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**acs1207** · 08-21-2011, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

Had my first major issue with the ZMA in the morning........................................... ...again engine switched off....knowing the basics helped me solve the problem...

Originally posted by psr View Post

The problem was loose contact with CDI connector,delivering weak ignition voltage..............................

Now bike is smooth as silk,and starts with ease...and revs much better
Guess this is because for the past two days I had been riding the bike in heavy rain,and moisture condensation had led to this problem..

Originally posted by psr View Post

Because of my basics being correct ,solved the problem in 5 minutes...Thank God for the Knowledge..

I'd thought about loose contact at the spark plug . With someone like you it had to be something other than fuel supply issue or air supply issue !!

Originally posted by Vishakh View Post

scraped her knees and one elbow thank god nothing serious happened her head hit the road

nothing happened to the bike or me

Glad to know she's OK . The problem is the ladies have to sit sideways .

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

KariZma is not good for ladies i guess,very high rear seat...

May I disagree here . .? I'm just below 6' and my wifey tops below my shoulder (to be frank I don't know her height . . she won't tell me ! !). She normally sits sideways , but occasionally normally . Sitting won't be an issue - may be climbing will .

Guys, seen this in google images

Since the vehicle comes balanced with 1 silencer from the company , won't it be unbalanced when additional weight is added to one side ?

Originally posted by d@rk nemesis View Post

Hey guys my speedometer and odometer has suddenly stopped working completely.First RPM meter stopped working suddenly but then it started working again and now this.What might be the probelm.Shown to some mech,they are saying its electrical problem.

Is there any way to check or will i have to take it to SC.

Is it a complete black out or is anything electrical working on the console ?

Originally posted by vineeth areth View Post

@ psr, Acs and others, at last ma wait is over. got the bike fixed and this time with ma amron 9ah battery, i plonked another 7ah one

. @psr, will call you in the evening. got a small cut on ma finger during the fixing so typing is an issue now

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(Some things were discussed 'tween vineeth & I over phone - replying to those points too..)
Since you cut it with a metal sheet you better have TT injection taken . Pls upload pics of the battery connection . Only thing to take note of is that it'll take time to come back to full charge once drained significantly . @ psr - won't connecting a switch to the + of the second battery help in this case ? Then if voltage gets low the 2nd battery can be switched off and then the 9ah will be charged quickly . Then the switch can be turned on .

Along with changing ur exhaust to stock from FFE , have you downsized the jets ? Also , did you get an answer to "does the starter have a relay" ?

**Jdsouza81** · 08-21-2011, 06:42 PM

Crash guard

Originally posted by prashk View Post

Without removing the engine cowl?! That's a first, we all need the details please.

Did you have to do any modification to the crash guard? And which crash guard is that? how/where/what exactly was it fitted on to? A close up picture of the bolted area would be great.

sorry for the late reply .... the crash guard is of honda Stunner with the engine cowel ... no modifications were required except had to cut the U clamp slightly as it was touching the front mudguard .... check the pics in the link below

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**psr** · 08-21-2011, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by acs1207 View Post

I'd thought about loose contact at the spark plug . With someone like you it had to be something other than fuel supply issue or air supply issue !!

With me problems have to be something out of the ordinary and weird..and it was..

(Some things were discussed 'tween vineeth & I over phone - replying to those points too..)
Since you cut it with a metal sheet you better have TT injection taken .
Pls upload pics of the battery connection . Only thing to take note of is that it'll take time to come back to full charge once drained significantly . @ psr - won't connecting a switch to the + of the second battery help in this case ? Then if voltage gets low the 2nd battery can be switched off and then the 9ah will be charged quickly . Then the switch can be turned on .

This is no way to connect two dissimilar batteries..it will only cause problems later on.....my personal opinion is...mod not advisable....updated Vineeth on it.

Along with changing ur exhaust to stock from FFE , have you downsized the jets ? Also , did you get an answer to "does the starter have a relay"

Moving from FFE to conventional exhaust does not require jet change, and yes in ZMA there is a starter relay for the starter motor.
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**ashwinprakas** · 08-21-2011, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Jdsouza81 View Post

sorry for the late reply .... the crash guard is of honda Stunner with the engine cowel ... no modifications were required except had to cut the U clamp slightly as it was touching the front mudguard .... check the pics in the link below

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sred...iwE&feat=email

Thanks a TON bro, for the pics.

And have to say, It fits AMAZINGLY!!!

And can you mark the area where you had to cut the "U" clamp???? Cause am abit confused on which part'l touch the front mud guard

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And does the Uclamp come along with the crash guard or should we get it seperate???

**Jdsouza81** · 08-21-2011, 09:07 PM

^^^ the U clamp came with the carsh guard.. the crash guard cost me around Rs. 450/- .. dont remember the exact amount.. its been quite a while now... have marked the spot where the clamps had to be cut.. not a big modicfication.. just that the clamp was longer than required.

**acs1207** · 08-21-2011, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

Originally Posted by acs1207
Only thing to take note of is that it'll take time to come back to full charge once drained significantly . @ psr - won't connecting a switch to the + of the second battery help in this case ? Then if voltage gets low the 2nd battery can be switched off and then the 9ah will be charged quickly . Then the switch can be turned on .

This is no way to connect two dissimilar batteries..it will only cause problems later on.....my personal opinion is...mod not advisable....updated Vineeth on it.

Along with changing ur exhaust to stock from FFE , have you downsized the jets ? Also , did you get an answer to "does the starter have a relay"

Moving from FFE to conventional exhaust does not require jet change, and yes in ZMA there is a starter relay for the starter motor.
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I'm not sure about the dissimilar batteries .Since both are 12v batteries there won't be a complaint on that front . The issue that might come up -as per my view - is that the alternator might not be able to supply enough current to charge both the batteries ( the combined ah being 16 ) but I'm not sure about it since trickle charging involves - or so I think,correct me if wrong

- charging at lower amperage . Since ZMA R battery is originally 7ah , it means we'll be getting only less than half the intended current .(would RR of RE be usable here - the battery used is 14ah I think) But drain would not be that significant when using horns , light etc and wouldn't hurt the batteries much .If that is not the case I think weakening of battery cells in the future might be there .
BTW is there night charging coils in ZMA R ? I'm asking b'cos in the diagram, there are three leads and a connector coming from the stator assy (marked in red ) . If there are , then can we connect the night charge coils to regular coils to add to the current ?

If starter relay becomes dirty (carbon deposit or something) then won't it affect the starter even if the battery is good ?

**abhijeet080808** · 08-21-2011, 09:35 PM

^^ The problem with dissimilar batteries lies not in the rated voltage but in their capacity. A higher capacity battery (say 9Ah) will charge slowly - the voltage across the terminals will rise slowly. The lower capacity battery (say 7Ah) will tend to charge quickly. So, its voltage will rise quickly. This means that this battery will also in turn charge the higher capacity battery until their voltages equalize. This wears out the lower capacity battery drastically.

Also, on discharge, the higher capacity battery will drop voltage much slowly compared to the lower capacity one. Now the reverse happens - the higher capacity battery tries to charge the lower capacity one, till their voltage equalizes.

(This is why its not recommended to mix a new battery with a old battery in a device like TV remote control.)

Moral of the story - Both the batteries wear out trying to charge each other depending on the scenario.

Solution - Use only similar rated capacity batteries in parallel. Even this is not really recommended, since no 2 batteries have the exact same capacity - even the same model.

**Aneesh@4GHz** · 08-21-2011, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

When i removed the rear fairings,I found that the tail light is shaking very well and is the reason for the rear fairing breaks in my bike.Or it my bikes prob?can any one make it sure?

PSR Sir,What about this? Can any one help me?

**psr** · 08-21-2011, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by acs1207 View Post

I'm not sure about the dissimilar batteries .Since both are 12v batteries there won't be a complaint on that front .
But they are of different Ampere capacity...

BTW is there night charging coils in ZMA R ? I'm asking b'cos in the diagram, there are three leads and a connector coming from the stator assy (marked in red ) .
ZMA has Three phase stator generator and is rated at 188 watts at 12 V which is approximately 15 Amperes.The three Yellow wires are the three phase connections from the stator, and the other connector carries the pulse coil voltage to CDI for proper Spark Plug firing
If starter relay becomes dirty (carbon deposit or something) then won't it affect the starter even if the battery is good ?
The Starter relay in ZMA is sealed.

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Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post

^^ The problem with dissimilar batteries lies not in the rated voltage but in their capacity. A higher capacity battery (say 9Ah) will charge slowly - the voltage across the terminals will rise slowly. The lower capacity battery (say 7Ah) will tend to charge quickly. So, its voltage will rise quickly. This means that this battery will also in turn charge the higher capacity battery until their voltages equalize. This wears out the lower capacity battery drastically.

Also, on discharge, the higher capacity battery will drop voltage much slowly compared to the lower capacity one. Now the reverse happens - the higher capacity battery tries to charge the lower capacity one, till their voltage equalizes.

(This is why its not recommended to mix a new battery with a old battery in a device like TV remote control.)

Moral of the story - Both the batteries wear out trying to charge each other depending on the scenario.

Solution - Use only similar rated capacity batteries in parallel. Even this is not really recommended, since no 2 batteries have the exact same capacity - even the same model.

Absolutely correct in every aspect.

**psr** · 08-21-2011, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

PSR Sir,What about this? Can any one help me?

The bracket shown is the tail light fixing bracket...if it is not fitted firmly the tail light assembly will vibrate and will get damaged over time.Bolt 16 is the fixing one, and rubber bush 11 along with protruding bracket tip will go into a recess in the RED tail light cover top.
Two nuts marked " 15 " one in left and one in right along with spacers,and washers fix the full tail light reflector assembly to the bracket

**Aneesh@4GHz** · 08-21-2011, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

The bracket shown is the tail light fixing bracket...if it is not fitted firmly the tail light assembly will vibrate and will get damaged over time.Bolt 16 is the fixing one, and rubber bush 11 along with protruding bracket tip will go into a recess in the RED tail light cover top.
Two nuts marked " 15 " one in left and one in right along with spacers,and washers fix the full tail light reflector assembly to the bracket

Sir i mean in my bike,the marked part is not staying solid,its shaking and moving even after tighting the bolt.

**ashwinprakas** · 08-21-2011, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Jdsouza81 View Post

^^^ the U clamp came with the carsh guard.. the crash guard cost me around Rs. 450/- .. dont remember the exact amount.. its been quite a while now... have marked the spot where the clamps had to be cut.. not a big modicfication.. just that the clamp was longer than required.

Bro, By cutting clamp, are you reffering to cutting the nuts short???

**asif** · 08-21-2011, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

Bro, By cutting clamp, are you reffering to cutting the nuts short???

"Cutting the Nuts"

Not cutting the nuts but the "U" clamps that came with the crash guard is what he meant. Even otherwise i guess it should not be much of a problem

**acs1207** · 08-21-2011, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post

^^ The problem with dissimilar batteries lies not in the rated voltage but in their capacity. A higher capacity battery (say 9Ah) will charge slowly - the voltage across the terminals will rise slowly. The lower capacity battery (say 7Ah) will tend to charge quickly. So, its voltage will rise quickly. This means that this battery will also in turn charge the higher capacity battery until their voltages equalize. This wears out the lower capacity battery drastically.
Also, on discharge, the higher capacity battery will drop voltage much slowly compared to the lower capacity one. Now the reverse happens - the higher capacity battery tries to charge the lower capacity one, till their voltage equalizes.
(This is why its not recommended to mix a new battery with a old battery in a device like TV remote control.)
Moral of the story - Both the batteries wear out trying to charge each other depending on the scenario.
Solution - Use only similar rated capacity batteries in parallel. Even this is not really recommended, since no 2 batteries have the exact same capacity - even the same model.

Originally posted by psr View Post

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Absolutely correct in every aspect.

Wellll I think I'm starting to get the point ...

**psr** · 08-22-2011, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

Sir i mean in my bike,the marked part is not staying solid,its shaking and moving even after tighting the bolt.

Then the stay bolt is kaput...will try to give you a better explanation & solution to-morrow.

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