Since '02 xBhp is different things to different people. From a close knit national community of bikers to India's only motorcycling lifestyle magazine and a place to make like-minded biker friends. Join us

Castrol Power 1

Keep your helmet tightly strapped up.

Our Partner

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

    Well lets hope that through the escalating crisis Bajaj is facing here in the Philippines that some one will become cognizant of the problem and get the right seals or properly engineered parts here quickly. no skin off my nose yet, but If I experience this failure, there will be accountability.

    Comment


    • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

      Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_2614.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	88.3 KB
ID:	1911164

      Bottom mounting of mono-shock lowered by 15mm. The red dot shows original mounting height. The tail end has gone down by around 60mm now (!)
      Pros: Increased stability, wife can get on the bike easier
      Cons: Ground clearance less by 15mm. Gap between wheel (mudguard) and body has reduced, but has not bottomed out even under worst conditions

      ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----

      Originally posted by JDD View Post
      This is an alert, and a general inquiry, and also a complaint if you will have it.

      The 200 NS was released in the Philippines about November 2014. since that time there have been numerous (some calculate over 60% affected) incidents of coolant mixing with the oil in the crankcase. these cases have been documented by the Naked Wolves group in the Philippines. There has been much speculation as to why the single seal between the water pump impeller shaft and crankcase have repeatedly failed. Kawasaki Bajaj is repairing these instances at no charge but some are getting second third and fourth failures. there has been no recall, no word of advice forthcoming from Kawasaki Bajaj on what the problem is and what might be the reason. there have been ideas ranging from defective seal, to improper installation of the seal to defective spindles and bearings being installed in the Philippine export models. Interestingly to me, there seem to have been no cases of this in the other markets? India or south America. Is this true?

      The kawasaki story is that the seals were improperly installed at the factory, but if this were true then why repeated occurrences on the same bike after service center repair? I suspect a deeper problem and unless Bajaj or Kawasaki can resolve this issue I fear the 200 NS will fail in the Philippines. The problem is not going away.
      Is it a design flaw? shoddy assembly or purposeful marketing of second quality parts to an export market?
      Most liquid cooled motorcycles have two seals between the water pump and the crankcase, when and if the first mechanical seal fails, it serves as a warning to service the seals BEFORE coolant mixes with the oil. In the case of the 200 Ns there is only one seal provided, so if it fails on the road you risk ruining the engine.
      since the 200 NS shares the bottom end with the Duke 200, its odd that only the 200 NS exported to the Philippines has this issue.
      anyway it is all over the forums and Facebook pages here.

      Any incidents in India?
      I don't know if there is only one seal used in Phil, but we in India have two seals on the model here. One inside the RH crankcase and one outside it, on the shaft driving the pump rotor (impeller). The drawing in the spare parts catalogue confirms it. CRANKCASE RH, P.19 and P.20, Part number of the seal is JG 6010 07, Qty is 2.

      Comment


      • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

        Originally posted by JDD View Post
        This is an alert, and a general inquiry, and also a complaint if you will have it.

        The 200 NS was released in the Philippines about November 2014. since that time there have been numerous (some calculate over 60% affected) incidents of coolant mixing with the oil in the crankcase. these cases have been documented by the Naked Wolves group in the Philippines. There has been much speculation as to why the single seal between the water pump impeller shaft and crankcase have repeatedly failed. Kawasaki Bajaj is repairing these instances at no charge but some are getting second third and fourth failures. there has been no recall, no word of advice forthcoming from Kawasaki Bajaj on what the problem is and what might be the reason. there have been ideas ranging from defective seal, to improper installation of the seal to defective spindles and bearings being installed in the Philippine export models. Interestingly to me, there seem to have been no cases of this in the other markets? India or south America. Is this true?

        The kawasaki story is that the seals were improperly installed at the factory, but if this were true then why repeated occurrences on the same bike after service center repair? I suspect a deeper problem and unless Bajaj or Kawasaki can resolve this issue I fear the 200 NS will fail in the Philippines. The problem is not going away.
        Is it a design flaw? shoddy assembly or purposeful marketing of second quality parts to an export market?
        Most liquid cooled motorcycles have two seals between the water pump and the crankcase, when and if the first mechanical seal fails, it serves as a warning to service the seals BEFORE coolant mixes with the oil. In the case of the 200 Ns there is only one seal provided, so if it fails on the road you risk ruining the engine.
        since the 200 NS shares the bottom end with the Duke 200, its odd that only the 200 NS exported to the Philippines has this issue.
        anyway it is all over the forums and Facebook pages here.

        Any incidents in India?
        60% bikes is quite surprising as export vehicles are usually made of superior components in general.

        Looks like Bajaj is doing a better job in India than Kawasaki in the Philippines.

        Comment


        • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

          Hey guys,

          My low beam isn't working since yesterday.
          Only high beam is working that too I am feeling is too low.

          Could anyone tell me what is the exact problem.

          If it's a kaput bulb...which would be the best replacement with maximum light some night breaker or smthng I had read somewhere.

          Pls help me out guys

          Sent from my HTC One_M8

          Comment


          • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

            I have started to feel the bike a bit sluggish not rev happy ..have got it tuned soo many times..got carb checked..
            What could be the issue...Still soo confused

            Sent from my HTC One_M8

            Comment


            • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

              Originally posted by Exattic View Post
              60% bikes is quite surprising as export vehicles are usually made of superior components in general.

              Looks like Bajaj is doing a better job in India than Kawasaki in the Philippines.
              except the bikes are all made in India by BAJAJ aren't they.

              ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----

              Originally posted by krixna View Post
              ]

              I don't know if there is only one seal used in Phil, but we in India have two seals on the model here. One inside the RH crankcase and one outside it, on the shaft driving the pump rotor (impeller). The drawing in the spare parts catalogue confirms it. CRANKCASE RH, P.19 and P.20, Part number of the seal is JG 6010 07, Qty is 2.
              Yes I have the parts manual and saw it, but I missed the fact that there are 2. I was looking more at the service manual, and it is not clearly indicated there that the quantity is two, now it makes me feel better that there are two seals, but I also now realize that Kawasaki/Bajaj here in the Philippines is only replacing the outer seal upon failure which does not solve the problem, they are avoiding the expense of splitting the crankcase to do a proper repair and replacing both seals. sometimes it takes two sets of eyes.

              ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----

              Comment


              • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

                Originally posted by krixna View Post
                [ATTACH]181915[/ATTACH]

                Bottom mounting of mono-shock lowered by 15mm. The red dot shows original mounting height. The tail end has gone down by around 60mm now (!)
                Pros: Increased stability, wife can get on the bike easier
                Cons: Ground clearance less by 15mm. Gap between wheel (mudguard) and body has reduced, but has not bottomed out even under worst conditions

                ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----



                I don't know if there is only one seal used in Phil, but we in India have two seals on the model here. One inside the RH crankcase and one outside it, on the shaft driving the pump rotor (impeller). The drawing in the spare parts catalogue confirms it. CRANKCASE RH, P.19 and P.20, Part number of the seal is JG 6010 07, Qty is 2.
                Coolant mixing with oil happened with me once. Couldn't notice till I found fan getting switched on damn frequently.

                Sent from my A0001 using xBhp Connect mobile app

                Comment


                • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

                  Originally posted by JDD View Post
                  except the bikes are all made in India by BAJAJ aren't they.

                  ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----



                  Yes I have the parts manual and saw it, but I missed the fact that there are 2. I was looking more at the service manual, and it is not clearly indicated there that the quantity is two, now it makes me feel better that there are two seals, but I also now realize that Kawasaki/Bajaj here in the Philippines is only replacing the outer seal upon failure which does not solve the problem, they are avoiding the expense of splitting the crankcase to do a proper repair and replacing both seals. sometimes it takes two sets of eyes.

                  ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----
                  Usually, a small hole is drilled in the crankcase (or a hole is made during casting itself) in the space between the two seals, and this small opening connects the space between the two seals to the outside world (through a channel in the crankcase or water pump housing, depending on the design). This is done in most of the cars and liquid cooled bikes. Advantage is, you can see the coolant drip out from under the crankcase when the coolant seal fails. Plus, it does not mess up the other seal and no chance of mixing with oil. This can be done in our bike too, but unfortunately is not done in production.

                  Sent from my CRXT 1125Q using xBhp Connect mobile app

                  Comment


                  • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

                    This is what happens when you leave your bike with svc to change the seals ..

                    Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20150514_095831.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	99.4 KB
ID:	1911172

                    that mechanic stupidly welded a nut at the end of the shaft for no good reason and now i am stuck with jammed sprocket (wont come of the spindle) and chain kit worth 2500 lying around

                    For now going to keep it like this i am shifting to Bangalore in a few days time will have to get it done from there
                    If anyone has a quick diy or solution to this would be appreciated
                    sigpic

                    Who needs a stereo when you've got a throttle ? :p

                    Comment


                    • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

                      Originally posted by vivek7593 View Post
                      This is what happens when you leave your bike with svc to change the seals ..

                      [ATTACH]181924[/ATTACH]

                      that mechanic stupidly welded a nut at the end of the shaft for no good reason and now i am stuck with jammed sprocket (wont come of the spindle) and chain kit worth 2500 lying around

                      For now going to keep it like this i am shifting to Bangalore in a few days time will have to get it done from there
                      If anyone has a quick diy or solution to this would be appreciated
                      Neatly welded, however. If you remove those two bolts and turn that plate 15 degrees, it (and the sprocket) will come off. Hope the welding has not touched that plate. If it has, :banghead:

                      Sent from my CRXT 1125Q using xBhp Connect mobile app

                      Comment


                      • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

                        Originally posted by krixna View Post
                        Usually, a small hole is drilled in the crankcase (or a hole is made during casting itself) in the space between the two seals, and this small opening connects the space between the two seals to the outside world (through a channel in the crankcase or water pump housing, depending on the design). This is done in most of the cars and liquid cooled bikes. Advantage is, you can see the coolant drip out from under the crankcase when the coolant seal fails. Plus, it does not mess up the other seal and no chance of mixing with oil. This can be done in our bike too, but unfortunately is not done in production.

                        Sent from my CRXT 1125Q using xBhp Connect mobile app
                        Yes, Every other water cooled bike I had contained two seals with a weep hole for purposes of warning you on the failure of the first seal before coolant leaks into the crankcase. Normally you just need to pull the clutch/water pump housing of to replace either seal. the 200 NS is not well designed in this regard, or should I say KTM, since the bottom ends are nearly identical. I don't know how you would go about retrofitting a drain hole, sounds like a major job, if at all possible. If it were a simple job of drilling a straight hole somehow from the seal location to the outside world it would not be hard once you ripped the engine apart.

                        Comment


                        • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

                          Originally posted by krixna View Post
                          Neatly welded, however. If you remove those two bolts and turn that plate 15 degrees, it (and the sprocket) will come off. Hope the welding has not touched that plate. If it has, :banghead:

                          Sent from my CRXT 1125Q using xBhp Connect mobile app
                          Neatly it looks in photo bro..
                          The welding has touched the locking plate from 3 places .. Yes i know the plate has to be removed for removing sprocket 🙈🙈

                          Sent from my AO5510 using xBhp Connect mobile app
                          sigpic

                          Who needs a stereo when you've got a throttle ? :p

                          Comment


                          • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

                            Originally posted by vivek7593 View Post
                            Neatly it looks in photo bro..
                            The welding has touched the locking plate from 3 places .. Yes i know the plate has to be removed for removing sprocket 🙈🙈

                            Sent from my AO5510 using xBhp Connect mobile app
                            Go to the service centre and blast the manager. Only option left

                            Sent from my CRXT 1125Q using xBhp Connect mobile app

                            Comment


                            • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

                              Originally posted by nikzcool View Post
                              Hey guys,

                              My low beam isn't working since yesterday.
                              Only high beam is working that too I am feeling is too low.

                              Could anyone tell me what is the exact problem.

                              If it's a kaput bulb...which would be the best replacement with maximum light some night breaker or smthng I had read somewhere.

                              Pls help me out guys

                              Sent from my HTC One_M8


                              Any help here guys

                              Sent from my HTC One_M8

                              Comment


                              • Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

                                Originally posted by nikzcool View Post
                                Any help here guys

                                Sent from my HTC One_M8
                                Normal halogen bulbs are the best for everyday use. Philips 60/55W H4 is a good one. Get your headlight adjusted after that, so that high beam falls on the road around 50 metres away from you

                                Sent from my CRXT 1125Q using xBhp Connect mobile app

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X