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**Guru_007** · 02-10-2011, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by vishnukmd View Post

It is a nice movement.
It is true that they have replaced the oil with 1 ltr of fresh oil. You, as Doubting Thomas who refused to believe the resurrection and asked to put his fingers in to the wounds of Jesus to ascertain it, challenged to drain and show you the measurement of the oil, to which they failed due to the reason that it is impossible to recollect it in a few minutes. More than that, they didn’t take in to account the oil absorbed by the new oil filter.
Knowing nothing about it, you shouted to them, challenged them and used some abusive words and thus spoiled your own dignity and credibility.
You have proudly announced that you have a good knowledge about bikes but how did you forget these basic facts? The reason is that you are looking everything through suspecting eyes and you are over sensitive.
To get convinced, at the time of next replacement of oil, do it yourself by replacing the filter and filling 800 ml of oil and observe the oil level. Afterwards, fill the balance 200 ml of oil and observe it again.
All these are my personal opinions. Please do not expect ‘Amen’ and ‘Hale lu ya’ from every one.

Vishnu....thanks for your insights and thoughts.....

I have ridden enough bikes to understand that all the oil in the engine cannot be drained....and some engine oil remains in the engine....

If you read the Suzuki GS150R user manual carefully it suggests very clearly that...when you start the engine...run the engine for some time...and then switch off the engine and wait for 3 minutes and then check .....then the Oil level should be between the LOW and FULL mark.....
But when I checked in the SVC..I had waited for more than 5 min….it was at the LOW mark....so only I raised the issue....
Also when they drained the oil from the engine....in order to get the maximum oil out of the engine....the guy drained it for about 20 mins...tilting the bike all the possible angles whichever you said.... 20 mins draining is sufficient I suppose..to get enough oil out of the engine....

I had changed the oil of my bike at 400 kms....I had done it myself...and changed when the engine was more warm...as more oil drains out when it is warm....again as per the manual....after changing...I had checked the Oil level and it was near the FULL level mark....

Suzuki people also for the same reason have put in the book that 1000ml should be used....if you drain the whole engine of oil it will be nearly 1200ml....and we have to put 1200 ml of oil back if you are draining the whole engine.....and I have done this many times in my previous bike ....

So as 200 ml of oil mostly remains.....in the engine and that cannot be drained generally....the company tells to put 1000ml only....

so as I said above the engine oil level was near to LOW mark....whatever the Oil filter changed or not...200 ml oil deficiency is more....no oil filter holds 200ml of oil....

And coming to my over sensitivity.....I do not give a DAMN....what any stupid SVC guys thinks about me....I am only and only concerned of welfare of my bike.....
whatever the SVC guy or the manager thinks about me...I really do not care....when I shout at them or anything....

Also when anybody is cheating and to protest against it is a human fundamental right...I do not think I should think about my dignity and credibility when fighting for the right thing.....when it is my fundamental right....

So anyway thanks again for your precious suggestions and insights....

**Guru_007** · 02-10-2011, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by vishnukmd View Post

If every fault is normal, what is the need of the service center? Ask them to close it.

Well the air certainly seems to to be strange as you said...well I do not know what you think about it...i am certainly not exaggerating about the air push to the lid...I have never seen anything....like that before..and I am drving bikes from more than 9 years....
I know there will be some....air block..I have seen it in some bikes..but never to such effect as my GS behaved...really the pressure was so much....that the lid was thrown back....3-4 times.....

**mazaid53** · 02-10-2011, 04:40 PM

@guru: did you park your bike in sun? i mean that can to a certain extent build pressure in the tank, provided breather hole of tank is clogged. i donno about GS but apache comes with a breather pipe which runs from bottom to top....n if i am not wrong new pulsar comes with similar breather arrangement.

@vishnu:do u think you are the only person who knows everything about bikes?? 'cos you reply to people as if they don't know anything...sorry to say but you better watch before you twist the throttle

**MSN1** · 02-10-2011, 04:44 PM

10 ltrs petrol 30 days got 45 kmpl am happy with it as it includes servicing also

**performator** · 02-10-2011, 06:09 PM

hi guys ...
long time

could nt post due to hectic schedule
..
well
atlast i poured castrol power 1 dis time in my gs..
at 10060 kms
the entire character of the bikes nows seems to have changed,,,
the transmission is smoother ,
clutch engagment is silk like
also the engine is less noisy ...
above all its awesum ......

it cost me rs 700 in gaziabad ...

this was the engine oil update ...
and and the bike also feels different than before,, after extensive service .. that included .. tightening of all the bolts and nuts ,, replacement of the rubber coupling of the rear wheel sprocket .." it went hard"
also one day i recieved the call of a suzuki representative from the gurgaon plant ... asking about the service and performance details of the bike...

**Guru_007** · 02-10-2011, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by mazaid53 View Post

@guru: did you park your bike in sun? i mean that can to a certain extent build pressure in the tank, provided breather hole of tank is clogged. i donno about GS but apache comes with a breather pipe which runs from bottom to top....n if i am not wrong new pulsar comes with similar breather arrangement.

@vishnu:do u think you are the only person who knows everything about bikes?? 'cos you reply to people as if they don't know anything...sorry to say but you better watch before you twist the throttle

No bro...I did not park the bike in the sun....I know if we park in sun....the evaporation is more....but I generally do not park the bike in sun...beacuse in my apartment we have an underground parking....
and my office is 15 kms away and that is the only ride in sun....that too at morning 8.30.....and in our office we have excellent underground parking....

That day when I started in the morning I had opened the petrol tank and let air escape....then I came to office....very early at 7.30....
and then I left from office at 9.00 to go to the service centre....it is 8 kms away....once I reached there....when showing it to the SVC I opened the tank .....then by that time the air....had built the pressure....

Bro....I have also rode my friends Apache 180 from more than 5 months...and also P150 for more than 4 years....and both were black colors....and they were parked in sun a lot more than....the GS....

to be frank I really never knew that the air can build up so much pressure....before this I never gave it even a thought......when I had the P150...and apache 180....

**thefalcon** · 02-10-2011, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by Guru_007 View Post

to be frank I really never knew that the air can build up so much pressure....before this I never gave it even a thought......when I had the P150...and apache 180....

Hey, How can a build up of pressure in the fuel tank result in jerking, if there was high pressure in the tank to make the lid open really fast, then petrol would also be pushed into the carb with higher pressure right ? and that would mean smooth running anyway.

For lack of petrol to carb and jerking to occur, it should be the opposite, there should be a vacuum in the tank and the lid should stay shut and not open until you use some force to pull it open.

Anyway, this is definitely not something normal with GS, because in the 3 tanks i've used

and 1.5 years of riding

, i didn't experience this even once.

**venky7** · 02-10-2011, 10:47 PM

30kms on odo on delivery!!!

Hey forgot to ask about this, when i took my GS its ODO already had 30kms on it. I asked the SC guy about this he said since it had to be transported from kandivili they rode the bikes to the dealer!!!
is that OK or should i put up a fight with the dealers?
i can live with it if it does not cause much damage, i mean could a 30km ride ruin the engine? to what extent?

**ATHUL4R** · 02-10-2011, 11:18 PM

you said millage i 45-50 but in other reviews some saying that they getting 60kmpl

**ATHUL4R** · 02-10-2011, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by venky7 View Post

Hey forgot to ask about this, when i took my GS its ODO already had 30kms on it. I asked the SC guy about this he said since it had to be transported from kandivili they rode the bikes to the dealer!!!
is that OK or should i put up a fight with the dealers?
i can live with it if it does not cause much damage, i mean could a 30km ride ruin the engine? to what extent?

mate they need to ride it for the registration and etc etc..

but 1 thing i can tell you that all executives are rash riders....

i know bcozzz most of my friend working in car showroom as delivery and regis drivers. They drive its max speed.

If you noticed any defect or noise then complain

**venky7** · 02-10-2011, 11:39 PM

no actually they don't have to take to the RTO office for reg if its a genuine Suzuki dealer.
i have it at my home and not registered, will get my no. by monday i guess
and i just wanted to know if its a big deal and will affect the engine in a huge manner?

**MSN1** · 02-11-2011, 12:13 AM

@ Venky7

Don't fight man 30 kms on odo is normal
that may include few testing in factory and some driving from dealers godown (yard) to shop and so on

Ask anyone here none of them got bike in 0 or single digit on Odo.

@ athul4r

I said 45 kmpl while its purely local use all 5 to 10 kms short trips and its on 10 ltr petrol where I touched 445 kms on odo to hit reserve. And that too took 30 days which means a lot of evopration and I did serviced the bike once at SVC they cleaned the spark plug and so on.

My normal mileage is close to 55 where in long its close to 70
And on city solo ride it is 62 kmpl

**mazaid53** · 02-11-2011, 01:33 AM

@venki: 30km is normal...they ride it from warehouse to showroom etc. I got my bike with 1km on odo. that's cos this panvel dealer unloads and stores bikes at the same place. but some people have said some amount of rash riding sometimes helps in better running in/ breaking in of engine. don't worry...happy riding

**vishnukmd** · 02-11-2011, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by Guru_007 View Post

So as 200 ml of oil mostly remains.....in the engine and that cannot be drained generally....the company tells to put 1000ml only. So anyway thanks again for your precious suggestions and insights.

Guru,
I can understand your feelings and concern about your bike and I do appreciate it. What I was trying to point out is that shouting or something like that cannot be considered as a good behavior from a young man.
I am sorry to tell you that most of the arguments in this posting are incorrect but I am not trying to explain it. Try to know more about oil draining and replacing and then you will come to know that I was correct. Let us wait.

**vishnukmd** · 02-11-2011, 03:19 AM

[QUOTE=mazaid53;577319 vishnu:do u think you are the only person who knows everything about bikes?? [/QUOTE]

Mazaid,
The only knowledge I have about bike is that I know nothing about it. Whatever I do here is a show off.
In your posting, you have put forward some problems and your guesses as remedies. The first one was this: the handle bar of your bike is shaking at speeds above 30 kmh, and guessed some remedies. You checked the steering cone for looseness for this defect and forgot that if the cone was loose or tight or the bearing was defective or worn out, the result will not be this shaking but something else. Later you agreed that the back wheel alignment was not correct, as suggested by me.

Thirdly, the noise. It is clearly because you are not engaging the gear at correct engine rpm. Here also I am correct and I hope that you will recognize it in near future.
Fourthly the bikes stopping problem. I thought the dirt you mentioned cannot escape the filter in the tank to go to and stick in the carburetor. Besides, I am not bright enough to understand how to drain and look inside and check the carburetor without opening it. So I suggested that it may be an air vent problem and pointed out a remedy which is correct.
Your wisdom and knowledge about bikes are great. I have no doubt about it, especially after reading your posting. Your knowledge is vast. It is higher than the Everest and deeper than the Mariana; I know. I am unable to express my thoughts in words.
But, I cannot understand which of my opinions are incorrect. You have not pointed it out.
Can you please be kind enough do it? May I please twist the throttle?

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