@theironhorse99: it's entire switch assembly (starter, lamp).

@theironhorse99: it's not only about price, it's about the unfair practice by HMSI. We can count to get good parts in return of our money.

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How can they have 2 different part numbers for same part.
Wont this make the process of identifying the part using the part number complicated.

Regards,
Ram

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Got delivery last week. They still supply Contigos as OEM. Have a Givi replica monokey box, thinking of fitting a mount for the same. The only option seems to be SR1103. it is quite expensive and does not seem to be available in India. Anybody know an alternative? I know replicas are available for RE as cheap as 1500 rs.

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I think, they don't advertise OEM part numbers. Hence, their ASC or customers only know of one set of part numbers as shown in above pdf.

Unfortunately, we can't be sure, spare/replacement part be of same standard and quality as OEM parts which came with bike.

If we can't figure out or don't know OEM part numbers, there is no way we would find out the difference. Of course comparing two parts (original, replacement) side by side can give some hints, as it happened in my case.

I have to get a lot of things (clutch plates, chain sprocket kit, etc) replaced in coming days, and I am concerned.

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The ASC's are known to cheat the customers all the time which is why I make it a point to check the vehicle after service before taking it back. I had a very nasty incident at Prathul Honda Hyderabad. They did not change the engine oil during paid service but billed me for the same. The oil in the the oil level indicator was practically black. When I told them about this they said " Sir after the engine oil change we took the vehicle out for a test drive for a few kms that is why the oil became black". I demanded to speak to the service manager who tried to sell me the same story. After half an hour of yelling they finally changed the oil which remained golden brown for the next 600 km .

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[MENTION=66260]blinx99[/MENTION]: I agree with you. I have had my own share of bad experiences with ASC, where I have been repeatedly cheated. Parts billed but were never used, instead old parts were fixed (jugaad) and used. I now sit and get service done in front of my eyes. I don't leave bike, and I have educated myself to know stuff.

They just filled 1litre engine oil during first service. They didn't change filter and all.

They now know that I am little bit knowledgable about things. So they treat me and my bike very well.

In this case about part, it is HMSI who is doing unfair practice. We should take it serious, and petition.

Cheers

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This is concerning indeed, appreciate bringing this up. Any tom, dick and harry can come up with petition and or start a petition, but do you think it's actually feasible to make a difference, especially with Honda! God help you!

@Iam_Hoodi_CBR Part numbers, over years, they are changed accordingly, and not necessarily published mainstream, as it is of less concern at least here in India (at least they think we're just retards) it just circulates in and around the parts counter dept/parts sales manager. Part numbers don't change radically as to confuse anyone, there are certain codes for certain countries, like tensor has already posted above, if you compare what's sold in Thailand and other European countries to Indian part numbers, one can clearly find the difference.

Now let me tell you guys one thing, it's not just Honda, all after market replacements parts, from any manufacturer don't go through the strict quality control as to what comes with the stock vehicle from its factory. The stuff factory gets, is completely different from what we get on shelves (for sake of sticking to this topic, let me not delve into that) What comes with any bike from the factory is the best as it can get. Now it doesn't mean replacement parts are crap, but the way the quality is checked, redundancy checks, are all gone with the wind when it comes to after market parts, the part makers make a lot of margin on replacement parts, where they stretch their arms, as there aren't much stricter redtape as what factory demands.

Gone are the days when bikes made of solid iron and solid steel get the exact same replacement parts, today, the scenario is totally different, you get alloys from manufacturers, and get cast as replacement, just so we get the difference.

Cheers!
VJ

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Thank you for sharing your views. I really appreciate you took time to write in detail. I understand that's how it's going on.

It's indeed hard to get quality parts all the time. But I am not willing to give up on quality if I am buying parts from company directly.

Can or does Honda do this in U.S. or countries like that? I have been fighting because I don't like us (Indians) being treated like this.

How did HMSI give me OEM part after six months of fight (not accepting low quality, and keep asking for good quality)? Doesn't that prove, HMSI is intentionally letting this happen? In fact, they are a party?

They probably knew about part all the time, yet they kept sending (3 times) cheap quality part to ASC.

When I told HMSI guy that I am going to raise this issue with folks on auto magazine, xBHP and higher-management in Honda; He tried ASC supervisor made a deal (swap part from new bike in showroom), I denied doing anything like that - unethical. I felt for the guy who would buy that bike.

When they realized, I am not going to give up, I got a call from ASC next day that new part is available, and there was some mix up with part numbers.

I think, we need to know real part numbers, so we can ask for those. You can see, good and bad quality parts are being sold at same price. Doesn't that give hint of something wrong going on?

I have emailed them asking stock part list and part number. We are well within our rights to know each part number of parts that come with new bike.

Anyway, I hope this story helps everyone, and we are critical while getting replacement done. It is always good idea to compare old and new parts, most of time we can find things out.

Cheers

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It's sad but that's the reality. Now I cannot comment on how US and other European countries fare, because each country has its own "standards" (at least according to the industry) and we, here according to them, are just scapegoats. It's very hard to discern what's on a company's mind, they have different tactics for different countries and I think they just think Indians are just retards, mark my word on that. They think we'll nod to every crap they have to say, ok saar, yes saar, double okay saar, and I think we can't blame the companies either, they just are making their coffers full with the current status quo, it's just plain simple.

I'd just love to see, please send a mail to Honda India exactly what you've typed in your previous message with photos and complete details and let's see what they have to offer. It'd be really interesting to see how this unfolds. I for one would definitely love to see what they have to offer (with a pinch of salt though)

Cheers!
VJ

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[MENTION=39214]B7ACKTHORN[/MENTION]. Yeah your are right man. While i'm pretty sure the mechanics in the western world rip their customers off as well, they do so in labour & service charges ,not in the quality of the parts they use. The ASC's here take us for fools. One needs to check their bill thoroughly for the parts and the qty of oil used. Always insist on taking back replaced parts and if they charge for 2Ltrs of the cbr engine oil ask for the 500ml in the bottle back.

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Agreed.

I would send email with all details, and see what they have to say.

Thanks. Cheers.

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I'm set to back home on this weekend after six months. CBR has been parked inside the house with battery disconnected and empty fuel tank.

I'm planning to fill the tank with ~1.5L petrol to bring her back into life and head towards the SVC. As the SVC is very close(<1km) to me place and I'm planning for a FI clean, keeping less oil probably would be better.

Few points/questions

1. What should be my first call while starting the engine after a gap of six months? Any special care needed?
2. ODO mark is 10K in last 2yrs. Last service was done in Feb 2015. Last time SVC guy was asking for a FI clean, but I refused to do it as I felt the bike was in good condition. Do I really need it?
3. Shall I go for an Air filter change?
4. Side stand was having some tik-tak sound before I left home and during SVC checkup the meachanic said there was some minor glitch but it was fine. Shall I change the side stand for safety?

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I guess the only way to be completely sure (assuming they don't let you into the SVC) that your oil change has happened is to redo it ourselves, including Oil filter, which would double the costs of each service, but safer. On that note, is it within our rights as a customer to see for ourselves that the service is happening properly and the parts being changed are genuine?

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I can understand with the part number being changed in due course of time, but the date of packaging between the 2 parts are hardly a month. As you said most of the companies are not bothered much about the quality of spares available.

Now I am very much bothered about other parts like oil filter/air filter where we usually will not check the quality before or after application ...

Regards,
Ram

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