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**Om1234** · 11-21-2017, 07:02 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Karizma r reserve fuel capacity- 2 L
Yesterday my fuel got over
turned knob towards reserve
it run only 6 km on reserve
engine shut off

filled 100rs fuel
1. 4 litres

turned knob towards ON
and wham bike started

how is it possible that
the fuel without getting over the reserve fuel level

got in the level of ON switch
hows
that possible??

**rushikesh.ware** · 11-22-2017, 03:03 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Om1234 View Post

Karizma r reserve fuel capacity- 2 L
Yesterday my fuel got over
turned knob towards reserve
it run only 6 km on reserve
engine shut off

filled 100rs fuel
1. 4 litres

turned knob towards ON
and wham bike started

how is it possible that
the fuel without getting over the reserve fuel level

got in the level of ON switch
hows
that possible??

I had a similar experience during my early ownership days. The reason was, I misinterpreted the ON and Reserve knob position.
I used to turn the knob to ON every time (which was actually reserve position) and would ride, until one day when the tank got totally empty.
I turned the knob on opposite direction (thinking it has switched to Reserve). The bike rode for couple of km and then gave up.

Filled the petrol and then did a thorough check on the knob positioning and marking on it only to realize I was turning it in wrong direction.

I suspect it may be a similar case in yours as well.

**kb100** · 11-26-2017, 12:37 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

what will be the price of self starter motor of karizma

**ajextreme** · 11-26-2017, 01:31 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by kb100 View Post

what will be the price of self starter motor of karizma

About Rs 2800/-. I too have problem with the starter motor. Maybe the carbon brush inside the motor might be the culprit. Do get that checked first before buying one.

**NIGHTMARE** · 11-26-2017, 09:18 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by kb100 View Post

what will be the price of self starter motor of karizma

Recently I repair my self start motor I don't what was exact problem, the electric guy open and cleaned and change something and now it's working perfectly fine, only spend 200₹

**Om1234** · 11-26-2017, 06:56 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Is it true that carburretor of karizma
gets frequently damaged?

**kris123456** · 11-26-2017, 10:20 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Om1234 View Post

Is it true that carburretor of karizma
gets frequently damaged?

Adjusting screws get locked and the threading gets damaged permanently. All future changes can’t be done anymore.

That was my experience. Mine was a 2011 model. Others experience could differ. Also heard karizma quality changed a lot from year to year when it was in production.

**Om1234** · 11-26-2017, 10:22 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by kris123456 View Post

Adjusting screws get locked and the threading gets damaged permanently. All future changes can’t be done anymore.

That was my experience. Mine was a 2011 model. Others experience could differ. Also heard karizma quality changed a lot from year to year when it was in production.

adjusting screws are available
nothing can be done to the thread
and new carburretor cost massive 6.5k
what did you do in your case?

**kris123456** · 11-26-2017, 11:24 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Om1234 View Post

adjusting screws are available
nothing can be done to the thread
and new carburretor cost massive 6500k
what did you do in your case?

Hero ASS said, as screw threading is gone, screws can’t come out without causing more damage to carburetor.

No point in removing those screws because, new ones won’t function because there is no threading.

Had to live with that. My bike never crossed 110 because of this I guess. My bike was running slightly lean mixture and it stayed that way. It used to return 44 + kmpl on hi ways. Can’t complain.

Parts were breaking on their own so sold it off. All plastic body panels.

**Om1234** · 11-27-2017, 09:11 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by kris123456 View Post

Hero ASS said, as screw threading is gone, screws can’t come out without causing more damage to carburetor.

No point in removing those screws because, new ones won’t function because there is no threading.

Had to live with that. My bike never crossed 110 because of this I guess. My bike was running slightly lean mixture and it stayed that way. It used to return 44 + kmpl on hi ways. Can’t complain.

Parts were breaking on their own so sold it off. All plastic body panels.

what was the average of bike after carburretor was damaged?

**ashwinprakas** · 11-27-2017, 10:42 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

A new carburetor set me back by 5.5k when I bought one in 2015.

My stock carburetor faced a couple of issues namely;
1. Premature wear of vacuum piston.
2. Premature wear of AFR screw and cavity.

Both the above issues were brought about due to a couple of stupid decisions I'd made without conducting proper research.

But fret not, mine lasted me 56k with some jugaads and headaches before going for a replacement where as I know people who've replaced parts or the whole carburetor within 20k kms of ownership.

My suggestions for long term reliability would be;
1. Refrain from opting for after market intake setups, keep it stock, a minute gain in performance isn't worth it at the cost of long term ownership experience.
2. When something feels wrong dont go and mess with the AFR screw, try to figure out the exact cause and resolve it rather than immediately opt for invasive measures.

Nonetheless, quality wise I doubt the carburetor is inferior as its made by Keihin. Cheers

**Om1234** · 11-27-2017, 12:40 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

A new carburetor set me back by 5.5k when I bought one in 2015.

My stock carburetor faced a couple of issues namely;
1. Premature wear of vacuum piston.
2. Premature wear of AFR screw and cavity.

Both the above issues were brought about due to a couple of stupid decisions I'd made without conducting proper research.

But fret not, mine lasted me 56k with some jugaads and headaches before going for a replacement where as I know people who've replaced parts or the whole carburetor within 20k kms of ownership.

My suggestions for long term reliability would be;
1. Refrain from opting for after market intake setups, keep it stock, a minute gain in performance isn't worth it at the cost of long term ownership experience.
2. When something feels wrong dont go and mess with the AFR screw, try to figure out the exact cause and resolve it rather than immediately opt for invasive measures.

Nonetheless, quality wise I doubt the carburetor is inferior as its made by Keihin. Cheers

any alternate of carburretor for zma?

**Om1234** · 11-27-2017, 12:44 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

But still i have to say one thing
regardless of so many problems
breaking of body
carburretor damaged
visor vibrations
insane cost of spare parts
inavailibility of spares

the karizma r was a massive success
and gem of a bike

imagine 😮what would have happened if the above mentioned problems were not there,
just imagine ,it would be selling in great numbers till now!

**ashwinprakas** · 11-27-2017, 01:00 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Om1234 View Post

any alternate of carburretor for zma?

If hassle-free ownership is what you're aiming for then I'd suggest you stick with stock.

Or if you dont mind experimenting and spending some time on the motorcycle then the possibilities are many. Used to run a VM28 on my ZMA, never could get it to idle which [MENTION=26930]kb100[/MENTION] inspected and confirmed to be caused by an incomplete pilot circuit. Vineeth used to run off a BS32, he had a hell of a time trying to get the bike to run fine especially since he was running a big bore kit and free flow intake.There are many more experiences on other forums which you'll find with some googling.

My personal take would be to opt for the stock one, especially now since I care more about covering more miles reliably.

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Originally posted by Om1234 View Post

imagine ��what would have happened if the above mentioned problems were not there,
just imagine ,it would be selling in great numbers till now!

If you're willing to rationally compromise on the long stroke properties of the motor and the awesome seating position for better QC and product support then you would find the P220 to be a better Karizma.

But yeah the heart is not rational and cannot replace the emotion of owning a ZMA, I still regret selling mine.

**Om1234** · 11-27-2017, 03:15 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

If hassle-free ownership is what you're aiming for then I'd suggest you stick with stock.

Or if you dont mind experimenting and spending some time on the motorcycle then the possibilities are many. Used to run a VM28 on my ZMA, never could get it to idle which [MENTION=26930]kb100[/MENTION] inspected and confirmed to be caused by an incomplete pilot circuit. Vineeth used to run off a BS32, he had a hell of a time trying to get the bike to run fine especially since he was running a big bore kit and free flow intake.There are many more experiences on other forums which you'll find with some googling.

My personal take would be to opt for the stock one, especially now since I care more about covering more miles reliably.

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If you're willing to rationally compromise on the long stroke properties of the motor and the awesome seating position for better QC and product support then you would find the P220 to be a better Karizma.

But yeah the heart is not rational and cannot replace the emotion of owning a ZMA, I still regret selling mine.

no bro
i own both of them
zma is way much better than p220 in all aspects.

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