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  • Originally posted by bond_007 View Post
    Yesterday i took my bike to service center.

    I had some problems:
    1. sound from front wheel ---- got rectified (guy cleaned the brakes with sandpaper).
    2. sound of vibration from the above headlight part of bike(dont know what its called) ---- sound started again
    3. False reserve --- when checked by the mechanic, came to know that my fuel T(as he said) was defective. it showed, off when was in reserve, on when off and so on. he himself was amazed to see that. --- no stock so he promised to change it later.
    4. Scratch on tank -- some days ago i was in a situation that i had to keep some goods on my tank. It resulted in scratches on tank ----- He applied some polish on it and it shined like new. but the scratches are still there.
    5. Mileage. My assumption approx 40-42 (the blinking of the fuel meter bar) --- he suggested to have 100 ml test (dont know it is accurate or not as the pipe will contain some fuel or so). I told him, get that fuel t and i will check R-R.
    6. Rusting of the fuel tank mouth ---- The manager (as supervisor rejected my complaint i went to mgr) said that it is normal and showed me his bike which contained rust too.

    Fellow gspians, please suggest,
    1. 100ml test is accurate or r-r method?
    2. What to do about rusting? He is not doing anything and telling me that it is normal???

    Please help.
    Today I took 100ml test for bike and it came up to be 42kmpl The chief mechanic(who was with me) also took the test and he got ~43kmpl(He was sure of getting 50+ with his driving ). I asked him for the remedy. He took it back to service center and said I am re-tuning the air setting for my bike. I was puzzled is it true that there are any air settings in bike??? It sounded weird but being a IT guy have no idea about it.

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    • Originally posted by bond_007 View Post
      Today I took 100ml test for bike and it came up to be 42kmpl The chief mechanic(who was with me) also took the test and he got ~43kmpl(He was sure of getting 50+ with his driving ). I asked him for the remedy. He took it back to service center and said I am re-tuning the air setting for my bike. I was puzzled is it true that there are any air settings in bike??? It sounded weird but being a IT guy have no idea about it.
      Its called carburetor tuning ! ... To adjust the amount of fuel-air mixture that engine gets .... its of two types -> lean (more air, less fuel => low power, high mileage) and rich (less air, more fuel => high power, low mileage) !

      EDIT: we have couple of threads on xBhp on this topic, I found these two
      1. http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/pit-stop...rburettor.html
      2. http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/universa...ce-tuning.html
      Last edited by Rony; 12-18-2010, 04:18 PM.
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      • Originally posted by Rony View Post
        Its called carburetor tuning ! ... To adjust the amount of fuel-air mixture that engine gets .... its of two types -> lean (more air, less fuel => low power, high mileage) and rich (less air, more fuel => high power, low mileage) !
        Lean mixture necessarily dont mean high mileage and rich mixture high power. There is only one optimum point where we get maximum mileage and power. This optimum point is not a single point but a range(since a single point cannot operate perfect in a wide range of engine rpm). In that range we can adjust to a little leaner, assuming engine revs will be lower and richer tweaked for more high end for desirable results depending on the style of running.
        Last edited by Anupdas; 12-18-2010, 06:04 PM.
        Well-trained reflexes are quicker than luck.........

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        • Originally posted by Anupdas View Post
          Lean mixture necessarily dont mean high mileage and rich mixture high power. There is only one optimum point where we get maximum mileage and power. This optimum point is not a single point but a range(since a single point cannot operate perfect in a wide range of engine rpm). In that range we can adjust to a little leaner, assuming engine revs will be lower and richer tweaked for more high end for desirable results depending on the style of running.
          hmm ... thanks for this insight .... mine was just a raw reply being another techie in biker's world
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          • Its a pleasure bro, we all are here to share our info . Its commendable that you gave reply to an old query.
            Well-trained reflexes are quicker than luck.........

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            • Originally posted by Amitine View Post

              >> Issues such as tank mouth oxidation/Headlight beam are minor, as this bike frame and Engine is solid. Period (Or it might be a defective one as Akfara and other have experienced)
              Thanks For ur support brother But still I love my GS
              ABDUL KHADAR
              currently using GS150R
              PULSAR 150 DTSI |CBZ|BAJAJ RTZ 125|RX135G|RX100|KAWASAKI RTZ 100|TVS CHAMP

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              • @Anupdas:yeah,u r right,it should have been downshifting instead of upshifting during throttle blips,I just was thinking something else while posting back then

                @Gagan0123:When u enter corner in higher gear,you know that you need to accelerate while exiting it.But how can you accelerate??? If you are in higher gears,you would be losing revs when you would engage the clutch,so you need to downshift.But while exiting corner if you downshift suddenly with you bike still in lower rev range and high road speed,you will suffer a loss of momentum suddenly,since lower gear needs more torque to turn your wheels,which would result in bike going slower due to torque loss or the bike may slide off too as it would face the inertia of the lower gear......
                So what is done,as we downshift,we try to keep the momentum of the bike going which it needs to have to keep its road speed constant,so we rev up the bike and downshift,as a result the lower gear finds its revs for the correct road speed and the bike does not lose momentum............then carrying forward from that momentum,you can accelerate out in the lower gear and shifting up again.
                This is my sequence of blipping throttle:
                Press Clutch-downshift-rev up-release clutch,now this works best for me....many others have their sequences changed,they rev up first,downshifts later.Hope this explains throttle blipping to you.

                @Anupdas:
                Yes,rear braking amid a corner helps changing direction.........its true,and it simply locks or slows down rear wheel,by allowing more momentum to the front wheel,which then turns in easier changing the direction likewise.A technique,which needs to be mastered........otherwise won't be of any great help.

                Voluntary counter-steering is as easy as night and day.While moving right steering left and while moving left steering right.....what a mad concept
                At slow speeds it would seem unreal,but at higher speeds,if we counter steer,the bike tilts more in the direction of the corner.
                For example,if I am gonna take a left corner,I do enter the corner steering left,but then I realize that I can narrow-in more instead of going wide over the corner,then need is to tilt more,which is done by slowly steering right as the bike is using momentum to go left,the bike narrows in towards the center of the corner,enabling a faster and less wider line.What happens is,as the rider tries to steer away from the direction(action),the inertial reaction of the momentum tries to keep the bike in its predesignated trajectory,as a result the bike tilts more into the corner.

                Now that I have typed in a lot of words..............I hope people reading this would be able to understand it
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                • @ Mach

                  What you said about blipping is absolutely correct. An engine produces maximum power at a range, the art of gear shifting is to maintain the engine revs within that range. By blipping the throttle we are actually matching the revs of engine and transmission and also we are making the engine closer to its power band. Its useless for us, since we most of us rides between 4-5K rpm, but i think the power band of our GS is between 5k-8K. But even so blipping can give smooth gear shifts, smooth power delivery and make engine stress free.

                  About the braking i meant front+rear brake and not just rear, while riding in mud and gravel we can brake rear and steer with the angle created by slide.

                  If you are regular MotoGP viewer who can forget the way Julian Simon corner by sliding rear all the way.
                  Last edited by Anupdas; 12-19-2010, 08:43 AM.
                  Well-trained reflexes are quicker than luck.........

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                  • Originally posted by MACH50 View Post
                    [B]
                    @Gagan0123:When u enter corner in higher gear,you know that you need to accelerate while exiting it.But how can you accelerate??? If you are in higher gears,you would be losing revs when you would engage the clutch,so you need to downshift.But while exiting corner if you downshift suddenly with you bike still in lower rev range and high road speed,you will suffer a loss of momentum suddenly,since lower gear needs more torque to turn your wheels,which would result in bike going slower due to torque loss or the bike may slide off too as it would face the inertia of the lower gear......
                    So what is done,as we downshift,we try to keep the momentum of the bike going which it needs to have to keep its road speed constant,so we rev up the bike and downshift,as a result the lower gear finds its revs for the correct road speed and the bike does not lose momentum............then carrying forward from that momentum,you can accelerate out in the lower gear and shifting up again.
                    This is my sequence of blipping throttle:
                    Press Clutch-downshift-rev up-release clutch,now this works best for me....many others have their sequences changed,they rev up first,downshifts later.Hope this explains throttle blipping to you.
                    Got it buddy, after two days of practicing and experimenting turning in market roads, I've got it now, here's the speed and gear required list I've made for turning efficiently:
                    if speed is
                    0-15: 1st Gear
                    15-40: 2nd Gear
                    40-70: 3rd Gear
                    >70: 4th Gear
                    Didn't went above that in the city streets
                    Though on clean banked turns(like on the NH79 which I use daily for going to college) you don't even need to shift gear if you are riding even at the speed of 110.......
                    Thanks again for explaining blipping Mach......
                    WARNING: Objects seen in the mirror are disappearing rapidly.
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                    • Yepi

                      Hey Gagan (Out of Order ) & Raptor Mach, you read my mind...
                      Yep voluntary here meaning you go against your senses/perception of kya hoga when you corner...

                      My buddy got a CPL recently from Orient fly school, he can makes $$$ in a month, which one would only make after years of study ...Nway the first instruction he received while learning, was Never to trust his senses/feelings, rather to trust the instruments on the cockpit, as they are ALWAYS right

                      It seems pretty odd, when electro-mechanical devices are given priority in situations of life & death....

                      Btw Anupdas chetta , I generally cruise at 60~80 at 6th gear always...Its only for eh..." Testing " purpose that I do Monkey on a Hippo tricks Btw my mileage is always 50+ (Xtra Pre should also take credit)
                      Will be going to my hometown Pala (near Kottayam) this Xmas Yippes
                      & GS would be with cousin for " Reliability Testing "
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                      Hey Rony you signature " Live & Let Live " is highly profound...from where did you get that ???
                      If i am right, I was reading a book by Carlo Carletto and that book about human life (with reason as to why modern trade practices & abortion is wrong) was powerful and those were the very words used...It was powerful then but I have forgotten the context...


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                      • Hi hi , the way you mentioned seemed like you are a speed freak.....

                        Im very happy to see at least one mallu except me. Blitz, Spacetech, AnoopGeorge, Whiteryder you guys listening..... Lets meet up some day when you procure vallyettan (big bro) of your Hippo.
                        Well-trained reflexes are quicker than luck.........

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                        • shifting gears

                          Hi Guys,

                          I noticed a small pbm for a couple of times.. When I am in 4th gear or 5th gear and above 60 kms speed... I find it very hard to go to next gear..when I press the clutch to shift the gear.. the bike kind of jerks forward..i don't hae any pbm with shifting the gear less than 4.5 Rpm. Is this common..or should i be in top gear before I start speeding up in order avoid this??
                          Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by its breathtaking moments.

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                          • Originally posted by clanx View Post
                            When I am in 4th gear or 5th gear and above 60 kms speed... I find it very hard to go to next gear..when I press the clutch to shift the gear.. the bike kind of jerks forward..i don't hae any pbm with shifting the gear less than 4.5 Rpm. Is this common..or should i be in top gear before I start speeding up in order avoid this??
                            When did you change you engine oil? Gear stucking usually happen when engine gets hot or when the oil is about expiry. I have noticed that changing from 5th to 6th takes a little more effort than changing from 2->3->4->5,its more like shifting from 1->2 . R Shifting from 2 to 5 are very smooth.

                            Are you using toe or heel to up shift ? When my bike was new I was using heel shifter but now I use only toe shifter. I hope you close throttle while shifting and open throttle only after releasing clutch. When the engine rpm increases we need to shift quick, pulling clutch, closing throttle, shifting, releasing clutch, opening throttle all these must be done quickly if you are doing following this, there wont be any jerk.

                            If this don't help, try changing engine oil.
                            Last edited by Anupdas; 12-19-2010, 04:22 PM.
                            Well-trained reflexes are quicker than luck.........

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                            • Engine oil was changed Very recently.. I don't have any problem with changing gears in lesser speed.. Only when i am in higher speeds, i feel it is difficult..

                              I have never felt any problems with changing gears in other vehicles at higher speeds. Maybe i am very exited with my new bike, i may have forgot to close throttle (at higher speeds)..Let me try to check it correctly and get back to you..
                              Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by its breathtaking moments.

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                              • Sure, closing of throttle in the sense just go easy on throttle, else you will lose momentum. Also check the clutch has adequate play. BTW whats you ODO reading?
                                Well-trained reflexes are quicker than luck.........

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