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**burninrubbr** · 04-14-2011, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by stefanm View Post

pumping is what you do when you are actually in a skid, to stop an incidence of wheel lock, it applies to cars, on two wheels the outcome could be different, maybe someone more experienced could step in.ABS doesn't do anything until you're braking is compromised and the wheels are likely to lock up, in normal braking conditions there will be no difference between the same vehicle with or without abs, which is contrary to the view of our desi automotive media, they don't give correct information.

+1 to that, but then varying the pressure on the levers help instead of "pumping" the brake, TenHut a really experienced rider(who also owns the CBR1000RR and owned a Ninja 250R) has simplified the whole thing in the braking section, the link was posted few pages ago, check it out

**sundarvignesh** · 04-14-2011, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by burninrubbr View Post

^^ Thats the way it should be done, pumping is dangerous, we shouldn't try to imitate the workings of ABS. Read it in the braking section yesterday and got to check it within an hour, go check it out

i actually havent tried pumping but looking at guys practicing it on the road it looks damn scary! as such DISC BRAKES are designed to act according to the pressure acting on the levers.

**burninrubbr** · 04-14-2011, 11:24 AM

^^ Very true, in pumping action the forks go down and the patch of tyre which is in contact with the road increases and then when you let go off the brake it decreases, and then you squeeze them again, now I'll let you decide what's gonna happen after that, plus when you try the pumping action in panic situation, you don't have the space for any mistake and your reaction time should be precise which goes for a toss in such situation, varying the pressure on the lever is the only and the best way to go

**burninrubbr** · 04-14-2011, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by shivaprasad.ms View Post

Infact I have booked both the bikes having not been able to decide. I am to get the CBR in the first lot hopefully next week. But still I have not made up my mind

It is not easy for me to let R15 go off my mind. I sometimes feel the CBR should have been announced a little later this year and I would have happily bought R15 in January this year

The 15 is a gem, trust me on that one, I've shifted from a P220, will be getting the bike in ~10 days, it handles really well, does decent speed, and can stay there for a long time, ownership cost is lower than the CeeBeR, the only downside is the sitting position which will require you to take break on the tour more than the CeeBeR, I think one can live with that

**sundarvignesh** · 04-14-2011, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by burninrubbr View Post

^^ Very true, in pumping action the forks go down and the patch of tyre which is in contact with the road increases and then when you let go off the brake it decreases, and then you squeeze them again, now I'll let you decide what's gonna happen after that, plus when you try the pumping action in panic situation, you don't have the space for any mistake and your reaction time should be precise which goes for a toss in such situation, varying the pressure on the lever is the only and the best way to go

and thats the way its done!

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**R-series** · 04-14-2011, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by stefanm View Post

pumping is what you do when you are actually in a skid, to stop an incidence of wheel lock, it applies to cars, on two wheels the outcome could be different, maybe someone more experienced could step in.ABS doesn't do anything until you're braking is compromised and the wheels are likely to lock up, in normal braking conditions there will be no difference between the same vehicle with or without abs, which is contrary to the view of our desi automotive media, they don't give correct information.

to correct you with the ABS part..with manual pumping, i feel difficult in believing that it may reduce the braking distance, however electronic ABS does reduce the braking distance, depending upon the surface. If your on a wet and slippery surface it can reduce your braking distance comapred to our convential brakes while on loose surfaces like sand or gravel it my even increase the braking distance as the loose surface moves when the tyre is trying to brake, its difficult for the system to differentiate whether the bike has stopped or not. because the tyre might have stopped bu the bike might still be moving. on the other hand on such a surface it can be vice-versa aswell.

**Puneet1** · 04-14-2011, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by R-series View Post

to correct you with the ABS part..with manual pumping, i feel difficult in believing that it may reduce the braking distance, however electronic ABS does reduce the braking distance, depending upon the surface. If your on a wet and slippery surface it can reduce your braking distance comapred to our convential brakes while on loose surfaces like sand or gravel it my even increase the braking distance as the loose surface moves when the tyre is trying to brake, its difficult for the system to differentiate whether the bike has stopped or not. because the tyre might have stopped bu the bike might still be moving. on the other hand on such a surface it can be vice-versa aswell.

electronic abs reduces braking distance because riders feel more confident of braking hard as abs will take care of wheel lock up . abs only gets triggered when wheel is just about to lock up and releases the brake pressure in the caliper . braking distance without involving wheel lock up is same in abs and non abs bikes .

**R-series** · 04-14-2011, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Puneet1 View Post

electronic abs reduces braking distance because riders feel more confident of braking hard as abs will take care of wheel lock up . abs only gets triggered when wheel is just about to lock up and releases the brake pressure in the caliper . braking distance without involving wheel lock up is same in abs and non abs bikes .

ABS does reduce stopping distance, but not always
ABS | Technology Library | Automobile Technology | Mitsubishi Motors Automobile Manufacturing | MITSUBISHI MOTORS

**Puneet1** · 04-14-2011, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by R-series View Post

ABS does reduce stopping distance, but not always
ABS | Technology Library | Automobile Technology | Mitsubishi Motors Automobile Manufacturing | MITSUBISHI MOTORS

didnt find anything on reduced braking distance in the link due to abs . besides that link's for cars with ebd .

**shivaprasad.ms** · 04-14-2011, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by burninrubbr View Post

The 15 is a gem, trust me on that one, I've shifted from a P220, will be getting the bike in ~10 days, it handles really well, does decent speed, and can stay there for a long time, ownership cost is lower than the CeeBeR, the only downside is the sitting position which will require you to take break on the tour more than the CeeBeR, I think one can live with that

Yes, it is such blurred boundary between the good and bad on R15 and CBR that has got me in this never ending dilema. The only disadvantage of the R15 seems to be riding comfort especially with pillion. Have to soon make up my mind, yes if I drop any of these it is going to be a 'sacrifice' by me.
I have read R15 has no issues with city and highways provided you get used to its riding posture. But the problem is I have budget for CBR too. Had that extra Rs.50k for the CBR been a burden to me matter would have been a lot easier. Now it seems I have to only decide by instinct after actually putting my hands on the CBR next week.
But now my biggest apprehension about buying R15 is that the new lots which are 100% made in India are a bit inferior in quality/performance to the ones imported initially...
Thank you for your opinion.

**darkknight** · 04-14-2011, 12:40 PM

would a two year old r15 done 60 k kms on odo --travelled to spiti & leh ladakh--completed saddle sore & bunburner successfully as well as innumerable trips --given no serious problems till date affect your opinion in any way

**burninrubbr** · 04-14-2011, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by shivaprasad.ms View Post

Yes, it is such blurred boundary between the good and bad on R15 and CBR that has got me in this never ending dilema. The only disadvantage of the R15 seems to be riding comfort especially with pillion. Have to soon make up my mind, yes if I drop any of these it is going to be a 'sacrifice' by me.
I have read R15 has no issues with city and highways provided you get used to its riding posture. But the problem is I have budget for CBR too. Had that extra Rs.50k for the CBR been a burden to me matter would have been a lot easier. Now it seems I have to only decide by instinct after actually putting my hands on the CBR next week.
But now my biggest apprehension about buying R15 is that the new lots which are 100% made in India are a bit inferior in quality/performance to the ones imported initially...
Thank you for your opinion.

Don't worry about the quality, if it was 100% perfect in the 1st lot of 15, it is 95% perfect in the Indian manufactured lot, so its no big deal, plus see the positive side, the spares are cheaper ! and as DK said "would a two year old r15 done 60 k kms on odo --travelled to spiti & leh ladakh--completed saddle sore & bunburner successfully as well as innumerable trips --given no serious problems till date affect your opinion in any way"

**shivaprasad.ms** · 04-14-2011, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by darkknight View Post

would a two year old r15 done 60 k kms on odo --travelled to spiti & leh ladakh--completed saddle sore & bunburner successfully as well as innumerable trips --given no serious problems till date affect your opinion in any way

Absolutely not. The "two year old" you are talking about I assume is from the imported lot and hence I have full confidence on it. But I am apprehensive about what I will buy "now", which is "rumoured" to be inferioir to yours.

**vkuchhal** · 04-14-2011, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by veyron999 View Post

Had a karizma guy riding real fast and was quite ahead of me..I took speed, overtook him...later at the signal we took off together...without redlining in any gear, shifting at 8k I took the lead...while he even downshifted from 3rd he couldn't overtake me...after reaching 115 he was hot on my tail...but as I knew my limits, I slowed down as it was getting dangerous...
Was really pleasantly surprised at the ease with which a 150cc bike screwed the 225cc bike...really proud....

Congrats buddy for your win..
But just a thought from my side.. It might be a possibility that the rider of the 223cc bike was not as much skilled as you are..

I know that R15 is a very good bike.I think the best thing for this bike is the power to weight ratio.which might be a reason for Karizma's defeat.

Something similar happened with me yesterday, though i generally do not race.. but something tempted me.. so went for it on hosur road.
But sadly R15 was not to be seen anywhere.

I know it was a wrong gesture from my side, but would request people not to race on the road.

NOM

**shrinathrao** · 04-14-2011, 01:01 PM

Has anyone installed Xenos or any other anti theft security system in their R15, If yes can someone tell the cost and other details?

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