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  • #14521
    Re: Karizma/Karizma R

    Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
    Its function is to dampen the stress between the sprocket and the wheel assembly - reduces the wear n tear caused due to throttle or gear changes.
    If it looks scathed or worn, better to replace else would eventually lead to a slight wobbling of the wheel and eventually it would kill the sprocket.

    Its a black rubber part (4/5 pieces) that fits in the rear wheel. The sprocket then goes over it.

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    Exactly mate! Thank you for the pic. @all please excuse me if this sounds OT.

    On my Avenger, the rear wheel makes a "khat khat" kind of mild noise when rotated with hand + while braking there is a kind of grinding noise near the left foot rest. The sprockets, chain and hub are new. Wondering if the dampener/chain guard near the footrest could be at fault .
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    • #14522
      Re: Karizma/Karizma R

      Originally posted by petrolhead_chn View Post
      Exactly mate! Thank you for the pic. @all please excuse me if this sounds OT.

      On my Avenger, the rear wheel makes a "khat khat" kind of mild noise when rotated with hand + while braking there is a kind of grinding noise near the left foot rest. The sprockets, chain and hub are new. Wondering if the dampener/chain guard near the footrest could be at fault .
      Chain might be loose. Anyways, get the dampeners checked for wear. The sound may also come from the chain guide (or is it a chain slide). If the sprocket set is new, getting the slack adjusted should help.
      Last edited by Divya Sharan; 07-15-2013, 09:05 AM.
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      • #14523
        Re: Karizma/Karizma R

        Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
        Chain might be loose. Anyways, get the dampeners checked for wear. The sound may also come from the chain guide (or is it a chain slide). If the sprocket set is new, getting the slack adjusted should help.
        Thank you Sharan. I was holding on to my pockets dearly for the fear of shelling out few bucks to BAL. Local mechs aren't of any use on details. All they say is "Saar! Drive it for few kilometers. It will resolve by itself."

        Sounds like there shouldn't be any major trouble.
        Last edited by petrolhead_chn; 07-15-2013, 09:13 AM.
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        Getting angry at somebody is the same as getting angry with a bike that just won't go. You should stop and start thinking.
        A good mechanic will let you watch even without charging you for it. |
        It is funny to know that we've been imitated and copied so well         and surprising when we notice our mistakes are copied as well.

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        • #14524
          Re: Karizma/Karizma R

          Hi Friends / [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] [MENTION=41586]Divya Sharan[/MENTION]

          After completing 32k kms I got the chain sprocket kit replaced, my bike has become even more smooth after this replacement, around 300kms after the sprocket change I did a ride to Nasik from Mumbai which is 160kms one way, the performance/smoothness was great, max speed the speedo needle touched was 120kmph.

          But since the last 2 days I have noticed a drop in power when I engage to 5th gear, the max speed it reaches is just around 80 kmph on a flat road in 5th gear. Accelerating a bit more does not increases the speed at all, it just stuck at around 80kmph in spite of the throttle being twisted till the max. What could be wrong here ? I have not yet taken it to the SVC

          4th gear seems to be fine, 4th gear can take me till 80 and bit more with ease, its only when I put it to 5th, i get a hollow feeling

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          • #14525
            Re: Karizma/Karizma R

            Originally posted by ryan.virgo View Post
            Hi Friends / @psr @Divya Sharan

            After completing 32k kms I got the chain sprocket kit replaced, my bike has become even more smooth after this replacement, around 300kms after the sprocket change I did a ride to Nasik from Mumbai which is 160kms one way, the performance/smoothness was great, max speed the speedo needle touched was 120kmph.

            But since the last 2 days I have noticed a drop in power when I engage to 5th gear, the max speed it reaches is just around 80 kmph on a flat road in 5th gear. Accelerating a bit more does not increases the speed at all, it just stuck at around 80kmph in spite of the throttle being twisted till the max. What could be wrong here ? I have not yet taken it to the SVC

            4th gear seems to be fine, 4th gear can take me till 80 and bit more with ease, its only when I put it to 5th, i get a hollow feeling
            @ryan.virgo, usually the new chain tends to loose its slackness over run in which is common. You need to adjust it at periodic intervals. Somehow I feel this issue may not be linked to sprockets. I recommend you to check and adjust the slack and lubricate it with a lube spray.

            Also make sure that your speedo needle is in order. If it is not it would fluctuate evidently.
            My DIY(s) - Sprocket bearing change | Paint job | Custom speedo dial

            Getting angry at somebody is the same as getting angry with a bike that just won't go. You should stop and start thinking.
            A good mechanic will let you watch even without charging you for it. |
            It is funny to know that we've been imitated and copied so well             and surprising when we notice our mistakes are copied as well.

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            • #14526
              Re: Karizma/Karizma R

              Originally posted by petrolhead_chn View Post
              @ryan.virgo, usually the new chain tends to loose its slackness over run in which is common. You need to adjust it at periodic intervals. Somehow I feel this issue may not be linked to sprockets. I recommend you to check and adjust the slack and lubricate it with a lube spray.

              Also make sure that your speedo needle is in order. If it is not it would fluctuate evidently.
              But can it loose slackness in 8 days? I dont think the needle is fluctuating because I had twisted the throttle till the max end, and the speed felt just 80kmph not more than that. There is a stretch of road where I usually hit 100kpmh, even with the speedo not working I would be able to feel the speed, thats its above 80.

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              • #14527
                Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                Originally posted by ryan.virgo View Post
                But can it loose slackness in 8 days? I dont think the needle is fluctuating because I had twisted the throttle till the max end, and the speed felt just 80kmph not more than that. There is a stretch of road where I usually hit 100kpmh, even with the speedo not working I would be able to feel the speed, thats its above 80.
                The days does not matter mate. It is the distance covered which is good enough for the chain to set in and loose slackness. I am sure yours would be an O-ring type. When you get it adjusted, do not use the regular grease or 'special oil treatment (old engine oil) - saar' given by local mechs. Use the lube spray for lubrication. It takes about 5minutes to adjust slackness.
                My DIY(s) - Sprocket bearing change | Paint job | Custom speedo dial

                Getting angry at somebody is the same as getting angry with a bike that just won't go. You should stop and start thinking.
                A good mechanic will let you watch even without charging you for it. |
                It is funny to know that we've been imitated and copied so well                 and surprising when we notice our mistakes are copied as well.

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                • #14528
                  Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                  Originally posted by ryan.virgo View Post
                  But can it loose slackness in 8 days? I dont think the needle is fluctuating because I had twisted the throttle till the max end, and the speed felt just 80kmph not more than that. There is a stretch of road where I usually hit 100kpmh, even with the speedo not working I would be able to feel the speed, thats its above 80.
                  What was your RPM? Did it go above a certain figure?
                  If not, you probably need to ensure the slide is free in the carb.

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                  Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                  Its function is to dampen the stress between the sprocket and the wheel assembly - reduces the wear n tear caused due to throttle or gear changes.
                  If it looks scathed or worn, better to replace else would eventually lead to a slight wobbling of the wheel and eventually it would kill the sprocket.

                  Its a black rubber part (4/5 pieces) that fits in the rear wheel. The sprocket then goes over it.

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                  Very good input, I face a kind of knocking issue after a long trip. The engine was very smooth, but once moving into gear, the bike was hesitant when accelerating. We zeroed it down to these dampers. Replacing them ensured the bike was smooth as ever.

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                  • #14529
                    Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                    Originally posted by ryan.virgo View Post
                    Hi Friends / @psr @Divya Sharan

                    After completing 32k kms I got the chain sprocket kit replaced, my bike has become even more smooth after this replacement, around 300kms after the sprocket change I did a ride to Nasik from Mumbai which is 160kms one way, the performance/smoothness was great, max speed the speedo needle touched was 120kmph.

                    But since the last 2 days I have noticed a drop in power when I engage to 5th gear, the max speed it reaches is just around 80 kmph on a flat road in 5th gear. Accelerating a bit more does not increases the speed at all, it just stuck at around 80kmph in spite of the throttle being twisted till the max. What could be wrong here ? I have not yet taken it to the SVC

                    4th gear seems to be fine, 4th gear can take me till 80 and bit more with ease, its only when I put it to 5th, i get a hollow feeling
                    Two Possibilities...
                    1. Throttle slide stuck.....you can loosen the air filter snorkel rubber tube attached to carb inlet, move it aside, and with finger push the throttle up and free it....if you find it difficult, take the bike to a mechanic and ask him to do it gently...

                    You can also do one more simple method ...when the engine is hot and running, accelerate throttle to 3,000 RPM and tap the Carb at the center with the back side of a BLUNT screw driver, and try a few blip of throttle to max...ride and see if the problem had gone away.

                    2. Your choke cable may be stuck in slightly open condition...Pull and push on the choke a couple of times and ensure the cable returns to rest all the way, and there is at least 5 mm slack in cable..
                    Last edited by psr; 07-15-2013, 12:53 PM.
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                    • #14530
                      Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                      Originally posted by AK3D View Post
                      the bike was hesitant when accelerating. We zeroed it down to these dampers. Replacing them ensured the bike was smooth as ever.
                      How did you zero it down friend? I put my bike on center stand, put it on 1st gear and let it run. Confusingly the rear wheel just rotates at irregular intervals, I mean it is not continuous. It seems like it is stuck somewhere, then rotates and gets stuck .

                      After [MENTION=41586]Divya Sharan[/MENTION]'s and your post, I am going to change these dampers today and see.
                      My DIY(s) - Sprocket bearing change | Paint job | Custom speedo dial

                      Getting angry at somebody is the same as getting angry with a bike that just won't go. You should stop and start thinking.
                      A good mechanic will let you watch even without charging you for it. |
                      It is funny to know that we've been imitated and copied so well                       and surprising when we notice our mistakes are copied as well.

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                      • #14531
                        Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                        Originally posted by petrolhead_chn View Post
                        How did you zero it down friend? I put my bike on center stand, put it on 1st gear and let it run. Confusingly the rear wheel just rotates at irregular intervals, I mean it is not continuous. It seems like it is stuck somewhere, then rotates and gets stuck .

                        After @Divya Sharan's and your post, I am going to change these dampers today and see.
                        The easiest way to know if your Cush drive had failed(the rubber dampers in the wheel) is to park the bike on main stand in Neutral gear, and then try rotating the rear wheel with hand in both forward and reverse direction...if you find slackness when you change direction of rotation, then it confirms the rubber in cush drive is compressed ...
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                        • #14532
                          Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                          Originally posted by psr View Post
                          The easiest way to know if your Cush drive had failed(the rubber dampers in the wheel) is to park the bike on main stand in Neutral gear, and then try rotating the rear wheel with hand in both forward and reverse direction...if you find slackness when you change direction of rotation, then it confirms the rubber in cush drive is compressed ...
                          Yes mate. I get a little play on the sprockets plus a 'khat khat' kind of sound.
                          Whew!!!! Sometimes I feel it is better off not knowing these kind of stuffs as it makes me uncomfortable till the issue is sorted out.
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                          Ore kushtamappaa... I mean kashtamappa! "
                          My DIY(s) - Sprocket bearing change | Paint job | Custom speedo dial

                          Getting angry at somebody is the same as getting angry with a bike that just won't go. You should stop and start thinking.
                          A good mechanic will let you watch even without charging you for it. |
                          It is funny to know that we've been imitated and copied so well                           and surprising when we notice our mistakes are copied as well.

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                          • #14533
                            Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                            Originally posted by petrolhead_chn View Post
                            How did you zero it down friend? I put my bike on center stand, put it on 1st gear and let it run. Confusingly the rear wheel just rotates at irregular intervals, I mean it is not continuous. It seems like it is stuck somewhere, then rotates and gets stuck .

                            After @Divya Sharan's and your post, I am going to change these dampers today and see.
                            There was slack, and it also made a sound when trying to rotate the rear wheel.
                            The dampers usually get damaged if you have a long drive on a pothole filled road. My mechanic friend was able to identify the problem and we were able to replace them immediately.

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                            • #14534
                              Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                              Had Parked the Bike on side stand yesterday on the side of the road and as soon as I got off the Bike tipped over to the other side. Luckily no broken indicators and Fairing is intact too.
                              Meter console came loose and Brake lever got bent.
                              Got it opened and found this:

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                              • #14535
                                Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                                Originally posted by petrolhead_chn View Post
                                Yes mate. I get a little play on the sprockets plus a 'khat khat' kind of sound.
                                Whew!!!! Sometimes I feel it is better off not knowing these kind of stuffs as it makes me uncomfortable till the issue is sorted out.
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