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**Satellite.kid** · 06-18-2015, 01:56 AM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by krixna View Post

You do have a point there. And to be honest, I have not ridden a bike with ABS, so I have not compared anything. But cars, many models. And I have always felt the panic, rubber burning braking distance is less than that for ABS. See, I live in Kochi, Kerala. We have only around 120 days in a year when it does not rain! So I think your statement of gravel and wet roads applies to me. For dry tarmac, I think I can agree with what you said

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As you said that you haven't ridden a motorcycle with ABS. And you're simply negating ABS's advantages on a motorcycle based on your experience with ABS in cars! Trust me, we need ABS in motorcycles much more than we need it in cars! Secondly, it's not necessary that the stopping distance with ABS is always greater on gravel/wet roads. It can be though.

Tell me something, would you prefer to have your motorcycle wheels locked under panic braking or would you rather prefer to have better control of your bike so that you could steer it safely? Your choice. After all, panic braking isn't always done to come to a halt, it's also done to avoid and eventually steer clear of a person/vehicle/pothole on the road, right?.. Just saying.

**A5H15H** · 06-18-2015, 03:49 AM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Hi fellow bikers,

I have a few questions:

1) My Sept 2012 NS has completed 36000KMS. I am planning to replace all 3 spark plugs on the bike (they have never been changed...I know I should've changed them earlier). Can anyone suggest if Iridium Spark plugs are good for the NS? If yes, please let me know which Brand would you suggest along with specs/model number of the plug if available.

2) I'm also planning to change the stock headlamp bulb with either an Osram or a Phillips Extreme. Can anyone who has used one of em suggest which one performs better?

3) As with most NS's (don't know about the current crop though) my fairing tends to sing a lot. I have asked the service center guys a zillion times if they can fit rubber grommets and they have (consistently) given me pathetic, disinterested and negative answers. Can anyone suggest any grommet kit (if it exists at all) or any other way to reduce the fairing noise? I have tried using double tape but it hasn't made a lot of difference.

4) After being side-swiped by a Police Towing Van, I had a bent from disc brake which I got replaced from the Service Center. Ever since the new Disc has been installed, the brake seems to have become 'jerky'. The brake pressure is uneven and clearly noticeable under heavy braking at low speeds. Again, the SVC guys are clueless or don't want to help as they are too busy fobbing other customers off. Can this 'jerk'iness be caused due to air in the system? Can the new disc be slightly bent? Is there something wrong with the Caliper or is the front rim bent? Any clues?

Any help/leads would be appreciated.
Thanks

PS: MODS- Please accept my apologies if this isn't the right forum or if the same questions may have been asked by others.

**jbm_guy** · 06-18-2015, 11:26 AM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by krixna View Post

Bro, if ABS is made mandatory, no 150+ cc performance oriented bike will sell under 1 lakh. So, manufacturers give it as a higher end option. I have made good stops in all road conditions on my NS. But that is when I have a bit of anticipation of what comes up in front. And one time in panic (braking rules dont apply

), I screeched the tyres on the road, burnt rubber, and stopped the bike a foot short of a car in front. Now...if I had ABS, tyres would not have rubbed on the road, I would not have burnt rubber, and I would have crashed into the car. So, is ABS the final word in safety? No. It is how we apply brakes. But if you dont get any time at all, say, like a guy walking across the road suddenly, it is fate. Even ABS cant help you.

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yeah you are right, but all those cautious driving goes zero when on panic braking. The point that I'm pressing here is that with ABS, it could prevent you from losing control, but may not stop you soon. You can predict the upcoming car or an overpassing car, but you can't predict Indian roads or dogs

. The moment when I felt skidding, It felt like a hell, because the roads further were nothing but full or patch works and bumps. For if I hadn't recovered, that would've been a severe crash onto the nearby trees, it was a single lane country side road. Maybe I should've preferred some good helmet with transparent visibility and ofcourse driven slowly

. However point is mainly speed breakers\bumps\potholes are the worst enemy rather than a car, because our country's country side roads are never predictable. After that incident every single time when I apply brakes, I've been very cautious about not locking the rear, coz front has never ever locked except on gravel. Anyway, It's a good to have, since we don't have it and there is no possibility to add on, so better learn to drive without that...

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Originally posted by lnagr View Post

out of curiosity checked 2nd hand NS prices on olx. damn, bike has low resale value . you can get one in good condition for 50-60k easily.

as for average , i am getting 35 on my NS.

That's the point. With 200NS getting zeroing production, the price can even come down

**vivek7593** · 06-18-2015, 11:28 AM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by A5H15H View Post

Hi fellow bikers,

I have a few questions:

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2) I'm also planning to change the stock headlamp bulb with either an Osram or a Phillips Extreme. Can anyone who has used one of em suggest which one performs better?

4) After being side-swiped by a Police Towing Van, I had a bent from disc brake which I got replaced from the Service Center. Ever since the new Disc has been installed, the brake seems to have become 'jerky'. The brake pressure is uneven and clearly noticeable under heavy braking at low speeds. Again, the SVC guys are clueless or don't want to help as they are too busy fobbing other customers off. Can this 'jerk'iness be caused due to air in the system? Can the new disc be slightly bent? Is there something wrong with the Caliper or is the front rim bent? Any clues?

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1. Use Philips Extreme
2. Bleed your brake .. There are chances of air being trapped inside the line .. Or the master cylinder itself ..

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**rachitsharma2000** · 06-18-2015, 11:52 AM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by krixna View Post

You do have a point there. And to be honest, I have not ridden a bike with ABS, so I have not compared anything. But cars, many models. And I have always felt the panic, rubber burning braking distance is less than that for ABS. See, I live in Kochi, Kerala. We have only around 120 days in a year when it does not rain! So I think your statement of gravel and wet roads applies to me. For dry tarmac, I think I can agree with what you said

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Sorry mate, but you got it wrong there. While skidding, friction is always less than while rolling. There are two types of friction forces: static and kynatic. When skids, it is the kinetic friction which comes into picture. And kinetic friction coefficient < static friction coefficient. So, kinetic friction < static friction. So, distance while skidding > distance while rolling.

Static & Kinetic Friction

The ABS will have lower stopping distance in both dry and wet roads. Only condition it could have a higher stopping distance in on loose gravel.

I was in Kerala for 4 years and the combination of rain + KSRTC buses make a deadly combo on roads. On such conditions, it is always better to have a ABS enabled bike.

**krixna** · 06-18-2015, 12:21 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by rachitsharma2000 View Post

Sorry mate, but you got it wrong there. While skidding, friction is always less than while rolling. There are two types of friction forces: static and kynatic. When skids, it is the kinetic friction which comes into picture. And kinetic friction coefficient < static friction coefficient. So, kinetic friction < static friction. So, distance while skidding > distance while rolling.
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Rubber burning is under extreme friction with a heavy load on the wheel. Cant be compared to skidding. Skidding leaves marks on the road, but doesnt smoke your tyres.

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**krixna** · 06-18-2015, 12:55 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post

As you said that you haven't ridden a motorcycle with ABS. And you're simply negating ABS's advantages on a motorcycle based on your experience with ABS in cars! Trust me, we need ABS in motorcycles much more than we need it in cars! Secondly, it's not necessary that the stopping distance with ABS is always greater on gravel/wet roads. It can be though.

Tell me something, would you prefer to have your motorcycle wheels locked under panic braking or would you rather prefer to have better control of your bike so that you could steer it safely? Your choice. After all, panic braking isn't always done to come to a halt, it's also done to avoid and eventually steer clear of a person/vehicle/pothole on the road, right?.. Just saying.

Skidding is different from braking hard and burning rubber (rubber burning and smoking tyres is not skidding, exactly, although wheels stop rolling). And trust me, distance while you burn rubber is less than the distance when you do not. May make the difference between whether you crash into the vehicle in front or not. Ok now don't say I'm telling a car story, just saying: my friend crashed his Vista into the back of a bus. His reaction was like "damn! Even my maruti800 would have screeched and stopped. But here I just kept going, even when I stood on the brake. The pedal kept pulsing like releasing the pressure...no screeching...and bang!" So much for ABS. Or for the particular ABS in that car. Maybe a BMW would have stopped short.

But with ABS, maybe we can control and steer clear of whatever without skidding like you said, maybe we need not come to a stop at all! Point taken

Now I have to ride a bike with ABS and find out...

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**krixna** · 06-18-2015, 01:22 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by A5H15H View Post

Hi fellow bikers,

I have a few questions:

1) My Sept 2012 NS has completed 36000KMS. I am planning to replace all 3 spark plugs on the bike (they have never been changed...I know I should've changed them earlier). Can anyone suggest if Iridium Spark plugs are good for the NS? If yes, please let me know which Brand would you suggest along with specs/model number of the plug if available.

2) I'm also planning to change the stock headlamp bulb with either an Osram or a Phillips Extreme. Can anyone who has used one of em suggest which one performs better?

3) As with most NS's (don't know about the current crop though) my fairing tends to sing a lot. I have asked the service center guys a zillion times if they can fit rubber grommets and they have (consistently) given me pathetic, disinterested and negative answers. Can anyone suggest any grommet kit (if it exists at all) or any other way to reduce the fairing noise? I have tried using double tape but it hasn't made a lot of difference.

4) After being side-swiped by a Police Towing Van, I had a bent from disc brake which I got replaced from the Service Center. Ever since the new Disc has been installed, the brake seems to have become 'jerky'. The brake pressure is uneven and clearly noticeable under heavy braking at low speeds. Again, the SVC guys are clueless or don't want to help as they are too busy fobbing other customers off. Can this 'jerk'iness be caused due to air in the system? Can the new disc be slightly bent? Is there something wrong with the Caliper or is the front rim bent? Any clues?

Any help/leads would be appreciated.
Thanks

PS: MODS- Please accept my apologies if this isn't the right forum or if the same questions may have been asked by others.

Many people in this thread have posted good opinions about Nightbreaker and Extreme. I don't have any idea of those, I already upgraded wiring and stuff, and am using a Hella Rally 100/90W. Maybe I should try 100/90 Nightbreaker next

For singing, I have used the tube (from car tyre). Stick two or three layers together, according to thickness required. Don't use superglue. It will ruin plastic. Use rubber based adhesive, like the one used for tube punctures. Brakes...air can be the cause. Or due to improper fitting of a perfectly fine disc. This happens when you don't tighten the six screws holding the disc evenly. The disc will not be in the same alignment as the wheel/brake pads if this happens. Also check if your wheel has developed a slight wobble after the crash

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**optiprime** · 06-18-2015, 03:03 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Does anyone heard of mechanical abs..here is the link
http://**********.in/after-market-abs/

**jbm_guy** · 06-18-2015, 04:17 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by srisathiyan89 View Post

Yes you can expect 35kmpl for sure.

one more thing.... NS vs Duke --> not that much different bro. NS is having super mid range punch.. Duke is not having mid range, it has all its magic in lower rpms. .. you cross 6000rpm in NS and see what is NS is capable of.. duke will run our of juice...but NS will still have in mid and higher ranges..

I took test drive of both bikes and selected NS over duke for 3 reason.
1. NS is more matured and mass looking bike than DUKE(i am 5.8ft and oly 55 kg, people asked me to go for Duke but still i loved NS for its look)
2. VFM - NS is more value for money compared to Duke(I Chose NS over Duke even though i had enough budget for Duke)
3. I am not person who do 100KM/h in city.. i drive between50-80KM/h in city. In highway i hit 100-110. NS is master in that area. Its more faster than duke and there only midrange and high end rpms comes into picture.

Why not to buy NS?
only 2 reasons,
1. Weight of the bike even though KTM duke 390 weight is same as NS it will feel like you are driving splendor that much weightless.
Duke 200 will be feather light but NS is little heavy compared to other bikes of same weight. You will feel the weight in hands for sure- 200%( i am lean but still i can handle NS like any other bike.. eventually you will get used to the bike.. when i can handle NS with my weight why not others?)
2. Stupid/poor bajaj service engineers

Yeah for the mileage, you sure can reach those figures. Duke is good for short range trips and as well as for more fun in city. I did few small rides in my colleagues bike (He didn't give it to me more than that

). I felt the engines less viby, and quickly reaching to max at each gear and just floats in air (After riding NS, I say the word "float"), even better confidence on cornering, and that's it. But however, for the longer run, and at high speed stability + cruising, bike looks, mileage and the taller gears, NS IS WAY AHEAD. I did a 200KM trip recently, and NS was a bliss to ride even in poor country roads with bumps and potholes.

There is one thing I like in NS the most "SHE IS A SILENT KILLER", whereas "DUKE IS A BRUTAL MURDERER", I like the silent killer like a Tiger...

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Originally posted by optiprime View Post

Does anyone heard of mechanical abs..here is the link
http://**********.in/after-market-abs/

Mechanical ABS reviews are not ear pleasing, while some say it helps 2-3 times, but many complain about the lack of brake punch, as it simply prevents 100% brake pressure to maybe 90%?, but I hope adding this to the rear might be a bit useful at times, to alleviate panic braking situations. But I'm not dared to try.

**rachitsharma2000** · 06-18-2015, 05:25 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by krixna View Post

Rubber burning is under extreme friction with a heavy load on the wheel. Cant be compared to skidding. Skidding leaves marks on the road, but doesnt smoke your tyres.

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Can you please explain how exactly "Rubber burning" is achieved if vehicle is not skidding? From what I know, if panic braking is applied the bike simply skids. Please share how you achieve rubber burning during the event of panic braking.

**krixna** · 06-18-2015, 05:42 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by rachitsharma2000 View Post

Can you please explain how exactly "Rubber burning" is achieved if vehicle is not skidding? From what I know, if panic braking is applied the bike simply skids. Please share how you achieve rubber burning during the event of panic braking.

It happens if you brake in a straight line. If the back wheel comes out of the line, it skids

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**rachitsharma2000** · 06-18-2015, 05:48 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by krixna View Post

Ok now don't say I'm telling a car story, just saying: my friend crashed his Vista into the back of a bus. His reaction was like "damn! Even my maruti800 would have screeched and stopped. But here I just kept going, even when I stood on the brake. The pedal kept pulsing like releasing the pressure...no screeching...and bang!" So much for ABS. Or for the particular ABS in that car. Maybe a BMW would have stopped short.

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I don't know about other riders' experiance but I have experienced ABS effect myself a week back. I was behind a car and there was a Pulsar 220 besides me. The car in front braked hard. I braked hard. The P220 braked hard. I stopped inches behind the car but the P220 rammed into it. This is directly against the evidence from your experience.

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Originally posted by krixna View Post

It happens if you brake in a straight line. If the back wheel comes out of the line, it skids

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Even if the back wheel is in straight line, it is still skidding. It could be named anything but essentially it is skidding and the text posted earlier is applicable.

While skidding, friction is always less than while rolling. There are two types of friction forces: static and kynatic. When skids, it is the kinetic friction which comes into picture. And kinetic friction coefficient < static friction coefficient. So, kinetic friction < static friction. So, distance while skidding > distance while rolling.

**krixna** · 06-18-2015, 09:13 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by rachitsharma2000 View Post

I don't know about other riders' experiance but I have experienced ABS effect myself a week back. I was behind a car and there was a Pulsar 220 besides me. The car in front braked hard. I braked hard. The P220 braked hard. I stopped inches behind the car but the P220 rammed into it. This is directly against the evidence from your experience.

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Even if the back wheel is in straight line, it is still skidding. It could be named anything but essentially it is skidding and the text posted earlier is applicable.

While skidding, friction is always less than while rolling. There are two types of friction forces: static and kynatic. When skids, it is the kinetic friction which comes into picture. And kinetic friction coefficient < static friction coefficient. So, kinetic friction < static friction. So, distance while skidding > distance while rolling.

What if the front tyre is skidding in straight line? Dry tarmac. Just asking

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**rachitsharma2000** · 06-19-2015, 12:20 AM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by krixna View Post

What if the front tyre is skidding in straight line? Dry tarmac. Just asking

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Same dynamics. If the front tyre starts skidding, it will be even more difficult to control + braking distance is more as the more potent front brakes are the one not performing now. A perfect recipe for disaster. This is the precise reason why single channel ABS in RS is offered in front brakes, not in rear brakes.

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