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  • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

    Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
    after 5 months, I am facing issues with the battery again.. myself and @prateek2210 went to Karol Bagh on Saturday evening to check on a headlight assembly for his bike, on our way, it was evening so he turned on the parking lights on my bike. we stopped for signal and he was finding difficulties to neutral the bike. so the bike turned off and then he got the bike to neutral. so the green signal flashes an he cranked the bike and down goes the speedo console and luckily the bike started. i was like WTF.. the next day I took the bike to the service center.. they checked the charging using multimeter.. with ignition off, the battery showed 12V, with the bike turned on, the battery showed the same and when the acceleration given, the battery showed only 12.4V at max.. then he wanted to check the starter relay, they checked and same happened.. initially they said the Starter Plate has to be checked.. they got a new starter plate and before removing the old one, they wanted to check with another battery. they did and that battery seemed to charge better. showed upto 14.16V when acceleration was given.

    so they came to a conclusion that the issue is with the battery, get it changed. I was like it is just 5 months old. is it possible for the battery to go kaput.. they said yes.

    I left from the place without checking the voltage rating with load on (headlights) because what seems to happen when i went to Amaron is, the battery I am using at the moment, when load is applied, it doesn't go beyond 11.4V even when Acceleration is given. then he got a new battery from inside and checked and the battery was showing 12.66V with ignition off, engine on it showed 14V + .. then when he applied load (headlights on) the battery didn't stayed down below 12.5V.. so this guy said it is an issue with the Bike's charging unit..

    what could be the problem here?? @psr sir @Divya Sharan @sibun and all others.. i need suggestions.. is it the issue with the starter coil or the charging unit?? the starter Plate will cost me somewhere near 2000/- i have been facing this issue from the very beginning. I always knew something was wrong with the charging unit.. instead the Service Center guys kept saying everything is fine
    It is simple the battery is at fault. Stator plate is not usually at fault. Even if stator plate is fault why do you need to change the stator plate. Just change of coil will do. But rest assured coils never go weak so soon.

    For battery test go to a dealer which has battery testing machine rather than testing with multimeter go to a battery testing machine, usually Minda dealers have it and if they charge a fees then pay and test. My retailer friend has one.

    What they basically do is that they will connect the battery terminals to the tester and they will flick the switch to self start mode. Then they will press the load switch. There will be three lights 1. good, 2. ok and 3. Bad, if your battery is gone then no matter how much it shows at no load in load testing will show bad.

    Amaron has two batteries one is ALPHA series that came with 5years warranty and other is BETA series that has 4 years warranty. When i replaced my extreme battery i preferred AMARON as my Joy has Amaron and at 4.5 years still running string. My retailer friend said that the battery in my Joy is alpha series but now it has been stopped and the beta series are not of that quality. Instead they have a lots of complain. So i went for SF SONIC which has better quality.

    So new battery doesn't mean a good one as new amarons are prone to problems.

    So get the battery checked on load.

    Else do one thing connect a multimeter and switch on the lights and also indicators. Then crank, if voltage is going below 9 v then battery is gone. Replace it.

    And usually coil plate doesn't need replacement check the rectifier.

    But from your post it is the battery as battery is not holding the charge and making a huge load on electricals which is not letting the voltage increase on acceleration.

    In new battery the battery is good so bike is charging it properly. Have full doubt on battery.

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    [MENTION=47074]Divya[/MENTION]saran- Sad to know about that accident. Hay are very dangerous to vehicles. The idiots strew them on road to separate the grains from Hay as it makes it cheaper as no labour and machinery is used but those fools never thought of danger to vehicles. Not only of skidding but those cars radiator fan can suck them and wind them which will cause damage to fan and also other components. Here also the same thing when i go on state highway and when i pass villages the same hay on road. The trick is to make the bike straight, do not move the handle and also do not touch the brakes, go as straight as possible.

    Anyways what has happened is for good as you have no injury on yourself and as the saying goes:-That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

    For that leaking o-ring get a splendor tappet cap o=ring or shock absorber o-ring and use a little dendrite will never leak from that area again.
    Photo of my joy- http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/854067-post963.html-3.88 lac km cont....Ownership review of my joy- http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/832255-post608.html- slowly updating as and when getting time. HERO HONDA CBZ EXTREME(2011) - 47K KM AND COUNTINGhttp://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tml#post904152-carb tuning guide

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    • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

      Stock battery in my bike came for 4+ years. Battery gets weaker only if the discharge exceeds more than 50% . If your new battery fails in 6 months it means the rr unit is not delivering required current. Its the current that charges battery not the voltage.
      What is the alternator power of zmr. Some soecsmquoted 188w and some quoted 232watt which translates to 13A and 17A respectively. Zmr is a 3 phase alternator. If any of the coils get weak the voltage wont reduce but the power reduce significantly.

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      • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

        Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
        How can you say this? People don't keep falling of their ZMAs and ZMRs all the time. Its always the riders' fault. Also, 3M costs a bomb for doing anything. Getting a new fairing comes cheaper. They quoted 3k for just doing my tank!

        OTOH, time to get a new O ring for my bike. Currently out of stock. Will start hunting in the weekend.

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        Bike dont fall on its own. Ultimately rider is responsible. But zmr and pulsar is more prone to fall due to bulk weight in front. I fell down 4 times in my pulsar . The weight at front during breaking moves like a big mass and hence unable to maneuver clubbed with skinny tires. all my accidents are 40 to 60kmph. After getting home I think how it has happened. Another day I took my friends splendor around 50kmph baffalo turned his path suddenly just few , eter in front of me. Just a mere press of the left leg pedal bike detours and moved away from buffalo but a guy in pulsar 150 fell down. No one in the forum agrees pulsar are prone to fall under panic situations. World is bigger than forum. I have asked some guys who never knew abt forum and most of them crashed under panic situations. We cant put biker at fault always. All my friends got pulsar had a crash. With their splendor and cd100 days none had crash.
        Divya: is that from the left side. I mean from the alternator side. Its a separate chamber and no engine oil should come to this side. Some seals inside would be damaged. Open the left case and access the damage.

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        • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

          Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post
          Asked a couple of people if they change brushes for a fuel pump. Each and everyone said the same thing. That they have no idea how it's done and that it's risky to fiddle with the fuel pump as petrol keeps flowing and even a tiny short could mean fire and what not. So decided to drop plans of repairing the fuel pump. Rite now am searching for a second hand pump. So kinda pissed
          Meanwhile like how psr sir said, i'll get the injector cleaned to remove any blockages.
          Another doubt: when the engine is heated up, when it's idling i here the tappet sound and also other sounds that totally change the engine note. I sometimes get a doubt if it's really the fuel pump or something else. Sorry for the noob question but will tappets cause problems like how am facing(engine turn off when heated) apart from the tik-tik noise?
          Abhi where u r located. If the pump is non submersible type carbon brushes can be replaced. Pull out the brush take it to the electronic shop you will get new brush. Its a pity honda used carbon brush prone to fail. Brushless motor virtually trouble free. Can youpost the oic of the fuel pump

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          • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

            Originally posted by vijaycool View Post
            Bike dont fall on its own. Ultimately rider is responsible. But zmr and pulsar is more prone to fall due to bulk weight in front. I fell down 4 times in my pulsar . The weight at front during breaking moves like a big mass and hence unable to maneuver clubbed with skinny tires. all my accidents are 40 to 60kmph. After getting home I think how it has happened. Another day I took my friends splendor around 50kmph baffalo turned his path suddenly just few , eter in front of me. Just a mere press of the left leg pedal bike detours and moved away from buffalo but a guy in pulsar 150 fell down. No one in the forum agrees pulsar are prone to fall under panic situations. World is bigger than forum. I have asked some guys who never knew abt forum and most of them crashed under panic situations. We cant put biker at fault always. All my friends got pulsar had a crash. With their splendor and cd100 days none had crash.
            Divya: is that from the left side. I mean from the alternator side. Its a separate chamber and no engine oil should come to this side. Some seals inside would be damaged. Open the left case and access the damage.

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            Yes, I showed it to my mech. He said that the O ring for the case is gone.
            Regarding front bias, yes our bikes are front heavy, and it does act against us at times. But, in case of ANY accident, the rider is at fault (+ other factors).

            Moreover, we use only front brakes for braking. Rear only complements. This anyways brings the weight on the front tire and its when the suspension comes into play.
            Since a Splendor doesn't accelerate fast, it brakes with much ease. Try panic braking at 80 kmph and see if you fall or not.

            Most people jam and lock their disc brakes and then blame tires. The world is bigger, but the forum is wiser where people actually talk sense and technical aspects. The correct aspects!
            Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
            Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

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            ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
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            • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

              @Divya Sharan & @rreneav1987

              How far did you travel with the snorkel removed.. coz am worried if I could go on long journeys without being worried about over heating..
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              • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                Originally posted by Raja Saiyan View Post
                @Divya Sharan & @rreneav1987

                How far did you travel with the snorkel removed.. coz am worried if I could go on long journeys without being worried about over heating..
                I did over 5k kms as a whole and completed a 1000 km trip without the snorkel on my bike. - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/2...-1000-kms.html
                Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

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                Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                  Heavier bikes are stable at high speeds whereas lighter bikes are good till 60kmph. Thats y splendor are more agile at lower speed and bigger bikes needs a huge effort at lower speed. At city speeds our bikes crashes not because of acceleration but because of inertia

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                  • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                    Originally posted by vijaycool View Post
                    Heavier bikes are stable at high speeds whereas lighter bikes are good till 60kmph. Thats y splendor are more agile at lower speed and bigger bikes needs a huge effort at lower speed. At city speeds our bikes crashes not because of acceleration but because of inertia

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                    Can you please quote the person who this is for? I am not able to understand why you posted this without the quotes.

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                    Reneav
                    [MENTION=50133]Raja Saiyan[/MENTION].. I didn't find any heating issues with the snorkel on and I completed almost 1000kms with it and it was in city riding conditions. in city, the engine gets more stress and heats up.. even in such cases, the engine was normal without heat. so i don't think there is anything to worry about..
                    Splendor - 2k to 2006
                    Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
                    P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
                    Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
                    ZMR - 2010 to Forever
                    RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
                    Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
                    RayZ - 2015 til now
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                    • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                      Getting rid of snorkel is ok , should not be any problems
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                      • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                        Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
                        Can you please quote the person who this is for? I am not able to understand why you posted this without the quotes.
                        It is for me.

                        Originally posted by vijaycool View Post
                        Heavier bikes are stable at high speeds whereas lighter bikes are good till 60kmph. Thats y splendor are more agile at lower speed and bigger bikes needs a huge effort at lower speed. At city speeds our bikes crashes not because of acceleration but because of inertia

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                        Agree. But I don't face difficulty anymore an my bike maneuvering around even at 20 clicks. Maybe it's about getting used to the size and weight. In fact, I'm so used to it that when I rode my dad's Splendor back home, I felt very uneasy for the first 10 odd min.
                        Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                        Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                        Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                        Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                        ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                        P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                        • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                          Originally posted by vijaycool View Post
                          Abhi where u r located. If the pump is non submersible type carbon brushes can be replaced. Pull out the brush take it to the electronic shop you will get new brush. Its a pity honda used carbon brush prone to fail. Brushless motor virtually trouble free. Can youpost the oic of the fuel pump

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                          I am in Bangalore. Sorry bro I don't have pics cause the pump is not yet removed. It is fine for short distance commuting which I do. But problem is for long distance. Say for even about 30-40kms, when engine heats up, it switches off.
                          And all electricians are telling the same. That they have no idea how to replace the brushes.

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                          • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                            Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post
                            I am in Bangalore. Sorry bro I don't have pics cause the pump is not yet removed. It is fine for short distance commuting which I do. But problem is for long distance. Say for even about 30-40kms, when engine heats up, it switches off.
                            And all electricians are telling the same. That they have no idea how to replace the brushes.

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                            @abhi. My suggestion would be just go ahead and try to get the Fuel Pump removed and explore it after your exams. i am sure its not going to be a difficult task. just click pics every time you remove a part from it so that you know what goes where (just in case) you will find the carbon brush which might look like springs having small square heads on the end. like the one in the below pic.. just take it to any electrician store or bike spare parts store (big one) and ask them for it. bring it and get it fixed yourself. in case you forget the place where the parts go. check the pics you clicked while opening the pump.

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                            All the best..

                            if it works, it is good.. you just saved atleast 10K/- if it doesn't work, you are thinking about getting the pump changed. do it if this fails.

                            Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                            It is for me.
                            I just mentioned because I had no idea why he posted it would be better if the post he is replying to was quoted Just a suggestion so that others don't get confused.. I got confused. so I just wanted to let him know
                            Splendor - 2k to 2006
                            Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
                            P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
                            Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
                            ZMR - 2010 to Forever
                            RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
                            Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
                            RayZ - 2015 til now
                            Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


                            Delhi to Narkanda
                            Delhi to Coimbatore
                            Delhi to Nepal

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                            • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                              Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
                              @abhi. My suggestion would be just go ahead and try to get the Fuel Pump removed and explore it after your exams. i am sure its not going to be a difficult task. just click pics every time you remove a part from it so that you know what goes where (just in case) you will find the carbon brush which might look like springs having small square heads on the end. like the one in the below pic.. just take it to any electrician store or bike spare parts store (big one) and ask them for it. bring it and get it fixed yourself. in case you forget the place where the parts go. check the pics you clicked while opening the pump.

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                              All the best..

                              if it works, it is good.. you just saved atleast 10K/- if it doesn't work, you are thinking about getting the pump changed. do it if this fails.



                              I just mentioned because I had no idea why he posted it would be better if the post he is replying to was quoted Just a suggestion so that others don't get confused.. I got confused. so I just wanted to let him know
                              I don't even know how to remove the tank off the bike. Lol! Scared to venture too deep like opening up a pump. My mechanic was not able to open up the pump of another zmr which came for service and ended up spoiling it. So ill just wait patiently til I find someone who can do this for me. Else if [MENTION=47074]Divya[/MENTION] bhai is free, we both could explore into it together on a weekend lol! What say divya bhai? Else ill have to look for a new one. No other option.

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                              • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                                Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post
                                I don't even know how to remove the tank off the bike. Lol! Scared to venture too deep like opening up a pump. My mechanic was not able to open up the pump of another zmr which came for service and ended up spoiling it. So ill just wait patiently til I find someone who can do this for me. Else if @Divya bhai is free, we both could explore into it together on a weekend lol! What say divya bhai? Else ill have to look for a new one. No other option.

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                                If I was in such situation, I will definitely play around with it. besides. the Fuel Pump is not inside the tank, it is below the tank. when you remove the tube to the inlet of fuel pump from the tank, ensure either you don't have fuel or you have something to hold the tube tightly so that the fuel doesn't come off spilling. I would suggest remove the fuel from the tank and then proceed..

                                I don't think the Mechanics have common sense. just give it a try. you are not gonna lose anything by trying, are you? if you succeed, you have learnt a DIY and you can post it here on xBhp to help others
                                Splendor - 2k to 2006
                                Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
                                P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
                                Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
                                ZMR - 2010 to Forever
                                RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
                                Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
                                RayZ - 2015 til now
                                Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


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