IS this a Problem?

Guys i get some sort of squeaking sound when I release the clutch and this happens only 1 once in the morning but not everyday.
Have any of you guys faced the same problem?
I am done with first service and i mentioned it to those guys they asked me to start the bike 2 minutes before I start my Journey But that is what i do. The other option is I leave my bike with them for 2 days or so.

Guys please help

i'm looking for a CBR250R swingarm & rear wheel.

anyone in bombay know of a SVC that has these two parts...
please lemme know.

@aargee: are you sure you don't work for HMSI !?!

You are kidding rite.

know the unkown

if ppl(prospective buyers nd folks who are waiting for their blades) go through the CBR thread they will panic for sure.....like i did....my friends went to a honda showroom to take a look at the bike after going through the thread....MAN!! they were SHOCKED....so with the thread info they went to the showroom and chumma started talking to each other tht the engine fails even b4 1k and the SHIMS- tappents are prob'matic, con rusts and real B***S***SVC...the chief techs at honda went beserk!!sayng NO WAY BLA BLA BLA and went to a point of asking proof for the claims!! ....and my friend said www.XBHP.come CBR250R thread read AND U WILL "KNOW THE UNKOWN' ABT THE CBR..but still didnt believe saying its some conspiracy!!!..........!!!
@aargee-sir i agree with u,this country has issues....

When I mentioned aargee's case to a service center senior executive, the reason he gave was that it was because of using engine oil grade not recommended by honda. I think they do not care to know much about the bike. It is better not to discuss the issues with them.

Sir, How can you talk like this about our prized processions?. .

Please do tell me that you dont believe everything you read on the interwebs. & You actually went to talk to HMSI with the information you *read* on the interwebs.

BTW can anyone point out to me a product in retail automobile market with 0 failure rate?

Hello friends
there is shortage of oil filters . so i planned to get it early as my bike was first to be delivered in punjab jal region .
due to short oil filters i planned to get it initally from honda service station where they called there work shop and ask for it from the INITIAL KITS which are delivered by honda to delears before they deliver the first bike in market
odo reading - 950km
oil filter cost- RS253

so plz suggest the perfect stage to change it? is it on second service?
and what other things to be changed in second service which are not on the manual
and is this geniune one as they said they hav only 2 of their kind left..... lol
some pics of one of them

1.Has any one changed the stock headlamp to other automotive lamps like HID,S , or Bi-xenon angel eyes??? any one plz post pic
or
any one having reflector opening guide . so that i can install an angel eye?

2.has any one changed the stock battery to amaron or bigger one 9mah??

Post service report

So, I have been putting this off for quite sometime now, partly due to the lack of internet at home, but more so to do with my laziness. Owing to the extreme boredom I am facing at work today, I decided to park my butt and pen my thoughts(well figuratively of course).

1.The background:-
I stay in chennai, owing to the disrespect and the nonchalant nature of the dealer I was initially banking on (Kun Adyar-this is the closest to me), I decided to go with a dealer in the outskirts,a 100kms from chennai, i,e Kanchipuram. He promptly delivered the bike in a months time, and has been supportive in whatever I have asked of him(being present for the PDI etc etc.)Hence, I decided even though it might sound ridiculous to some, to travel a 100kms to get your bike serviced, I decided to give it a chance. Because frankly, I thought it was worth it, I would know how competent the mechanic was, and if he turned out to be incompetent, then there are n number of service stations in chennai, from which I can always get my bike serviced, and on the other hand, if he turned out to be good, I only have to visit him once every 6000kms which is not such a bad thing either.

2.The journey:-
I started for Kanchipuram with my odo reading 900kms. I would barely make it below the 1k mark by the time I would reach the service center. The bike had obviously become a lot noisier and the engine a lot gruntier. I was planning to get the first service done at 500, but time constraints forced me to wait. In comparison to the state it was in when I first got it, the bike would now vibrate at 5k-6k rpm in the 3rd and 4th gear. The gear shift had become harder and noisier at time. False neutrals a little more frequent, somewhere close to 3-4 in a 100 , up from 0-1 before 100 kms on the odo(Contrary to suggestions and my own gut feeling, I didn't change the engine oil much earlier). At times, I felt the bike denied to accelerate as fast as it should when going from 3k rpm in the higher gears (read as 4 and above). The higher rev grunt was still present, but the vibrations were, well, much more vibrant. I could feel them on the tank and the foot pegs. The front wind screen had become visibly loose, but didnot make any sound or vibrate, at any bump or rpm. The bottom cowling had become a little loose(still wouldn't make any sound). The chain had turned charcoal black(Theres a lot of dust in the area i ride).I could actually feel the muck when i touched the chain.This is the comprehensive list of problems I noticed before I took the bike to servicing, so that I can somewhat quantify the quality of service.I re-iterated the presence of these issues on the way to the service station, which was a good 100 kms. I am not fully aware of the loss of top-end, although I was of the opinion the bike cannot do more than 135(If you have read my initial ride report, I have done 135 with a pillion, with a lot of twist left on the throttle,). I did not push the bike to its limits after the initial adrenaline rush. I was planning to do so soon after the first service.

3.The service:-
I already booked an appointment the day before, and he asked me to be there at 9:30-9:45. I reached there at 9:38 exactly, as I honor punctuality(knowing fully well that it would be a good 1 hour before he would begin work on my bike). And as expected,I stayed there looking at all the activas and shines and unicorns being washed one after the other. The little kid who is always an inherent part of any service center to do the cleaning job, was NOT allowed to even touch my bike. He was strictly instructed against even pointing the hose by mistake towards my bike. I also talked to the M.D of the showroom and got the permission from him to be there at the service bay, while the service is being done. I was told that only the Honda trained mechanic would wash my bike, and no-one else. I was a little happy that they cared about my bike, if not as much as me(I understand its even wrong to expect that from them, but then again, how I wish that was the case). I sat there in the sun, mustering my patience levels, as every bike came, got a wash and was driven inside for a service. At the end of the 1 hour, that was around 11, I raised my voice and told him to wash it now. He promptly, dropped the activa's engine part he was cleaning(whatever it was) and attended to my cbr. I observed what the difference was in washing the CBR from other bikes,(well, what else had i to do? ) also to later, instruct my local mechanic to clean it, if at all i needed it. In comparison, I observed that, they have no inhibitions in taking and kissing the hose to the body of the bike,in case of normal ones. But with the cbr, the mechanic was holding it a good 3-5 feet away from the bike, depending on where he was pointing the hose. 3 feet when he was cleaning the underneath of the mudguard and 5 in more delicate parts like the engine and the body. He finished it off in a mere 2 mins time. Then he got onto cleaning the engine and the rims. I told him not to touch the body, as 1.it was not a micro fibre cloth. 2.I had to travel a 100kms during which, whatever little cleaning he would do, would be rendered obsolete(but as nature has planned it and as I would know later, it was useless to let him clean the bike at all,Read on for details).
He took the bike and parked it in the service bay and got the paddock stand and mounted it onto the bike. And the wait begins again, as the actual Cbr mechanic still has to turn up. I waited another one and half hours. It's almost 12 now, and i was beginning to lose it again. With a little push, the senior technician was called, and he began working on my bike. They meticulously removed the entire fairing of the bike. This is the first cbr they are servicing, and I could see it in their workmanship. However good you might be, you still tend to get nervous if that's the first time you are doing something, and I am not saying they were bad at what they were doing. The promptly drained the engine oil. The quality of which i wanted to check(Trust me, I have been the most nosiest customer they have ever seen). The engine oil was matt black in color, with no visible floating metal particles, which was expected otherwise i would have been . I asked them to show me the oil filter too, they showed me the old one,I was just about to take it and check it, when he dropped into the drained engine oil. Now, i will not make assumptions if that was done on purpose . But I was happy that atleast they are going to replace my oil filter . I have read about the rusting issues some of the members faced here, and I told him about the same, although I had no signs of rusting anywhere on the bike, not even on the over-exposed rear view mirrors . He informed me that he sprayed an anti-rust agent on the entire bike, as soon as he got it, even before the PDI and gave me a look. I gave him a thumbs up, and told him, "still, check my cone set and the steering head bearing" He was like "alright sir". i continued by saying "anyway, go ahead and give it another round of anti-rust treatment again". He again agreed. Isn't it great when you get to stay there and get everything done personally?? Some weird satisfaction I got out of the entire thing, the same cannot be said about the mechanic, I am sure . Since everything was being taken care of, now i started pestering him about the digital verniers. He told me they have just the normal verniers. They opened the engine head now, and were looking at the shims. I went and asked him about the valve clearances and the shims, (I was just testing his knowledge :P). As it turns out, he is not illiterate, and he knew enough to keep me satisfied. I still didn't see any measurement happening, So i started pestering him again about the vernier calipers, Now he got up, walked up to the storage and brought out a vernier calipers. He still didnot use it though. Instead they brought a swiss knife type looking thingy, but instead it had metal leaves, with varying thickness i suppose. He didn't tell me, but i figured, this is an alternate to the vernier calipers. They opened two leaves, and saw the intake and exhaust valves were between them, and again gave me a look. I guess it was to say "everything is ok". I didn't bother him much after that. Oh by the way, the work started at around 12 and we decided on a lunch break from 1 to 1:45 and when I promptly returned by 1:45, they had already started working on the bike again. The time was nearing 5p.m They worked well over 4 hours on my bike, and it still wasn't finished. Chain cleaning and lubrication was still left, and refitting the engine and the cowl ofcourse. I kept asking him about chain lube, and he grimly responded saying, they have just the chain cleaner, and were out of the lube. I was a little and a little , but i decided for the presumably VIP treatment I got, I thought i will cut them a little slack(As i realize later, this was a mistake too). I told him it's alright, he cleaned my chain twice. I asked him to do the anti-rust treatment again, he agreed, brought the can and sprayed a funny smelling liquid all over the bike. All the nuts and bolts were covered. The time now is almost 6:30. They have been working on the bike for almost 6 hours now. They finally completed it, and took it for a test drive. He returned a good 10 mins later and told me it was all good,handed me the keys and told me to check it. I went for a test drive,

4.Post service impressions

The bike had obviously become noticeably smoother. The trademark 'Buttersmooth" gear shifting was back. The clutch free play was gone. and i mean completely gone . The bike wouldn't leap or go until i completely left the clutch. Some might like it that way, but that's not the way i ride. I need some intermediate release too. I shot her upto 120. Nope, zilch, zero vibrations, neither the tank nor the foot pegs. I would have gone faster to check the top end but then it was getting dark, time was 6:50 by now, and the road isn't exactly a 6-laner (well actually, it's a 2 lane highway). Although, I did make it a point to let him know that I was skeptical about the top end and fearful that it might not go beyond 135 kmph, just in case it doesn't and he doesn't act oblivious . I asked him to adjust the clutch and tighten the rear brake, rest everything was better than what I expected they would make of it. One more thing i forgot to mention, my tank had marks/abrasions on it during the delivery. I couldn't wait any longer, so I just took it anyway, they promised to take "care" of it during first service. But this time, they told me they have to go to a local paint shop and get it done. I told him , no way in hell that's happening mate. He offered another choice of an official honda racing tankpad which, take my word for it is "absolutely gorgeous" and he quoted 300 bucks for it. I didn't hesitate, I will post a picture of the same soon. With that plastered on the tank, the marks were gone, and I didn't really care. Although, I am a perfectionist at times, I can compromise over little things that seem reasonable to me.

5.The journey back home

We started for home at 7 p.m exact. I got to check the headlight spread and illumination on the highway for the first time, and it felt good. The distance it showed was less, and would need really good braking skills, if you happen to shine your light on a pothole say at 80. But then again, little things, All it needs is a little elevation of the bulb, and I am not really a speed demon on the highways at nights. So not an immediate concern, but added to the "to do" list. Now, just when i was saying to myself, "Iam going to relish this ride as much as i can, feel as much of the bike as i can, ride it on the dust as less as i can". At this point, some sadistic jack ass up in the skies heard that, and he started pissing like there is no tomorrow. I didn't have an option to stop, for the rain didn't look like it would recede, and I had to get back home, it had been a tiring day. I decided to push on, and check the performance of the bike in the rain. Remember where i said to myself "I will try to feel as much of the bike as i can"? Well, 5 mins into the rain, I couldn't even feel my fingers or my face (thanks, to the cheap motocross style helmet i adorn), let alone the bike and it's vibrations. It took a lot more concentration and patience to drive in the rains, and everything i had went into riding safe, nothing left to enjoy/experience/notice. Strangely, after a while, I started enjoying the tiny whip lashes on my body, it was a strange feeling to be hit by rain at 80 kmph after a gap of 2 years. I remembered then, Damn! it's been 2 years since i drove my p200. Now, although I was disappointed that I couldn't "observe" the performance of the bike, I was happy that I could experience, how it handles in the rains. and again my my my to the abs. It really is a miracle. You slam the breaks however you want. as long as you are in a straight direction,(which is how you should be when you are slamming breaks), the beast just comes to a halt without so much as a hue or cry. Be it 100 or 120, rain or mud or a combination of both, It just stopped. Everytime, there was a scary situation, and it obeyed my commands much better than I would have ever ordered, it left a huge grin on my face. I will tell you this boys, if not for the performance,the looks, buy it for the suspension and the breaks. They just cannot be beaten, and I will stop now at the risk of being branded a fan boy .

6.The aftermath

I reached chennai at around 9p.m (2 hours for a 80kms ride, you do the math). I didn't really push the bike. I was exuberant with the performance of it. We decided to get a quick bite at KFC, so as i stopped the bike there and got off it to have a look, I just went a 10 times. The whole bike was painted in mud and slush and brown colored road ash that I managed to get hold of. Nothing that could be done, except clear the next days schedule. A lot of cloths are going to get dirty was a mental note i made to myself as i retired to bed that night. I got up as early as 7a.m the next day(7 is still early for some people alright?I will not accept any comments here :P). I went down with a heavy heart telling and re-telling myself that famous dialogue from Spiderman "With great power comes great responsibility" for enough motivation to clean the bike. Now, I have no ONR, no cleaner, nothing, I just have a microfibre cloth and a bucket of water, and a polisher that does exactly what its name says, POLISH. I set upon the Herculean task of getting rid of all the muck and mud, but it didn't take long before i realized, this method is just not going to fly. It needed a high pressure water wash, atleast underneath the body. I went on a search to find a good bike wash place, but to no avail, I came to know that people don't wake up that early, not on a sunday atleast. I ended up after a lot of esquiring at a auto/lorry/car wash. I dreaded the very idea. Hence, i expressed my legitimate concern about the sensors, to which he heeded and handed me the hose. I stood a good 5 feet from the bike, sprayed the whole underbody, got rid of the muck, and the engine too. He still charged me 70 rupees, the damn cheater, but then I didn't care. Everything except the body was clean, note that clean != shiny and I want it to be the latter. I came back home and cleaned the watermarks made by the water splashing onto the body however careful I was against that happening. I spent a good 4 hours 10a.m to 2p.m just cleaning and polishing the bike. I applied the polisher with a sponge and rubbed it for the shine, with hospital cotton,(thats what the label says, finest quality). MY hands went numb somewhere in the middle of this entire process, but i persevered and to good avail. I stood back for 5 mins just looking at my work and admiring, and that was when I felt, it's totally worth it. I went to sleep a happy man again, only to realize, life is but a blissful illusion. I have a habit of checking everything from tyre pressure to brake fluid level, to engine oil level,to coolant level and chain condition everyday morning. This tuesday was no different, but I saw initial signs of rusting on the chain, not on the inside, but the outside has started to rust, and rubbing it with any cloth or even hand for that matter makes it go away, But that's the last thing i expected. I kicked myself for letting them get away with not having a lube. It was too early for any of the service centers to tend to my bike. So with a heavy heart, I drove the Nimbus to my office, and let it stand there until the afternoon, when i decided enough is enough and rode to the nearest HONDA Service Center(yup, the dreaded Kun Honda Adyar). As it turns out, the service manager is not in-line with everyone else out there, that meaning he was sensible. He asked me to take it back to the service center where it was serviced to get it corrected. I told him iam not planning to claim warranty or a replacement, which I will if the need arises, but right now I am looking for an immediate solution, so just clean my chain, lube it and give it to me. He agreed and told me I will have to pay. I promptly agreed and away it went into the basement. The bike came back 20 mins later, the chain gleaming(well not literally, but it was back to normal color). The rust was completely gone, like it was never there. My peace of mind was back. But if, in a remote case that it does come back, I am going to go and claim a new bloody chain and reek havoc until one has been ordered. The service manager took the bike for a little spin, I donot understand their fetish with the bike, but it's understandable even though they had just lubed my chain, for 105 rupees, which would obviously have no impact on the performance, for which they were neither responsible nor liable.

Overall, it has been a good full 2 weeks since I have got her home, and there isn't a second I have regretted my decision. Obviously there are areas i expect it to perform better, and that expectation is much less met when it comes to the people in question(namely the Honda technicians and the whole gang they got).Now the big question still remains. Is my bike capable enough to break the 150kmph barrier or will it max out at 135?? Frankly, right now, I DONT GIVE A DAMN!! First of all because, Indian roads are not laid for 150kmph and even if it does get there, it will always just remain a figure on paper,a number in your xbhp profile under "fastest speed attained", a memory, but not something i really need it to do. Is it expected to achieve it? YES, Absolutely Yes, but do i need it to do that? No, not really.For me,the time and performance of it as it reaches the 135kmph which in my humble opinion is the maximum we would need for our roads, is far more important than what it can do whilst coughing its nuts and bolts out. But then again,that's just me. All i am saying is, I am not really bothered about the figures and numbers as long as the bike keeps me satisfied, The last thing i want is to lose my piece of mind,over something I would probably never use. I am realistic, and I am reasonable enough to understand that just because i paid twice * pulsar, i should get, twice * acceleration, twice * respect at ASC, twice * 130kmph. Not everything is linearly proportional is what i mean to say. To someone who has made it here, without skipping, Congratulations, and Thank you . Suggestions are always welcome ofcourse.

Lol!!! Positive outlook has got nothing towards working anywhere Xionite. You see mind does amazing things; when you start thinking about something, the mind believes it, when the mind start believing, one starts experiencing it. So if one start thinking C250R is bad, then no matter what happens things keep going wrong on it. I just don't want to hear negative things, I like to stay positive so that things keep happening positive around me

Lol

Yup; that's what I was trying to convey; do we have a choice though?

Next time, tell them that Aargee is your friend in the community & has the bill from ASC. If anything were done during the service, it was done by the ASC. and remember, Aargee gave his bike to service after consulting with the head of JSP's ASC. If it weren't a genuine issue, then why did HMSI offer to replace the complete engine block?

Not anything that I know off; IIRC, even MvAgusta & Ducati had recalls. Sadly recalls are something in Indian automotive industry that will take several years for us to see in effect.

Change what? Just follow owner's manual!!!

You can change anything from the front wheel to rear tail lamp, if you can source the parts & have the money hehe

Buy both of them...NOW!!!

wht a post...thx sai......its the first time im reading tht honda folks did a gud j0b with the CBR!!! ofcourse with a little NUDGE!!!
@xxbomber-i didn't say a word to the mechs..my friends read the thread and all they did was check on it!!.....ofcourse honda will denai..and thn i know for a fact posts tht are put up here are true to a point tht its believable...and honda should KNOW whts being said abt thm....in the biking community.....ITS A BIG PR thing coz members of XBHP(ppl like u and me) and its like promotes,criticise and judges their probucts and services.....and soo on!!

I hope that was meant in a good way

Thank YOU sir, for reading it. and it might not necessarily be the first time, some owners might just be mute from pure satisfaction . On a serious note, they have a lot more to improve, and i feel it will happen with time. The only thing that left me disappointed from the service is the un-lubed chain, and such things should NOT happen.

Lol !!! You went 100 Kms away for a service & thought it was better? You could've gone to Didar T.Ngr who employs a mech who worked on R1 or JSP AN who employs a mech with certainly a good long term experience as well as experience with C250R. So no shivering or imperfection business

PS - You used this forum effectively to know how bad Kun Adyar, while you might've skipped noticing who else are better in Chennai.

Sir, I went there for many reasons,
1.My registration is still not done, I was hoping they would give me a definite timeline
2.As i mentioned in the post,my tank had scratches and I hoped they would take care of it.
3.I did call up Didar T nagar and he told me "sir leave the bike here in the morning and collect it in the evening" . Now that wasn't acceptable. I wanted to be physically present when the bike was being serviced.

Now all the three, i felt then would be addressed by going to Kanchipuram and hence I did. And i did meticulously follow up with you in pm about Didar T nagar did i not? My next service is going to be done at Didar T nagar though, just to get a comprehensive comparison, which again is if they allow me to stay there while my bike is serviced. I expect them to understand that If iam willing to stand beside my bike for 8 hours straight, then they should probably allow me stand beside it?

Keep us posted