should have availed all free services i order to claim the warranty. That book only insists on getting paid services done at regular interval. Although i tried a lot with him and he has told me to contact him the next day, he will see whether he can get it done under warranty or not. I am not expecting much but i am hopeful.
                              Mostly now I see Bajaj and Hero bikes getting repair out of SVC after free service because these local mechs gets the parts outside or get it from SVC but get the work done nicely and with more responsibility.

                              I don't think warranty only runs with free service schedule/rules. But on all services(Paid) by a SVC only, that too in right schedules(kms/Days).

                              No showroom will give you a warranty if you miss a single service.

                              But still you can talk to few more Showroom. Even these showrooms has to take the charges of replacement from company and if it's not in companies rule/regulation then they have to bare the expense themselves.

                              Did you check the issues with some good local mechs ?
                              Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
                              I don't agree here. The fuel is supplied to the pump via fuel filter through the pipes, nothing is submerged in the tank !!
                              Outside fuel were used in older times...But now most of all the fuel pumps are intank ones. They are more shorter then outer ones and efficient.

                              Can you please verify again that ZMR don't have intank fuel pump ?
                              Last edited by Guest; 03-14-2013, 10:56 AM.

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                              • AFAIK, all modern vehicles have the fuel pump inside the tank. Hence, I thought the same for ZMR as well.

                                These 2 links (directed at cars, but bikes gave similar mechanisms) gave me a brief insight about the fuel pump and fuel relationship.

                                AGCO Automotive Repair Service - Baton Rouge, LA - Detailed Auto Topics - What Causes Fuel Pumps to Fail

                                Running on empty: Low gas in the tank can be costly
                                Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                                Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                                Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                                Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                                ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                                P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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