Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

[jimmy79]

Could someone post a link for the APE RR which i can make an order internationally please?

Anyone? Please?

[sandeepcf]

BTW for my case, I saw the battery chamber, I can just cut the top end (plastic part) of the place and make a place for a 7 ah battery.
So which brand and model to go for? Amaron Pro Bike Rider (Alpha or Beta - whats main difference between them?) maintenance free battery (let me know your views if there are better choices possible).

I had used 7AH UPS battery in my ambition for 3 years. Lead acid Exide battery gaveup in just 2 years in my Unicorn. So I am currently using 7AH UPS battery for the past 6 months, no problems at all(Full DC 55/60w headlamp and Occasionally an extra 35w HID). UPS battery costs Rs.800 and comes with 1 year warranty. 7AH Automobile battery costs 1300, almost double the cost. I am happy with the UPS battery both performance and budget wise.

A RR (rectifier n regulator) converts AC to DC and stabilizes the output. A bike starting with or without batter has nothing to do with the RR. Atleast AFAIK! ah never mind..

Unfortunately this is not the case with APE RR. I also blew two bulbs while testing the APE RR. Will make a video when I am free.

[Boudhayan]

Yeah, for this you need a robust charging system, which can keep you battery charged even against the increased discharge. The stock charging circuit cannot do that. A rewind of stator, New higher capacity rr etc are required.

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ok, can you please guide me on what are the things I need to do like serially...
1. Rewind of stator = what are the things I need to buy and how to do that? Can a local bike mech do that?
2. Higher capacity RR - which one exactly? after buying one how to install? Can a local bike mech do that?
3. what are the 'etc'?
4. and which battery at the end?
Please give me descriptive details so that I can fix my bike this weekend only.

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I had used 7AH UPS battery in my ambition for 3 years. Lead acid Exide battery gaveup in just 2 years in my Unicorn. So I am currently using 7AH UPS battery for the past 6 months, no problems at all(Full DC 55/60w headlamp and Occasionally an extra 35w HID). UPS battery costs Rs.800 and comes with 1 year warranty. 7AH Automobile battery costs 1300, almost double the cost. I am happy with the UPS battery both performance and budget wise.

ok...but do you have any idea, what is the main difference (build-wise not performance-wise) between a UPS battery and automobile battery?

[sandeepcf]

Now if there's a battery it's sureshot to have DC in it, of course the battery needs DC to get charged, and the RR does it. So basically, if I need a higher watt HID, I basically replace the RR unit along with stator coil just to provide more current to the battery that's drawn by the HID?
Every bike produces unregulated AC. with some RRs - some amount of current is regulated and sent to lights and the remaining current is converted to DC to charge the battery. with some other RRs - all the current is converted to DC and sent to battery. If you want HID's the latter is prefered.
And second, can I just change the RR to a more higher one, and chuck the stator winding if I happen to use a more powerful HID? Will the battery be charged uniformly or drained or should I do the rewinding, RR change if I opt for something higher than 35w
If there is no water in the borewell, using a handpump or a jetmotor or a submergible produces the same result.
Thanks

Cheers!
VJ

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ok...but do you have any idea, what is the main difference (build-wise not performance-wise) between a UPS battery and automobile battery?

Ups battery VRLA - valve regulated lead acid battery.. some gel is used..
automobile - lead acid.
automobile maintenance free battery - not sure

Wikipedia will help you..

[B7ACKTHORN]

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Ups battery VRLA - valve regulated lead acid battery.. some gel is used..
automobile - lead acid.
automobile maintenance free battery - not sure

Wikipedia will help you..

Thanks for the reply but that was not what I was looking for. Yes VRLA are not only used in UPS but bikes too and numerous other applications

Please read my post one more time and if you can clear some provide some insightful thoughts that'd be much appreciated.

Lijo? I think you're the right guy to answer this :banghead:

Cheers!
VJ

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[sandeepcf]

I am sorry, as a matter of fact I couldn't draw proper inference from your post.

[lijok]

Unfortunately this is not the case with APE RR. I also blew two bulbs while testing the APE RR. Will make a video when I am free.

was the ape rr in the lighting circuit? Rr is used in the charging circuit.



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[sandeepcf]

was the ape rr in the lighting circuit? Rr is used in the charging circuit.

Once you make the bike FULL DC, there will be no separate lighting and charging circuits. Everything in the bike is powered from battery(which is powered by charging circuit of RR).

[B7ACKTHORN]

Guys anyone?

Okay so let me break it up.

So here is my doubt. My bike currently runs on 12V 35w headlight, okay. Now few pages back one member has said that (in his Fazer I guess) he'd used 35w HID with stock setup, without having to go for a APE or Bajaj RR.

So my question is, if I opt for a HID other than 35w should I rewind my coil and upgrade to a better RR? That's one,

If I stick with the stock 35w HID, can the bike's stock electrical components handle the load?

Third, all bikes with battery at least nowadays are DC. Now how can one differentiate between DC and pulsating DC?

Fourth, for example if I use a 55w HID, I should rewind my coil and upgrade the RR, right? Just purely for battery charging and to overcome to effects of battery draining

Cheers!
VJ

[albyjose]

^^Wondering the same for a long time,don't know~!
How much does 4300k,35w hid cost?
Any good brands?

[Boudhayan]

Guys anyone?

Okay so let me break it up.

So here is my doubt. My bike currently runs on 12V 35w headlight, okay. Now few pages back one member has said that (in his Fazer I guess) he'd used 35w HID with stock setup, without having to go for a APE or Bajaj RR.

So my question is, if I opt for a HID other than 35w should I rewind my coil and upgrade to a better RR? That's one,

If I stick with the stock 35w HID, can the bike's stock electrical components handle the load?

Third, all bikes with battery at least nowadays are DC. Now how can one differentiate between DC and pulsating DC?

Fourth, for example if I use a 55w HID, I should rewind my coil and upgrade the RR, right? Just purely for battery charging and to overcome to effects of battery draining

Cheers!
VJ

Yes that is my Fazer, If I only lit up one HID 35w (projector fitted) then its same like stock bulb, there is no issues at all, even the horn and indicator work as new . The problem starts when I try to use both the headlamps.

[B7ACKTHORN]

Yes that is my Fazer, If I only lit up one HID 35w (projector fitted) then its same like stock bulb, there is no issues at all, even the horn and indicator work as new . The problem starts when I try to use both the headlamps.

Which means the power must new upped and that means some shit has to be done with RR etc etc I get it now.

Cheers!
VJ

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[siddharthsure]

Guys anyone?

Okay so let me break it up.

So here is my doubt. My bike currently runs on 12V 35w headlight, okay. Now few pages back one member has said that (in his Fazer I guess) he'd used 35w HID with stock setup, without having to go for a APE or Bajaj RR.

So my question is, if I opt for a HID other than 35w should I rewind my coil and upgrade to a better RR? That's one,

If I stick with the stock 35w HID, can the bike's stock electrical components handle the load?

Third, all bikes with battery at least nowadays are DC. Now how can one differentiate between DC and pulsating DC?

Fourth, for example if I use a 55w HID, I should rewind my coil and upgrade the RR, right? Just purely for battery charging and to overcome to effects of battery draining

Cheers!
VJ

No 1: if you opt for other hid than the 35 w you need to rewind and upgrade to ape RR and maybe even the battery since stock coil an RR cant charge the battery faster than the drain rate( drained by the hid )

No 2: if you stick to 35w hid just make sure to convert your bike to full dc setup.. No other mods needed as stock setup can handle the load ( Hid draws more current only to initialise, after that it draws less current than the standard halogen bulb )

No 3: i will explain afaik.. In a full dc bike the electricals get dc current directly from the battery and the battery gets charged with the help of stator coil and RR..
Whereas all other bike like your victor i guess uses pulsating dc. Here the current produced by the stator coil and RR is rectified and given to all electricals.. This is also dc since it is being rectified but its voltage varies continuously with respect to the rpm. Thus your headlight intensity varies with rpm while other things such as horns and indicators get current from battery
As its voltage varies continuously its known as pulsating Dc.
Hope you understand

No 4: already answered in 1

Cheers

[Sid85]

Guys, don't kill me for the question I am asking...I know this has been discussed to death. Just needed some quick suggestions.

I want to upgrade from stock bulbs(not HID). Options are :
1) Phillips Diamond Vision - 5000K
2) Phillips Crystal Vision - 4300K
3) Phillips Extreme Vision - ????

Which one out of these is the best? I need a whitish look of the light when looked from opposite side. Can do with yellowish throw of light. Please suggest guys. Thanks in advance.

[lijok]

Those who have been asking me questions.. please read up the following threads... my gyan is also from these and discussion with those guys only.

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/universal-threads/11469-convert-ac-dc-bike-all-dc.html

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/desi-bikes/13426-electrical-modification-convert-apaches-full-dc-power-run-hids-all-day.html

Read this post...

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/help-me/14684-basic-projectors-hid-their-installation.html#post494542

another post

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/help-me/14684-basic-projectors-hid-their-installation-2.html#post495421