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  • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
    Thats a good question, in cars they use this on the throttle body after disassembling it. But I guess in the case of bikes, it can be added to fuel, no harm could come of it, I assume.
    What you have mentioned is the Throttle Body Cleaning.......for injector cleaning it is always an additive added to the petrol and driven for some time to get the injectors clean.

    some of the high end Petrol are supposed to contain injector cleaner, though it's composition is never disclosed ,and hence doubtful...
    When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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    • Thanks for the inputs psr sir.

      I dug up the thread and found one relevant post from padfootmonty regarding injector cleaning.


      Originally posted by padfootmoony2006 View Post
      HI Brother,
      Ive had similar issues but during the rains....water entering the fuel tank and my bike stalling all of a sudden. Then after a few mins it used to start and work properly. This is usually due to debris like mud and stuff entering the fuel tank. The fuel filter and the fuel pump can be easily cleaned, i clean it myself but i have efficient practise regarding the same coz ive done it for many frens of mine...!! its a complicated job...not coz it is hard...but the fuel pump is expensive. Simple procedure You have to remove all the fuel in the tank with a help of a pipe...then the seat....then the left side panel tucked under the seat...loosen the fuel tank a little from the main bolt attached to the main chasis under the seat. Disconnect the two fuel pipes connecting the fuel pump( remove all connections)...then with 10 number T-Spanner unbolt the fuel pump from the bike...it will be a little diffucult to remove...you may have to stretch the left fairing a little to the outer side to remove it and pull the fuel tank a little to the upeer side. Once it is out....it is supported with a fiber body...under which there is a silver metal body pump. Clean it with petrol properly....then next comes the fuel filter.....it is the small black rubber covered gadget that can be seen from the slit of the front left fairing in between the tank. it has its connection direct to the tank and the next to the fuel pump. the connection to the fuel pump has already been removed...so you need to remove the connection to the fuel tank. It is difficult to reach...to reach it easily you have to remove the whole left front fairing...but now thats more difficult...so try to insert ur hand and get the connection removed. Now you can clean the fuel filter with petrol and air pressure....do not tap it on ground to get the mud removed...it may damage it...!! once done with everything.....connect all the gadgets as removed...be sure with connections once you do them.....Connect it...!! Now you may also clean the fuel tank with a cloth and a big screwdriver (the desi style) be carefull with the fuel gauge level rod inside the fuel tank....!! once done...fill in clean petrol....wait for 5 mins....insert the key and press the ignition...!! Voila.....keep the engine idle for a 10 mins....!!! this should solve your issue....!!
      Along with it you may also clean air filter..that is connected under a black panel at the same side of the bike...!! DO NOT WASH IT!!!! just clean it with air pressure...!!!

      PS: Preferably take it to the SVC or any reputed mechanic to get this done...the intention of this post is not to encourage you guys to try it at home..but to give you information so you know what is being done when the Mechanic is doing it...!!!

      Cheers....!!
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      Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
      ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
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      • Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
        Thanks for the inputs psr sir.

        I dug up the thread and found one relevant post from padfootmonty regarding injector cleaning.


        Read it here - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tml#post884992
        I don't wanna mess around with all that stuff.. though I am sure there is water in the Fuel Tank :'( will get it cleaned soon..

        and hey.. had to cancel the trip to Bhutan due to some personal reason of my pals..
        Splendor - 2k to 2006
        Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
        P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
        Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
        ZMR - 2010 to Forever
        RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
        Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
        RayZ - 2015 til now
        Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


        Delhi to Narkanda
        Delhi to Coimbatore
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        • Originally posted by psr View Post
          The Fuel Pump in ZMR sits below the tank at almost on the casing level on the left hand side(gear shifter) of ZMR...if you remove the side cover you will see a big round part which is the Fuel Pump...
          It is best to leave cleaning of injector to the SVC, else try "System G "(BP)additive in petrol...it is a good product and actually works in keeping the injector and fuel path clean.
          What is system G additive....

          One thing i would like to share...way back 2.5 years back..during 4th service....the SVC suggested to put a Engine oil additive ,,,maker i think was 3M....after that slowly and slowly my bike engine become harsh...smoothness gone...which i struggle to get it rectify this year only....

          i assume this kind of stuff are not good for bikes..at least in ZMR...
          Last edited by veryhiphop; 03-15-2013, 10:25 AM.

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          • Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post
            What is system G additive....

            One thing i would like to share...way back 2.5 years back..during 4th service....the SVC suggested to put a Engine oil additive ,,,maker i think was 3M....after that slowly and slowly my bike engine become harsh...smoothness gone...which i struggle to get it rectify this year only....

            i assume this kind of stuff are not good for bikes..at least in ZMR...
            The same thing happened with my P180's Engine.. i had to change the engine oil like 3 times to rectify it.. when i say change.. I mean after every 500kms..
            Splendor - 2k to 2006
            Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
            P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
            Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
            ZMR - 2010 to Forever
            RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
            Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
            RayZ - 2015 til now
            Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


            Delhi to Narkanda
            Delhi to Coimbatore
            Delhi to Nepal

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            • storing bike

              I will not be using my bike for the next 2 months. What are the other storing procedures to be done apart from removing the battery terminals?

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              • Originally posted by blizarder View Post
                I will not be using my bike for the next 2 months. What are the other storing procedures to be done apart from removing the battery terminals?
                Removing the fuel would be a good option too...
                Splendor - 2k to 2006
                Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
                P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
                Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
                ZMR - 2010 to Forever
                RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
                Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
                RayZ - 2015 til now
                Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


                Delhi to Narkanda
                Delhi to Coimbatore
                Delhi to Nepal

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                • Originally posted by blizarder View Post
                  I will not be using my bike for the next 2 months. What are the other storing procedures to be done apart from removing the battery terminals?
                  Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
                  Removing the fuel would be a good option too...
                  +1.

                  Remove the battery as well as dispose off the old unused oil before starting the bike next time. Not only does old oil vaporize, it creates a layer of varnish like material and also loses its octane value with time.

                  Read this blog recently - http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2032114
                  Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                  Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                  Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                  Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                  ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                  P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                  • Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
                    I guess this is how it is practically.. but y is it that they say the bike should never be in Reserve?? Nowadays I fill the Tank, but prior to this my bike always was in Reserve as I didn't take her out often before I left my BPO job... I mean.. I used to take her out twice a week, but still was always in Reserve.. yet never faced an issue with the Fuel Pump.. Please tell me how it affects the Fuel Pump if the bike is in Reserve.. Theoretically what Divya says can be a reason.. but practically what you are saying is correct.. but still don't understand how this works.. lol.. Dumb Question I guess.. don't laugh at me guys
                    Probably fate of the Fuel pump so it went kaput

                    Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
                    Outside fuel were used in older times...But now most of all the fuel pumps are intank ones. They are more shorter then outer ones and efficient.

                    Can you please verify again that ZMR don't have intank fuel pump ?
                    Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                    AFAIK, all modern vehicles have the fuel pump inside the tank. Hence, I thought the same for ZMR as well.

                    Originally posted by psr View Post
                    The Fuel Pump in ZMR sits below the tank at almost on the casing level on the left hand side(gear shifter) of ZMR...if you remove the side cover you will see a big round part which is the Fuel Pump...
                    It is best to leave cleaning of injector to the SVC, else try "System G "(BP)additive in petrol...it is a good product and actually works in keeping the injector and fuel path clean.
                    PSR sir has replied above. If you people need I can post the photos. ZMR uses the same fuel tank as ZMA except an extra fuel out line to the fuel filter (Cost cutting to the highest possible way) .

                    I am using STP FI cleaner got from Reliance Autozone, I use about 50ml with a full tank fuel once in 3000kms. Though the recommended interval on the container is much more, thought for Indian conditions, 3000kms is fine.

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                    • Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
                      Removing the fuel would be a good option too...
                      I don't think that's a good idea. After removing the fuel if any of my family members get a wild idea to start it then its gonna be a big mess of the pump.

                      Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                      +1.

                      Remove the battery as well as dispose off the old unused oil before starting the bike next time. Not only does old oil vaporize, it creates a layer of varnish like material and also loses its octane value with time.

                      Read this blog recently - http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2032114
                      ya will be remembering this when I restart the bike. Thanks for your input guys.

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                      • Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
                        I am using STP FI cleaner got from Reliance Autozone, I use about 50ml with a full tank fuel once in 3000kms. Though the recommended interval on the container is much more, thought for Indian conditions, 3000kms is fine.
                        Do this product actually clean the injector...what difference have you find after use of cleaner...

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                        • Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post
                          Do this product actually clean the injector...what difference have you find after use of cleaner...
                          Exactly the same question I was gonna put up..

                          Originally posted by blizarder View Post
                          I don't think that's a good idea. After removing the fuel if any of my family members get a wild idea to start it then its gonna be a big mess of the pump.
                          :P :P might not be a good idea.. but what is the use of fuel in the tank when you remove the battery terminals?? :P :P the bike is not gonna start either way or is it?
                          Last edited by The Monk; 03-15-2013, 07:08 PM. Reason: Back to back posts
                          Splendor - 2k to 2006
                          Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
                          P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
                          Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
                          ZMR - 2010 to Forever
                          RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
                          Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
                          RayZ - 2015 til now
                          Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


                          Delhi to Narkanda
                          Delhi to Coimbatore
                          Delhi to Nepal

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                          • Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
                            Exactly the same question I was gonna put up..



                            :P :P might not be a good idea.. but what is the use of fuel in the tank when you remove the battery terminals?? :P :P the bike is not gonna start either way or is it?
                            yes you are right. I didn't thought about that. Anyways putting a little petrol isn't gonna harm I suppose.

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                            • Hey guys, positive update on the fuel pump issue.

                              I went to asc with all the suggestions as provided by you guys. But all my requests with Sr, Supervisor and service incharge were in vain, they were all insistent on paid replacement of fuel pump instead of providing the same under warranty. They also told me that they have contacted HMC people and they also have the same opinion. (The HMC Pune rgion office is located in same building where this SVC is.) They also said that if i have any doubt, then i can go an ask the HMC service incharge, but it wont be of any help. But the moment they felt i might go, he said that the HMC incharge is not in office and he will be available tomorrow only.
                              s)
                              He told me that i have to pay 11.5k for replacement. I told him that i cannot spare this much amount of money at this time, so please pack my bike and give it to me. ( i wanted to take it to different ASC but didnt told them same). They said it will take time to pack bike , come in evening (after 5 hrs), but i insisted that pack it up early, i will wait. They took another 2 hrs to pack my bike.
                              Meantime i went to HMC office contacted their service incharge, who also look after warranty claims. He was very positive. He went though my service book also, But didnt tell me once that i cannot avail warranty since i havent availed all free services. Then he contacted the Sr Supervisor from SVC i had my bike given to. The moment he talked with him, he
                              got biased and started saying same that i havent availed free services, blah ... blah.... but one thing was there that he was also not very confident of what he was saying to reject my claim. So i kept putting my effort in convincing him............ and man.....it worked. He started dialing to few people to know if they have fuel pump in stock, finally he got positive reply from another ASC. He told me although i am not eligible for warranty but still for goodwill they will change it as in warranty. I thought..... whatever....... i am getting it replaced without spending too much and thats what i was looking for so its ok, He said that only thing is that i have to somehow take may bike out of the the current SVC and take it to the ASC he has contacted. I agreed to that and, now i will be taking it this new ASC.

                              I hope changing the fuel pump will finally end the problem i was facing.

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                              • Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
                                Probably fate of the Fuel pump so it went kaput


                                PSR sir has replied above. If you people need I can post the photos. ZMR uses the same fuel tank as ZMA except an extra fuel out line to the fuel filter (Cost cutting to the highest possible way) .
                                Spoke to the HH chief tech on the Fuel Pump problems...he says the fuel pump being a DC motor has Carbon brushes , just like in the Self starter, which wear over time...this is a replaceable component, and a good mech will be able to do it, and the pump will be back to normal.....He also said that Air Lock in petrol line is another problem which had been corrected now by HH...owners can try with their SVC on both the points....
                                Hope this info is useful to ZMR owners....
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