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**Divya Sharan** · 07-11-2013, 06:59 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by RaajD View Post

Now, the only thing remains to be tested is 10W40 JASO MA 2 grade engine oil.

Here's why I won't put Rimula R3X or R4: Might give you a good feel for a few thousand kilometres after which the damage will be visible (audible as well).

Try Mobil1 10w40 or Gulf Pride 20w40. I know both oils are poles apart but I'd good experience with them both.
And regarding Rimula, how many kms do you think a rider would be happy before he screws his engine?

**antan_shank** · 07-11-2013, 07:22 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post

I have the same problem but mine was a manufacturing defect. What the mech said was that the swing arms are attached to the front body right below the place where the engine is mounted by means of a small rod. This rod is misaligned right from the start and to rectify it, he has to take it to a lathe shop. Else by minor adjustments like hammering, it can be rectified to a certain extent but not fully.

Just look a few pages back bro. I've posted a pic on main stand. See if youe issue is similar. In my case, the wheel is a bit towards the left.

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You are bang on the point... Sorry for ignorance... Can you please tell me the page number...

**Bibhudatta** · 07-11-2013, 09:16 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by RaajD View Post

....come an EBR-tech-based bike, these guys will be like holy asses in meditation!!

LOL.. loved the way you put it...

**abhi7013** · 07-11-2013, 10:45 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by antan_shank View Post

You are bang on the point... Sorry for ignorance... Can you please tell me the page number...

Page 978. Ive attached two pics.

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**Raja Saiyan** · 07-11-2013, 11:00 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Installed Night breaker plus 55/60 will install 20SMD after registration couldn't get much shots due to continuous rainfall

**rreneav1987** · 07-11-2013, 11:05 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Raja Saiyan View Post

Installed Night breaker plus 55/60 will install 20SMD after registration couldn't get much shots due to continuous rainfall

Congrats on your purchase..

ride safe and fly low

i will meet you if I come to Polachi

since its a rainy season.. you gotta be careful..

now its time for me think of a change/upgrade the machine.. planning for a test ride of Duke 390 on Saturday..

and I will wait for Hero to Release their new bike.. so next year.. I will have a new bike in my hand.. maybe on my birthday.. I am gonna have a tough time choosing a new machine..

And no waysss I am selling my Black Pearl.. She will always be all time favorite, a gem & Love at first sight and i will use her for short tours

**Raja Saiyan** · 07-11-2013, 11:26 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

I have been driving ZMR for the past 3 days and I don't at all feel it heavy

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I have been driving ZMR for the past 3 days and I don't at all feel it heavy

**RaajD** · 07-11-2013, 11:28 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Try Mobil1 10w40 or Gulf Pride 20w40. I know both oils are poles apart but I'd good experience with them both.
And regarding Rimula, how many kms do you think a rider would be happy before he screws his engine?

Diesel engine oils have more additives, particularly detergents. They clean the engine; neutralize the acids.....but here's the big BUT. The extra additive meant to the clean soot and combustion byproduct of the diesel engine does a hell lot of harm to a petrol engine. The detergent in the diesel engine oil will of course clean the cylinder walls of your bike but at the same time, it will eat up the seals, rings and anything you can name. On layman's term, it would be like washing your wrinkle-free shirt with our beloved NIRMA washing powder!!

As for your question how long will it take to adversely affect the engine.....let's start the countdown. Btw, any more advanced info, I'll need to check with a collegue of mine who's an expert in automotive engine oils. My knowledge is limited to what I mentioned here

**rreneav1987** · 07-11-2013, 11:56 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by RaajD View Post

Diesel engine oils have more additives, particularly detergents. They clean the engine; neutralize the acids.....but here's the big BUT. The extra additive meant to the clean soot and combustion byproduct of the diesel engine does a hell lot of harm to a petrol engine. The detergent in the diesel engine oil will of course clean the cylinder walls of your bike but at the same time, it will eat up the seals, rings and anything you can name. On layman's term, it would be like washing your wrinkle-free shirt with our beloved NIRMA washing powder!!

As for your question how long will it take to adversely affect the engine.....let's start the countdown. Btw, any more advanced info, I'll need to check with a collegue of mine who's an expert in automotive engine oils. My knowledge is limited to what I mentioned here

[MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] sir... what is your thought to the above quote??

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Originally posted by Raja Saiyan View Post

I have been driving ZMR for the past 3 days and I don't at all feel it heavy

You will only find it heavy when you have to push the bike to the nearest fuel station !!

**Raja Saiyan** · 07-12-2013, 12:02 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

You will only find it heavy when you have to push the bike to the nearest fuel station !!

I wont let that day come

**rreneav1987** · 07-12-2013, 12:07 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Raja Saiyan View Post

I wont let that day come

Touchwood.. I have faced that problem 2 times on my ZMR and once on RX (yesterday)

the last time i used the RX was almost 20 days back.. and filled only 50/- fuel.. yesterday my ZMR let me down so i had to take out the RX.. just after coming out of the society.. bike stalled

so pushed it about 1km early morning..

**Bibhudatta** · 07-12-2013, 12:11 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by RaajD View Post

Now, the only thing remains to be tested is 10W40 JASO MA 2 grade engine oil.

Here's why I won't put Rimula R3X or R4: These are engine oils for diesel engine which are compression-fired and what we have is a petrol engine which is spark-fired. The nature of the oils are different because of the constituents. Might give you a good feel for a few thousand kilometres after which the damage will be visible (audible as well). The other thing is that you can play around the temperature, that is 10W30, the 30 can go up to 40 but the 10 has to remain 10 or less. For example, 5W30, 5W40,10W40, but NOT 15W30 or 15W40 or 20W40. Yeah, it seems tricky like rocket science but that's how it works.

Originally posted by RaajD View Post

Diesel engine oils have more additives, particularly detergents. They clean the engine; neutralize the acids.....but here's the big BUT. The extra additive meant to the clean soot and combustion byproduct of the diesel engine does a hell lot of harm to a petrol engine. The detergent in the diesel engine oil will of course clean the cylinder walls of your bike but at the same time, it will eat up the seals, rings and anything you can name. On layman's term, it would be like washing your wrinkle-free shirt with our beloved NIRMA washing powder!!

As for your question how long will it take to adversely affect the engine.....let's start the countdown. Btw, any more advanced info, I'll need to check with a collegue of mine who's an expert in automotive engine oils. My knowledge is limited to what I mentioned here

All right folks, Let there be some light...

Advantages of using a Diesel oil:
1.
First of all what is the main point of consideration behind a JASO MA approval ?? Checks for "Friction Modifiers" which result in slippage in a wet clutch. But Rimula oils DO NOT contain any friction modifiers..Therefore there should not be any issue even if there is no JASO MA approval.

Second, it is not mandatory for oils to go for a JASO MA approval. To be precise, most of the branded oil companies still dont need feel the need to go for a JASO MA approval as they have their own testing facilities to certify their oils.

2.
Diesel engine oils do contain more amount of detergents. However these detergents destroy catalytic converters since the oil cleans and lubricates. Diesels don't have cats, and neither do motorcycles, which is why it is perfectly safe to use a Rimula.

3.
Coming to the temperature considerations it is inafct better to use a diesel oil as we live under extremely high temperatures in India. A 15W40 oil is thicker & is more suitable for our climate. Yeah, it is not advisable for places where temperature drops to -10 degrees or less. In such colder conditions a thick diesel oil can cause more wear when the engine starts.

4.
One should no way for any oil in Indian conditions which is lighter than 10W**. Therefore using a 5W** or less is definitely not advisable. Infact experts advice that one should use a 20W** oil if temperature soars to something like 40 degrees.

5.
Diesel oils contain ZINC which is extremely helpful for engines.

The only flip side of using a diesel engine oil which I could observe:
Diesel oils are NOT usually made to run at high RPMs, as they are used in commuter vehicles. To be more specific, the low RPM condition is because of the way the "Power Stroke" works in a diesel engine (it generates way way more usable power than a petrol engine) & also because of the slow burning rate of diesel. The petrol engines on the other hand operate under higher RPM conditions. Therefore what I can suspect is, if you continue using a diesel engine for a long time, it may end up causing some pretty bad damage internally to the rings, pistons and cylinders.

**Divya Sharan** · 07-12-2013, 12:59 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

^^^But all bikes have a cat con. Or did I miss something?

**padfootmoony2006** · 07-12-2013, 01:01 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Yes even my mudguard is misaligned...!!!

**Bibhudatta** · 07-12-2013, 01:54 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

^^^But all bikes have a cat con. Or did I miss something?

my bad, I intended to say "not all motorcycles".. I dont think all motorcycles still have a cat-con.. before a couple of years only a handful of bikes used to have cat-cons; but though the newer bikes now a days have it fitted due to emission control rules..

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