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**jbm_guy** · 06-19-2015, 12:01 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by rachitsharma2000 View Post

Same dynamics. If the front tyre starts skidding, it will be even more difficult to control + braking distance is more as the more potent front brakes are the one not performing now. A perfect recipe for disaster. This is the precise reason why single channel ABS in RS is offered in front brakes, not in rear brakes.

Exactly. Front lock is very risky and one can't recover even if brake is released, but the rear can be controllable to some extend. But one more thing, locking up of front doesn't happen always except in wet tarmac or in gravel. Rear locks soon because of the weight imbalance at braking. So the common cases with wheel locks are the rear that's because of panic braking, with legs riding on the brakes, it triggers out brain to reach out first and then to hand. It takes some time for the brain to trigger the hand to release the throttle and go for brakes. I've experienced many times and couldn't overcome this effect, maybe it's just me

. So whenever I get past a truck\pothole\bump\traffic, I get use to move two fingers on to the front brake in advance, which helps a lot. But this won't hold true for unexpected

. Some experts can suggest some tips

my experience : Front never locked on tarmac till date even at maximum pressure, except on gravel many times, whereas rear locked at any speeds above 20kmph when depressed more .

**Exattic** · 06-19-2015, 12:07 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by jbm_guy View Post

Exactly. Front lock is very risky and one can't recover even if brake is released, but the rear can be controllable to some extend. But one more thing, locking up of front doesn't happen always except in wet tarmac or in gravel. Rear locks soon because of the weight imbalance at braking. So the common cases with wheel locks are the rear that's because of panic braking, with legs riding on the brakes, it triggers out brain to reach out first and then to hand. It takes some time for the brain to trigger the hand to release the throttle and go for brakes. I've experienced many times and couldn't overcome this effect, maybe it's just me

. So whenever I get past a truck\pothole\bump\traffic, I get use to move two fingers on to the front brake in advance, which helps a lot. But this won't hold true for unexpected

. Some experts can suggest some tips

Braking should ideally be 90% front and 10% rear. Timing and pressure is crucial. And no, if done right neither will lock up.

**rachitsharma2000** · 06-19-2015, 12:44 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by Exattic View Post

Braking should ideally be 90% front and 10% rear. Timing and pressure is crucial. And no, if done right neither will lock up.

The problem is that while panic baking, it is very difficult to do it right. Hence, ABS where the sensors + control mechanism do it the right way.

**jbm_guy** · 06-19-2015, 01:43 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by Exattic View Post

Braking should ideally be 90% front and 10% rear. Timing and pressure is crucial. And no, if done right neither will lock up.

These rules don't apply under panic braking. Might it need lots of practice otherwise, but surely a person like me might take years to practice that

IMO

**vivek7593** · 06-19-2015, 01:48 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by krixna View Post

Skidding is different from braking hard and burning rubber (rubber burning and smoking tyres is not skidding, exactly, although wheels stop rolling). And trust me, distance while you burn rubber is less than the distance when you do not. May make the difference between whether you crash into the vehicle in front or not. Ok now don't say I'm telling a car story, just saying: my friend crashed his Vista into the back of a bus. His reaction was like "damn! Even my maruti800 would have screeched and stopped. But here I just kept going, even when I stood on the brake. The pedal kept pulsing like releasing the pressure...no screeching...and bang!" So much for ABS. Or for the particular ABS in that car. Maybe a BMW would have stopped short.

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You are wrong brother

I have experienced the same case ..
In our group there's a rc390 owner and a gixxer owner.. On ride ..a travera came in from left on a crossing 390 stopped as it should, without fishtailing or anything where as gixxer went into travera with screeching tyres .. Mind you gixxer guy was doing only 70 whereas the 390 guy was around 120 ..

See it depends on rider and his ability of judgment ... Abs present or not ..

Abs doesn't release all pressure it reduces to an extent where the wheel wont lock up ..
And in any situation rolling vehicle can be controlled whereas the screeching tyres you risk slipping

Dont think pulsing of brake lever means its releasing the pressure .. Its regulating it

Thats what i have learnt on 390's abs the cbr250r abs and rtr 180 abs .. Rtr and 390's abs is quite aggressive and is not smooth as cbr's

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**Exattic** · 06-19-2015, 01:50 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by jbm_guy View Post

These rules don't apply under panic braking. Might it need lots of practice otherwise, but surely a person like me might take years to practice that

IMO

I agree that ABS is safer. I'm trying to debunk the misconception that the rear brake is safer. I've seen a lot of people only use the rear and they are afraid to use the front.

Originally posted by rachitsharma2000 View Post

The problem is that while panic baking, it is very difficult to do it right. Hence, ABS where the sensors + control mechanism do it the right way.

**jbm_guy** · 06-19-2015, 02:01 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by Exattic View Post

I agree that ABS is safer. I'm trying to debunk the misconception that the rear brake is safer. I've seen a lot of people only use the rear and they are afraid to use the front.

hahaha.... Not using the rear only bro, the fact it it gets kicked first in panic situation. It may take it's time to get used to.

**krixna** · 06-19-2015, 02:14 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by Exattic View Post

I agree that ABS is safer. I'm trying to debunk the misconception that the rear brake is safer. I've seen a lot of people only use the rear and they are afraid to use the front.

Well, just yesterday night...my friend who has a cbr250, borrowed another friend's 200ns. It's raining heavily here, in kerala. He has the habit of braking late into corners. On one corner, unfortunately, a tree branch of decent size was on the road. Braked, skidded, crashed. Minor injuries to both rider and bike, thank god. Reason for crash? Not that the NS doesn't have abs. Problem is, he was used to pulling on the front brake as he pleases, his cbr's abs does the rest of the work. So all fellow bikers, please be careful if you own a bike WITH abs. Dont make 'braking as you please' a habit. Try to stick to the 60-40, 70-30, 80-20 or 90-10....whatever rule you follow, as much as possible. Let abs help you in unsafe situations. Don't let abs turn on every time you grab the brakes. It will become a habit you may have to repent later

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**Exattic** · 06-19-2015, 02:23 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by krixna View Post

Well, just yesterday night...my friend who has a cbr250, borrowed another friend's 200ns. It's raining heavily here, in kerala. He has the habit of braking late into corners. On one corner, unfortunately, a tree branch of decent size was on the road. Braked, skidded, crashed. Minor injuries to both rider and bike, thank god. Reason for crash? Not that the NS doesn't have abs. Problem is, he was used to pulling on the front brake as he pleases, his cbr's abs does the rest of the work. So all fellow bikers, please be careful if you own a bike with abs. Dont make 'braking as you please' a habit. Try to stick to the 60-40, 70-30, 80-20 or 90-10....whatever rule you follow, as much as possible. Let abs help you in unsafe situations. Don't let abs turn on every time you grab the brakes. It will become a habit you may have to repent later

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I totally agree! Having ABS, specially on one's first bike makes up for the need of developing braking skill.

Every time you hop on the bike, it's an opportunity to better your riding skills & the lesser dependent you are on technology the better.

**ankuu99** · 06-19-2015, 03:00 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Hello guys,
I noticed a thing.when my bike is in any gear and on center stand, I am not able to rotate my rear tyre after pulling the clutch. Neutral gear gives free rotation.

Is it normal?

**krixna** · 06-19-2015, 03:26 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by ankuu99 View Post

Hello guys,
I noticed a thing.when my bike is in any gear and on center stand, I am not able to rotate my rear tyre after pulling the clutch. Neutral gear gives free rotation.

Is it normal?

Clutch plates are not fully disengaging. Check free play of clutch lever. If it is more than 10mm, reduce it

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**jbm_guy** · 06-19-2015, 04:11 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by krixna View Post

Well, just yesterday night...my friend who has a cbr250, borrowed another friend's 200ns. It's raining heavily here, in kerala. He has the habit of braking late into corners. On one corner, unfortunately, a tree branch of decent size was on the road. Braked, skidded, crashed. Minor injuries to both rider and bike, thank god. Reason for crash? Not that the NS doesn't have abs. Problem is, he was used to pulling on the front brake as he pleases, his cbr's abs does the rest of the work. So all fellow bikers, please be careful if you own a bike with abs. Dont make 'braking as you please' a habit. Try to stick to the 60-40, 70-30, 80-20 or 90-10....whatever rule you follow, as much as possible. Let abs help you in unsafe situations. Don't let abs turn on every time you grab the brakes. It will become a habit you may have to repent later

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Another lesson learnt, Never give your bike to others

**ankuu99** · 06-19-2015, 04:43 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by krixna View Post

Clutch plates are not fully disengaging. Check free play of clutch lever. If it is more than 10mm, reduce it

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Hi Krishna,

I tried reducing the free play and everything but it is like that only, seems need to rush to service center tomorrow, before anything happens permanently.

**rachitsharma2000** · 06-19-2015, 04:59 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by Exattic View Post

I totally agree! Having ABS, specially on one's first bike makes up for the need of developing braking skill.

Every time you hop on the bike, it's an opportunity to better your riding skills & the lesser dependent you are on technology the better.

The trick here is don't make ABS work everytime. ABS starts functioning only when the tyre has just started to skid. So, in normal conditions make sure that ABS is not engaged. In other words, dont just apply brakes to max potential. Rather apply progressive braking. It has been more than 3 months I bought RS and the ABS were engaged only three or four times max.

**Divya Sharan** · 06-19-2015, 05:12 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS Owners Review and Experiences

Originally posted by ankuu99 View Post

Hello guys,
I noticed a thing.when my bike is in any gear and on center stand, I am not able to rotate my rear tyre after pulling the clutch. Neutral gear gives free rotation.

Is it normal?

Neutral is not equal to clutch pulled in gear. There will still be some drag from the wet clutch even though the lever is pulled in all the way!
But, if the resistance is too much; you should head to the SVC

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